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I believe the CGI alien that put coins in BB8 is Mark Hamill. I read that somewhere. Is that right?
TFA Han Solo was some fanfic writing material.
Well, had no one told me, I wouldn’t have noticed he’s CGI at all. I was mind blown while watching the movie about how they had found an actor that looks so much like Peter Cushing. I wouldn’t have noticed Leia either, but it was easier to believe that she’s CGI than that Tarkin’s CGI for me.
What about the thing that Luke cuts in half when he cuts Vader’s hand off? It’s already broken before Luke cuts it, but only for a few frames.
Dom, do you not think you’re going out of your way to defend a stupid sequence?
To me, BB-8 in this movie was some droid factory material from AotC, especially that walker sequence and the weaponized coins.
Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.
It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.
Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”.
But there is gravity. They are near a planet. Objects in orbit of planets still experience gravity. That’s why they orbit. Also, saying “no gravity” assumes there is no artificial gravity on the lower part of the ship that gives way to inertia once the bombs leave it; or that the bombs aren’t being ejected by some mechanism.
I was just giving an example of a nitpick. It’s not a complaint I have against the movie.
Nitpick, complain, whine, whinge… throw toys out of the pram! However you want to word it, there’s an awful lot of it going on.
It comes down to people complaining that there is a bad thing in the Sequel Trilogy, and you hold up the mirror and say well look, that same bad thing happened in the Original Trilogy.
Nitpick would be like “why are the bombs dropping if there’s no gravity”. The complaint about Luke’s characterization is not a nitpick at all.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.
They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.
I suspect they will. 😃
If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.
I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.
Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.
So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?
I think you’re making the mistake of assuming things that ought not be assumed.
I shall not assume them anymore.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.
They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.
I suspect they will. 😃
If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.
I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.
Isn’t that kind of how ESB ends? I mean, sure, the Resistance in TLJ is in far worse shape than the Rebellion ever was, but as Dom said, they still have the spark that could light the fire — the legend of Luke.
So is IX going to be ANH x2? Because Galaxy-wise, the ending of TLJ was pretty similar to the end of RotS with the promise of a new hope, which could also be phrased “the spark that will light the fire”. There will likely be a time gap between TLJ and IX. So we’re going to have the galactical situation of ANH x2. Is that right?
Please take “Let’s go chrome dome!” Out.
- Kylo Ren dies/is turned (probably dies not to be called RotJ rehash).
I think there’s more for the case that Ben dies than what you said. He’s already had a couple of shots at redemption but refused them both.
I thought that ship had sailed when he killed Snoke and denied Rey’s request.
That’s what I said.
I’m sorry for the redundancy then.
Sorry; just a little grumpy.
Nah don’t worry, I was just stupid
- Kylo Ren dies/is turned (probably dies not to be called RotJ rehash).
I think there’s more for the case that Ben dies than what you said. He’s already had a couple of shots at redemption but refused them both.
I thought that ship had sailed when he killed Snoke and denied Rey’s request.
That’s what I said.
I’m sorry for the redundancy then.
Yes. Character/acting wise it’s all great. He just looks iffy.
To be fair, I was told after I watched the movie that he was CGI. If no one had told me, I wouldn’t have known. Leia was a lot more noticeable imo.
- Kylo Ren dies/is turned (probably dies not to be called RotJ rehash).
I think there’s more for the case that Ben dies than what you said. He’s already had a couple of shots at redemption but refused them both.
I thought that ship had sailed when he killed Snoke and denied Rey’s request.
Literally the whole point of Luke showing up and making a scene is inspiring hope across the galaxy.
“The Rebellion is reborn today.”
The Resistance won’t be able to fit on the Falcon for long. This is made pretty clear in the film.
Yeah, but that all depends how the FO will rule the galaxy. It’s not two major organisations backed by various systems like in the OT. In ANH many systems were rebellung against the Empire, because it was oppressing the galaxy. Now it’s hundreds of thousands of troops versus fifty people. If the FO are smart, there won’t be a Resistance ever.
Luke didn’t just inspire little kids with brooms. He inspired everyone who sympathizes with the Resistance’s plight, including, as is implied, their allies in the Outer Rim.
Sympathy that will only last if the FO are an oppressive force. The Resistance have no allies. Their socalled allies in the outer rim didn’t answer.
If the FO set up a benevolent form of government, the Resistance will never rise again, and quickly fade into obscurity. That is as decisive a victory as victories can be. It’s completely up to the FO to drop the ball.
Not technically wrong about how the FO can win, but that’s probably not how it’s going to go lol.
They’re probably going to continue being an evil empire.
I suspect they will. 😃
If the FO continues to act as it does, then some sort of rebellion will win. All oppressive regimes eventually end. Oppression works in the short term but it will eventually lose.
I agree, but it’s an odd way to end the second part of a trilogy. It closely mirrors the end of the PT, where the bad guys win, and the good guys are decimated, and retreat in hopes to fight again one day, which may be decades away.
Yeah, the only possible outcomes are either RotJ like outcome or RotS like outcome. There’s no other option. IX has to tie up all the loose ends, assuming there are any.
Of course the rebels will win. Episode VIII had some “refreshing twists” but ultimately the story it sets up is literally the one where the outcome is incredibly predictable for IX
It’ll be a pleasant surprise if they come up with something really new, and I’d be impressed that they had the guts to do something new, and that they managed to think of something new.
But what he did to get to that point, the actions he took between RotJ and TFA were very out of character every step of the way for me, and that’s pretty hard for me to accept.
I think there could be a perfectly reasonable explanation for it. Luke snapped, just as he did in ROTJ. He was able to turn away from the dark at the last moment in both cases, but there was nobody to bail him out the second time and he was dealing with a very different situation.
Shouldn’t he have learned something though? Wasn’t it one of the biggest themes in this movie? That you fail to learn? So why are they ignoring RotJ Luke’s progress and failures?
I was more talking about Luke and Ben’s personal conflict than anything else but you can take however you want to.
I know. I’m looking at the bigger picture.
Looking at the bigger bigger picture Luke’s arc and character from the OT were sacrificed in order to make Rey the last of the Jedi. Like, she’s literally at the end of TLJ the same thing that Luke is at the end of RotJ.
The only thing making it not the same exact situation is that in TLJ they took the opposite twist as in the OT: Vader (Ren) killed the emperor (Snoke) and is now the supreme leader of the Galaxy. And the rebels (Resistance) lost to the Empire (first order).
This bothers me.
Luke had the one mission, to recreate the Jedi Order. I’m sorry to quote something from the EU, but Obi-Wan said to Luke in the First of the Thrawn books: “you’re not the last of the old; you’re the First of the new”. And I always thought that way. I find it hard to believe that Luke would be a PT-like Jedi. Heck, I always thought that was the most important part of the overall Darth Vader arc.
And it seems to me that it’s all been sacrificed in order to make Luke Rey’s Yoda, so that she can be the last of the Jedi. Sure, he went out as a badass in maybe my favorite scene in cinema history, but I’m not sure if that makes it up for it.
The thing is, most of the actions Luke takes in the movie are actually pretty Luke-y (it’s still weird to hear him say that “Jedis trained Vader therefore Fuck the Jedi”).
But what he did to get to that point, the actions he took between RotJ and TFA were very out of character every step of the way for me, and that’s pretty hard for me to accept.
adywan just needs to paint over the Dug with a CGI version of me.
I’d screenshot it and use it as my wallpaper.
The final Luke-Ren conflict was quite unbelievable. Luke was a hothead in the OT. Now, you can see that he has finally cooled down.
See, I felt this watching RotJ, so I didn’t care about this aspect of that scene. And like the comment that Dre answered above, a lot of people apparently are completely ignoring Episode VI in order to love VIII. Maybe not in order to, but apparently they are.
Last Jedi is the last in my ratings.
OT >>>>> TFA > R1 > Prequels > TLJ
I’d agree with that but just swap TFA and R1 around:
OT >>>>> R1 > TFA > Prequels > TLJ
My TLJ rating - 5/100
Haha I think 5/100 might be low but I would definitely give it an F rating.
In my school everythig below a 70/100 is an F.
To put it another way, allow me to show you how to be rational.
I hate the prequels. They are bad movies, and they don’t belong anywhere other than at the bottom 3 spots. However, they’ve got some things going for them here and there.
ANH 95/100
ESB 92/100
TLJ 88/100
TFA 84/100
RO 83/100
ROTJ 80/100
TPM 55/100
ROTS 45/100
AOTC 40/1005/100 is what your next-door neighbor’s terrible attempt at a movie deserves.
I agree, rating any Star Wars movie as lower than a 2/10 (if, say, ESB is 9/10 or 9.5/10) is insane.
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I do really like theatrical RotS. Only prequel movie I don’t watch fan edited. I watch an extended edition.
How is an extended edition not a fan edit?
I meant a FanFix.