Collipso

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

So he basically did the exact same thing he did in the end of RotJ in a more badass way?

EDIT: TLDR - Rotj is Luke learning to believe in others despite their flaws. TLJ is Luke learning to believe in himself despite his mistakes.

I actually quite like this, though I’m not sure if I buy it.

I thought TLJ sold it great. They reference his act of compassion in RotJ and how it brought him to legendary status and how this led to Luke’s downfall. TLJ shows that Luke wasn’t yet fully realized as a hero, and that he still was grappling with how his actions in RotJ changed how others and he saw himself.

Yeah, I guess the thing is I don’t like how he died and ultimately failed his goal. He simply learned his lesson and passed the torch on to Rey. Had they let him live and lead the new real Jedi/Force User group, I think it would’ve been perfect. The way it was executed leaves me with a sour taste in my mouth, because so far in the ST they have just gotten the arcs from the OT and thrown them into a trash can. At least Luke’s. They kind of redeemed Han, but Leia apparently lost every battle she has ever fought and is inevitably going to die.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

So he basically did the exact same thing he did in the end of RotJ in a more badass way?

EDIT: TLDR - Rotj is Luke learning to believe in others despite their flaws. TLJ is Luke learning to believe in himself despite his mistakes.

I actually quite like this, though I’m not sure if I buy it.

darthrush said:

Collipso said:

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

Except that Luke does the opposite when we reach the end of his arc. He accepts that the old way has come time to go away with the scene with Yoda, and he reaffirms what the Jedi are about when he saves the Resistance and his friends. It’s also the greatest act of epic pacifism that we have seen in all of Star Wars.

So he basically did the exact same thing he did in the end of RotJ in a more badass way?
Edit: I feel like I have to point out that the scene you’re referring to is my favorite scene of all time.

It’s weird because I ahead always thought that Luke would be the unconventional Jedi that would walk away from the dogmatic Jedi Order from the past. Guess I was wrong, and he followed the Jedi just like those who came before him, and Rey is now what Luke was.

LuckyGungan2001 said:

joefavs said:

I’d be curious to find out when was the last time everyone here who ranks ROTS in the top half actually saw the film. I’m not being facetious, I seriously want to know if it’s something you guys watch regularly or if you haven’t reexamined it in a while.

I rank it fourth, not including The Last Jedi, which I’m waiting to see again in order to confirm the ranking. I watched Revenge of the Sith a couple of days ago when watching all the films before seeing TLJ. It’s still really good.

Yeah I basically share this opinion.

Killoffpoe has a point, but it’s more against TFA than TLJ. TLJ was the best movie possible from the setup TFA gave us. I also didn’t like how we simply went back to the point where we were at the beginning of Star Wars without any real explanation.
I think Episode VII should’ve been the story told in the flashbacks + the New Republic being set up + the First Order rising silently
TFA should’ve been Episode VIII
TLJ Episode IX

Because, as a lot of people said, it really works just fine as a finale.

TV’s Frink said:

Some hate the way that Snoke ended up being 100 porgs in a humanoid costume.

This is the spoiler free thread!!1! Someone ban this man!

DominicCobb said:

I LOVE that this is the only film without an actual lightsaber battle, and the reason for that being that Luke never takes a swing at Ren.

I second this.

2 very minor nitpicky things: I thought lightsabers didn’t look as beautiful as usual, and I felt like the wipes from the transitions were too fast. Did anyone else notice this?

Some dislike it because of the path it took with several established aspects of the saga, ranging from characters to pretty much anything.

DominicCobb said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Super interested in the Luke/Rey sequence and the Finn/Poe scene. Less interested in Finn/Rose/DJ, but we’ll see. Sounds like that one at least will be unfinished.

Speaking of the Luke/Rey bit, Luke said “three lessons,” right? Lesson 1 was sitting on the rock, but I don’t remember the other two…

Lesson 2 was explaining why the Jedi were failures. I don’t think he got to lesson 3 (I feel like it might have been cut).

It’s probably the whole emotional sequence that was eventually cut. I think some fan editors are going to do wonders with this film.

Ryan said:

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dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that. Luke might as well been a nobody or a regular person in TLJ not counting the force projection thing he did at the end.

I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I think people were expecting to get a Luke like we got in the extended universe. I kept up with all the Luke theories people had passed 4 years that we were going to get, and none of them were even close to what we got.

I guess now the best we can hope to get something like that would be a post Jedi cartoon or something with Luke doing Jedi Master things.

This is sounding a lot like Yoda vs. Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones or Yoda vs. Emperor in Revenge of the Sith.

I don’t like the prequels. But I did like some of the lightsaber battles. I thought those were the high points of the prequels. I know people who hate the prequels generally say the lightsaber battles weren’t too bad. But I’m not saying those lightsaber battles were perfect or that I liked everything about them or liked every bit of choreography. But I thought they were in the right direction. It’s like they took the lightsaber battles in the OT and cranked it up a notch.

Well, they made it pretty clear that they’d distance themselves from the prequels as much as possible due to its poor reception.
I like some of the prequels’ lightsaber fights too, don’t get me wrong. I like Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan vs. Darth Maul and Obi-Wan vs. Anakin has some great moments and some awful moments too. The rest? Eh not so much.

Ryan said:

dahmage said:

Ryan said:

TV’s Frink said:

Speaking of other message boards, I just read this on another one, and it’s spot on.

All this discussion and posting really shows the tough part about working on franchises like this - I doubt there was nearly this much discussion, theorizing and fanboying for the original trilogy. It was fresh and there was no internet, not to mention no years of backstories, extended universe and ages for people to decide what Star Wars was to them. I don’t think you could ever make a perfect movie now for it that will satisfy everyone or even most people - again that’s why I respect Rian for doing what he did in this film.

This is why I originally felt that the original main characters like Luke, Leia, and Han shouldn’t be in the new trilogy.

But then I thought about it and changed my mind as I was expecting to have a badass all powerful Luke Skywalker. I figured it’d be worth the risk to be able to see a Luke kicking ass. But then we didn’t even get that. Oh well.

I doubt two years ago people would have said they wanted a Luke Skywalker who was living like a hermit in isolation and doesn’t really do anything in the movie as far as Jedi battles go, etc.

Oh, i think Luke was quite kick-ass in this.

What I mean is Luke doing Jedi master battles and things like in the extended universe. Or even something like the lightsaber battles in the prequels. We didn’t get any of that. Luke might as well been a nobody or a regular person in TLJ not counting the force projection thing he did at the end.

I think it was a huge missed opportunity. I think people were expecting to get a Luke like we got in the extended universe. I kept up with all the Luke theories people had passed 4 years that we were going to get, and none of them were even close to what we got.

I guess now the best we can hope to get something like that would be a post Jedi cartoon or something with Luke doing Jedi Master things.

This is sounding a lot like Yoda vs. Count Dooku in Attack of the Clones or Yoda vs. Emperor in Revenge of the Sith.

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, the whole astral projection “duel” was exactly the kind of badass Jedi Master Luke stuff I wanted to see. I was very satisfied with that. Until, you know, it killed him, but I made peace with that on my second viewing.

Yeah me too. Also, nobody seems to mention it, but when he sees Rey + Kylo he takes the stone hut down with just one movement. It’s badass. The legend Luke Skywalker vs. entire First Order is badass. I loved it. I’d be ok if we’d gotten more, but I’m fine with what we got. Less is more sometimes.

You could update the first post to say “Episodes I-VIII”

DominicCobb said:

I didn’t feel like they went into anymore detail than was needed to set up the scenario. The fuel calculation updates just reminded me of the Death Star countdown (why didn’t the Death Star pop out of hyperspace on the other side of the planet?).

I like to think of Hyperspace Routes as “roads”, and that at all points in the Galaxy there are several roads passing through that exact point. So there was no way for the Death Star to go from point A (Alderaan) to point B (Yavin 4) without having to go around the planet. The Millennium Falcon had to do that too, and both the Falcon and the Death Star left from the same point A, which leads me to believe the whole “road” thing.
So in TLJ the First Order basically would know which road the Resistance took and follow them, and that’s how they fracked them.
Just an idea though, pretty off topic too, sorry about that.

Nandi said:

Leia became superwoman - because women are superior and man are inferior, thus Luke has to sit on a rock.

Lol. You lost all the credibility in your first sentence.

MalàStrana said:

It’s curious to see the Disney movies ranked between 3 and 5 (better than ROTJ ?.. ok… ) whereas TLJ clearly “hates” TFA and R1. But anyway, TLJ/TFA/R1 better than ROTJ… it’s insane… just insane…

I don’t get it though, so far from what I’ve seen you seem to go from asking for people to respect your opinion to say other people’s opinions are insane.

TV’s Frink said:

Collipso said:

I mean, I don’t see TLJ between RotS and RotJ.

Rather than answering my question, this just generated further questions.

I’ll try again:

TESB
SW
RotJ
TLJ
RotS
RO
TFA
AotC
TPM

I know that I literally just contradicted myself.

Matt.F said:

Adywan, I know that The Last Jedi will never get the Revisited treatment but are there any obvious nips and snips to sequences you’d make if you were to do a quickie style edit?

Isn’t there a thread for that?

I mean, I don’t see TLJ between RotS and RotJ.

DrDre said:

Collipso said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

The best Spider-man movie to date features Peter losing his powers and giving up on being Spidey entirely. The (debatably) best Superman movie also features him losing his powers. I don’t see your point.

Yes, and he discovers he makes a mistake and get’s his powers back. That’s not the same as permanently altering a character.

Isn’t that what Luke does though? Even though he failed, he decides to become the legend one last time (and that may be my favorite scene in movie history). So he, in a way, got his power back, meaning the change wasn’t permanent.

Yes, but the Spider-Man film took much more time to develop the story and explain how Peter Parker came to his decision to give up on his life as a superhero. It wasn’t just a short flashback scene with a few lines of dialogue.

Yeah I agree.

As of right now.

1. TESB
2. SW (TLJ?)
3. RotJ (TLJ?)
4. RotS
5. RO (TLJ?)
6. TFA (TLJ?)
7. AotC
8. TPM

ChainsawAsh said:

GlastoEls said:

Ryan said:

Also I was real lucky getting a good seat. I got there 30 minutes early and there already was a huge line inside.

Wait - you didn’t have assigned seats on the ticket?

Where do you live that movie theaters have assigned seating? The Navy Pier IMAX in Chicago is the only one I’ve ever been to with assigned seating…

Every movie theater I’ve ever been to had assigned seats, except for one in Evanston that I don’t remember the name. It was really shocking to me that it didn’t, but apparently it’s more common for theaters not to have assigned seats than to have here in the US, from what I’ve heard so far. Is that true?

dahmage said:

Handman said:

All I wanna know is where did Threepio’s red arm go?

rewatch TFA

Does TFA explain it? I know he has both his arms golden at the end, but does the movie give us a reason?