Collipso

NeverarGreat said:

Collipso said:

Is there a repeated Poe shot? The one that he looks over to the hole in the oscillator. Is that the same one used for when he’s looking at the Starkiller’s laser?

I think so.

Originally I had used the shot of the female pilot reacting to an explosion (which I think fits better), but I suppose it was too obvious a repeat if the original scene was going to be played verbatim. I think some editing could be done to put her reaction back in the Starkiller firing and simply remove that reaction from the original scene.

I think this would be good, IMO the Poe shot is too noticeable. Sorry it took me so long to say it though, I guess I was just so immersed in TLJ that only now that I decided to watch TFA and saw it again I remembered of saying it.

INVAR said:

darthrush said:

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I think one of the subtext highlights of the film for me was to showcase the effect the downtrodden suffered by those getting rich off of funding conflict in the galaxy. The tinder for what may come in terms of rebellion is only showcased on Canto Bight. While I agree the fathier chase is unnecessary, the stuff Rose talks about in regards to slaves serving the entertainments of the rich is important in terms of setting the stage for what is left of the Resistance to spark a fire among all of the downtrodden, which is where a true rebellion can be reborn.

I would think excising that damages the subtext of where Episode 9 might really take off.

I think Luke’s speech about hope to Kylo at the end of the movie serves this purpose just fine, without throwing the hope theme at your face.

Edit: I think that they find out about the rich people selling weapons to both sides inside the ship, so it would be present in darthrush’s edit.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I like this. Was BB8 in the walker the only stupid BB8 moment? I remember leaving the theater thinking they made him very ridiculous in this movie, and the ATST scene was definitely one of the reasons. Are there other scenes like this? I seem to remember more than one, I just don’t remember what was it.

Your correct that there are more similar moments. BB-8 having coins put in him is one which will be cut in my eventual edit. As well as him shooting coins at a guard. All of that is gone when you jump from DJ leaving the prison, to the ship leaving the planet. This also means you don’t see BB-8 popping up out of the ship that rescues Finn and Rose. Those are really all the ones I can think of in addition to cutting EVERYTHING else of BB-8 in the ATST. Would it work to cut the black/first order version of BB-8 from the film as well. I hated any of the goofy droid stuff.

EDIT: And for the phasma fight I would cut him saying “hey there” or something like that and hitting her on the head. It would be quick and out of nowhere (his knockout hit) so that the audience feels how Phasma would. I also am considering whether it’s best to keep the “Rebel scum” exchange.

So apparently your TLJ will be my go-to, just like your RotJ. 😃 hated the First Order droid as well, reminded me of one of the worst Star Wars: The Clone Wars episodes, in which R2 fights dark R2

If Luke went to the island to die why was there a map?

darthrush said:

After seeing it for a second time, I am set on the fact that I will be doing a pretty comprehensive edit of this. The stuff I like in this film, hits on ALL cylinders for me personally. But the Canto Bight stuff just made me so angry this time around and the runtime of the movie did wear on me. What the Last Jedi needs is a tight and focused edit.

My full idea for the ENTIRE finn/rose subplot is the following:

1. Finn says that they surely cannot get past the shield. Poe raises his head as if he has an idea. We get the Maz scene. I really don’t have any problem with this scene like others. Maz is shown to always be caught up in something. It further connects both films and we get a great joke for me where she kind of gets sexual and just makes everyone uncomfortable. This stays for logic sense and for my appreciation of it.
2. Then we have our first scene of Canto Bight. I would cut down as many weird shots of aliens, champagne, and jokes as possible. Sadly, the public property joke has to stay since that’s the reason they get put in a cell. I also would cut the entire part where Rose talks about the fathiers. Overall, just making this scene as quick as possible.
3. Once they’re in the cell, cut the joke about not needing DJ’s help. Like RogueLeader suggested, we cut from DJ walking out the cell and them following, to the ship leaving. You would flip the shot of Finn and Rose leaving the cell to show that they went the same direction and axe her line of “This way” so it feels less like they went on some detour and rather that they followed him. This would get rid of the entire fathier chase sequence.
4. We next see them on their way back. This scene stays intact.
5. After this basically everything would be the same except cutting the ironing joke and cutting BB-8 in the ATST. Also I would cut them riding on top of the ATST with BB-8 and after Finn defeats Phasma, it would cut to their ship escaping the burning hangar bay.

Hopefully this would make for a much shorter subplot. If there are any ideas to make an even more radically cut down version of this that sacrifices less screen time then I would love to hear it out. Anything to mitigate this part of the film.

I like this. Was BB8 in the walker the only stupid BB8 moment? I remember leaving the theater thinking they made him very ridiculous in this movie, and the ATST scene was definitely one of the reasons. Are there other scenes like this? I seem to remember more than one, I just don’t remember what was it.

Is there a repeated Poe shot? The one that he looks over to the hole in the oscillator. Is that the same one used for when he’s looking at the Starkiller’s laser?

I felt like we didn’t have as many new themes in this one as in TFA, but that the themes introduced in it were used infinitely better in TLJ.

Did this movie have a “animal rights” sort of theme or was it just me? At the casino planet, and Chewie eating meat scene…

SilverWook said:

I like that Artoo gave Luke a bit of a beep lashing, (and Luke cautioning him not to curse) and finally guilt tripped him with the old Leia hologram. Was that the original footage or a recreation?

I think it was a recreation, I could be wrong though.

TV’s Frink said:

Collipso said:

I think what ultimately led me to not love the sequel trilogy so far is how unrealistic Rey’s character is. I agree that Luke didn’t get much training, but what the hell is this? The girl was pulling off mind tricks out of nowhere, she has mastered several force abilities that took years for Luke to master, and she has only had 3 lessons from Luke and that’s it. Rey wasn’t even bested by anyone yet (and I don’t think she will), and we’re two movies in. She was fooled by Snoke/Kylo, yes, but this film didn’t feel like her low point, and it probably was. I can see that she was challenged, but she didn’t lose. The rest of the good guys did, but she didn’t. Ughh
If someone disagrees and is able to give me logical reasons for all of this, please do.

To turn Han’s line on it’s head, maybe because that’s the way the force works?

Maybe the force is different in this girl than in the the boy we saw in the OT.

Or maybe Ren was lying and her parents weren’t nobodies. Although I kind of hope he was telling the truth. I don’t mind all the various family ties in the OT but it would still be refreshing for Rey to not be related to anyone in the story.

I agree, it was really satisfactory to me when Ren said that her parents were nobodies. And yeah, maybe the force is just different with her, but I don’t know, not sure if I’m convinced. But the “she’s a Skywalker” “she’s a Palpatine” explanations don’t convince me either, and now they’re not even a possibility. Apparently she couldn’t have been mind wiped either

MalàStrana said:

moviefreakedmind said:

There was nothing as bad as Chewbacca’s Tarzan yell in Rogue One.

I don’t like it either (I’ve removed it from the ROTJ edit I watch) but in R1 you’ve got the “Oh, is that your feet ?” that I find as bad for example. K on the other hand tries as hard as he can to save R1 from complete boredom (nice effort !).

“Are you kidding me? I’m blind!” Was pretty funny imo.

I think what ultimately led me to not love the sequel trilogy so far is how unrealistic Rey’s character is. I agree that Luke didn’t get much training, but what the hell is this? The girl was pulling off mind tricks out of nowhere, she has mastered several force abilities that took years for Luke to master, and she has only had 3 lessons from Luke and that’s it. Rey wasn’t even bested by anyone yet (and I don’t think she will), and we’re two movies in. She was fooled by Snoke/Kylo, yes, but this film didn’t feel like her low point, and it probably was. I can see that she was challenged, but she didn’t lose. The rest of the good guys did, but she didn’t. Ughh
If someone disagrees and is able to give me logical reasons for all of this, please do.
Specifically for The Last Jedi, I didn’t like what they did to Luke’s character, as Mark said, “I fundamentally disagree with everything you did to my character” or something like that. But the execution was so brilliant, and Mark was so amazing, that I give it a pass. But I don’t believe that Luke, the most hopeful guy in the galaxy, would even consider killing someone simply because there’s darkness inside them. And I’m not sure if I’d buy crazy Luke if not for Mark. But because I did, oh boy Luke was AMAZING.

I’m pretty sure I would’ve enjoyed the movie even more had the major things not been spoiled to me.

ChainsawAsh said:

Collipso said:

SilverWook said:

Also, it’s funny as heck that a Jedi who grew up on Tatooine regards Jakku as an even more desolate hole.

One of my favorite parts of the movie, Hamill nailed it.

This and tickling Rey with the reed were two of my favorite Luke moments.

YES! When the humor is well done it’s brilliant.

SilverWook said:

Also, it’s funny as heck that a Jedi who grew up on Tatooine regards Jakku as an even more desolate hole.

One of my favorite parts of the movie, Hamill nailed it.

TESB
SW
RotJ
RO
RotS
(TLJ?)
TFA
AotC
TPM

Double post.

I think Mithrandir might have looked a bit too much into it, in his own way.

ChainsawAsh said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

I didn’t get that from the movie at all. If that had been communicated more clearly to the audience it might not have felt so insulting to me.

I think the whole reason why there was salt on the ground was so that they could show us that Luke isn’t real in that scene. Plus, it was flashback Luke using a lightsaber that had just been destroyed the scene before. Unless you’re talking about the philosophical meaning of the scene instead of the literal; if so, I’m sorry for the inconvenience.

Wazzles said:

SilverWook said:

There was a GOUT reissue?

There was the 2008 trilogy box set.

Was the GOUT included?

https://youtu.be/7e45um0jmjY
https://youtu.be/TVLPmOxxxg8
https://youtu.be/BgLEP76PHoo

This guy seems to know what he’s talking about.

It would have been so simple, just cut the scene after he sits instead of killing him, and take out Leia and Rey mourning. Ughhh
I don’t hate it but I definitely don’t love it

ilyasdesign40 said:

Collipso said:

One thing is for sure, we all love Empire

shame their won’t be something like that again!

I hope you’re wrong!!

DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

Yeah, I will watch it again tomorrow as well. Perhaps I will warm up to it too, but I will say, that despite it’s weak execution in the prequels, Lucas’ six episode saga had some underlying themes of hope and redemption that have gone by the wayside with this installment, like for example Luke who transcended his masters’ pessimism by believing in his overtly evil father’s capacity for good, now contemplating killing his nephew for having dark thoughts, and Leia ultimately giving up on her son at the end of this film. I know most people wanted to originality for TLJ, but this seems like throwing out the baby with the bath water.

If you think they abandoned the theme of hope in this… I don’t know what to tell you but… watch the film again, I think you’ll see it’s very much there.

I actually think they went a bit out of their way trying to force the hope theme on us…

Luke preemptively wanting to kill his nephew, and Leia accepting her son is lost for me is the opposite of hopeful. It screams pessimism. Parents should not give up on their children, and given Luke’s experience with Vader, his behaviour is inconsistent.

Yeah, but the final scene with the boy, and how Luke said that the Jedi were going to end and then he said that he wouldn’t be the last Jedi, and that light would always come back. I don’t know, just seemed pretty hopeful to me. Even the rebels after suffering heavy casualties are still somewhat hopeful. But that’s jut what I got from it

SilverWook said:

Collipso said:

I just joined too, and so far I’ve been very welcome. Here, from my understanding, you’re treated the way you treat people. Don’t be an asshole, or rude, or annoying to anyone and you’ll be fine.

Someone who gets it!

And welcome aboard. : )

Thank you!

Hal 9000 said:

Some unconnected thoughts upon first viewing:

They put Luke’s X-wing underwater so they didn’t have to show it covered in bird shit.

Nice ‘Raiders of the Lost Arc’ moment with the Imperial laundry room.

Yoda looks the worst I’ve ever seen him.

Interesting that the only prequel-specific reference was to the name Darth Sidious. Regards to L8wrtr.

Someone earlier in the thread said they’d like to change Luke’s saber to green at the end. It seems likely that Luke had long since discarded his green saber. Plus, him using Anakin’s saber is a very good hint that he’s not actually there, because we already saw broken in two. (Assuming it will be reforged in 3,000 years’ time.)

I was so certain Leia was going to die in space. Then I was so sure she would simply remain unconscious; the characters were already grappling with how to continue in her absence. I know the story and plot were finished prior to Carrie Fischer’s sudden death, but it still surprised me. Not sure how Ep9 will address this at all.

I found myself in tears, but was a little surprised at when that occurred. For me, it was when Luke and Leia were onscreen together and John Williams’ “Luke and Leia” kicked in.

I’m happy with Rey’s parentage. Good. Less so about Snoke; I’d really have liked to hear who this guy is. Rey as a rando is good, Snoke as a rando is bad.

Why have ‘caretakers’ on Luke’s island? To me, that slightly undermines his solitude. I didn’t mind the porgs so much. Sort of made me want to go to Chik Fil A afterward.

Maz felt totally unnecessary. And WTF is she doing as Finn and company are talking with her?

I think it was a misstep to introduce Rose at all. Just keep Finn around and have him do something without going off on a side adventure.

Can’t put my finger on it, but it seems like having so many characters or things going on made it feel like an overstuffed blockbuster movie. Maybe like all these Marvel movies I don’t care about.

I found Luke perplexing toward the end, and not necessarily in a negative sense. I wonder why Luke died. I also wonder why he suddenly has such conviction that Rey will become a Jedi and that the Jedi will continue. I thought Yoda joined him in agreeing it was time for the Jedi to end.

The novelization doesn’t come out until March?!

I pretty much agree with everything you said, it had some contradictions and stuff, and I feel like Snoke went to plot device for a while and ended up dying there, which hurt his character a lot. But I really need a second viewing.