Cthulhunicron

pleasehello said:

Cthulhunicron said:

act on instinct said:

The fact that we even need to dive this deep for explanations through art books and lore really bums me out.

Me too. I was really hoping for better storytelling than this.

It’s not really important to the story though. Would the movies really be better if they told us in excruciating detail how he found the Jedi Temple? Expanded materials are the perfect place for those kind of explanations in my opinion.

One line of dialogue is excruciating detail?

I need to rewatch this one, but I’m beginning to feel this is the best of the sequel trilogy. I have issues with the film, but I don’t hate it.

act on instinct said:

The fact that we even need to dive this deep for explanations through art books and lore really bums me out.

Me too. I was really hoping for better storytelling than this.

Z6PO said:

RogueLeader said:

Z6PO said:

Did Rey flew Luke’s X-Wing without an astromech droid?

Yes, but I’m assuming the Wayfinder may have fulfilled that need. Luke also reached Ach-To without an astromech, so either that X-Wing doesn’t need an astromech or maybe both Rey and Luke used the Force to guide them. Or a mix of both.

Luke used a Jedi compass to find Ach-To. As explained page 53 of The Rise of Skywalker Visual Dictionary. And the story of how Luke got hold of this Jedi compass is told in one chapter of the solo campaign of the video game Star Wars Battlefront II.

But why and how Luke drew a map to Ach-To, hid one part of this map in R2-D2 and the second part in a USB drive kept by who-was-this-guy hiding on Jakku?

There’s another thread where we’re discussing this exact topic. According to Abrams, R2 inadvertently downloaded the Ach To map from the first Death Star. Lor San Tekka was a member of the Church of the Force, so I’m guessing their map fragment was something they had in their possession. He’s also supposed to be a former explorer, so maybe he found it in a Jedi temple years ago. The map is supposed to be a map to Ach To that was created long ago, it’s not something that Luke made. None of this is made clear in the films.

Yeah, a lot of the 3PO humor didn’t work for me.

Yeah, I can buy that a lot of space is uncharted. It’s just weird that somehow the republic in 35 years, never came across the map in any imperial computers. I’m assuming they would have raided various ships and bases in that time. Unless the only copy of the file was on the Death Star. I’d also like to know how Luke found a complete version of the map.

Edit: Nevermind, according to a post in the TROS discussion thread, Battlefront II explains that Luke found a Jedi compass and used that to find Ach To.

NeverarGreat said:

But even that doesn’t explain why the Imperial map from 40 years ago has a hole in it with a dotted line leading to the hole which perfectly fits around the piece reconstructed by Tekka, which also has that line continued to Luke’s island. Like, that map from the Empire must have been specifically intended to find that one Jedi temple, implying that Palps was working on finding it even after he assumed all the Jedi were gone, and it somehow got included in the installation CDs for the Death Star, and it would have been accidentally unrestricted information because even a floorplan of the Death Star detention block is unavailable to R2. And all of this implies that the Rebellion/New Republic/Resistance didn’t have this intel from the Empire even after conquering said Empire, nor did they have even a scrap of data from this region of space which would allow them to triangulate the rest of the map’s position. At this point I’m worried that the Resistance doesn’t know how a telescope works.

I’m sorry. I started thinking about it again.

I remember bringing up those exact points 4 years ago and people on this forum told me I was overthinking it.

Overall, I was very disappointed with TROS, but I did enjoy McDiarmid’s performance, and the makeup was great. Unfortunately he’s way overpowered this time.

I remember posting about how this didn’t make sense way back in 2015. I finally found an interview where Abrams said that when BB8 first meets R2, he asked him if he knows anything about Luke’s whereabouts. R2 heard the question while in low power mode, and slowly wakes up over the course of the movie. Upon fully booting up, he searches his databanks and finds the map, which he unknowingly downloaded when he copied a bunch of files from the Death Stars computers.

Apparently that was Abrams’s intention and there’s absolutely nothing on screen that communicates any of it to the audience.

They should have David Lynch direct the next Star Wars. Let’s get weird.

I’m still trying to wrap my brain around Palpatine’s resurrection.

My current theory is Exogol Palpatine is the same one from the prequels. ROTJ was a clone being controlled like a puppet, a la Snoke. This would explain why he’s so decrepit and withered in TROS, and why he still has the face scars after being regenerated. My thinking is that Palpatine cannot simply clone a new body and transfer his soul into it, he can only control them remotely using the Force. This explains why he needs Rey. Eventually his body will grow so old (and possibly withered by excessive dark side energies) that even his life support equipment will no longer sustain him.

What do you think?

Z6PO said:

Did Rey flew Luke’s X-Wing without an astromech droid?

Not only that, she flew it without replacing all the parts that were rusted and corroded by being submerged in the ocean for several years.

DominicCobb said:

Maybe people could, I don’t know, not be dicks? I didn’t like the film very much but you don’t see me going around being an ass about it (nor many of the other people that felt the same way).

Same.

Hal 9000 said:

Maybe I’m old school, but I find it impossible to get too excited about much beyond the Skywalker Saga.

I still frame it the old way: things that have “Episode __” in the title are ‘Star Wars’ proper, and everything else is Expanded Universe and may or may not be steamrolled at any time. That’s remained true in recent years despite official denial. Fight me.

So now that the grande finale of Episode IX has graced us, all there is to do with the rest of time is generate endless amounts of EU material, the equivalent of a mountain of paperback novels despite the form factor or cost to produce.

Worlds serve stories, and once the story is told the world goes away. To set something else in the same world is merely to craft a similar world for a new story.

I have no idea how they can make more Star Wars movies. I guess they can tell smaller stories set in the universe and break out of the episode format, which like you said, is the equivalent of cinematic EU. But even then, what can they do? Introduce new villains that are unrelated to the empire or the dark side? It just seems no matter what they do, it won’t feel like Star Wars. It’s not that I want to see them do the same things over and over again, I just feel like Star Wars has a limit on how many movies you can squeeze out of it. They’ve already gone as big as you can possibly go. It’s not even like this is unique to Star Wars. I think it’s only really possible to make two good Terminator movies, for example.

Hal 9000 said:

I’ve always thought that was dumb. Of all the EU to cull from…

I just read the Dark Empire comic for the first time today. Yeah, it’s pretty terrible. At least there’s no slimy naked Palpatine in this movie.

My revised list

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Last Jedi
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Rise of Skywalker
Solo
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace

DominicCobb said:

SW for me was always more than just simple popcorn movies. The fact that that’s what we ended up with is kinda sad (especially because you can see hints of something more in TROS, that are ultimately squandered).

I agree completely.

The more I think about this movie, the less sense it makes. The Sith dagger is one of the most baffling plot points for me. So Ochi wrote the location of the wayfinder on the dagger, and also designed the dagger to resemble the skyline of the Death Star wreckage? Why? As far as I can tell, nothing in the movie explains this.

Palpatine’s plan is confusing too. First he wants Rey dead, but later he wants to transfer his soul into her body. Rey eventually kills him, but his spirit doesn’t possess her body.

Also, how did Palpatine raise such a huge fleet all on his own on Exegol? Who’s piloting all those ships? Who is training all the Sith troopers? Who is developing all the new weapons? I can buy the empire or the first order having a massive military because they’re ruling over many different planets. It’s a bit tougher to swallow one planet raising an army substantially larger than the first order.

Wow. This was bad. This movie is a goddamn mess. It’s given me a whole new appreciation for the Last Jedi.

Harmy said:

Mandalorian is “out there” in 4K HDR, so the drm has clearly been broken on day one, so I think for those of us who won’t get D+ until 2021 (and believe me, if I could get it now, I’d be the first in line), someone will put the new masters out as well.

4K streaming? Man, no wonder my laptop kept lagging trying to play it.

Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Clone Wars series
Rebels
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
The Last Jedi
Solo
Attack of the Clones
Phantom Menace

LOL I didn’t even realize we were doing a pool

Yeah, I doubt this will make a billion dollars. Maybe $850 million or something like that.

This is a minor nitpick, but it seems odd that Mando uses carbonite to transport his prisoners when they established in ESB that freezing people in carbonite is likely to kill them. Is it common knowledge that Han Solo was frozen this way?

Beyond that, it was pretty good.

Per starwarsviscomp, Jabba was redone.