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One can easily buy the original broadcast version TNG episodes though.
And let’s be real, upscaled shots of the original VFX alongside new HD scans of non-effects shots would look like complete garbage.
So a 4K upscale of AOTC would look like garbage?
Well yeah but it’s AOTC so that’s a given.
AotC is the best Star Wars movie to date since 1999, so stop disrespecting it.
Well I wasn’t fooled by fake Luke not even for a second, but didn’t know how he was doing what he was doing until revealed. Not only the footprints, but the haircut, hair color and lightsaber totally gave it away for me. That took tension away, which made it all a bit disappointing.
All this Yoda calling lighting justification talk sounds to me like mental gymnastics 101. Yoda somehow via the force either creating, influencing, directing, etc. the lightning in TLJ just doesn’t sit right with me whatever the reasoning. Pre-ST force ghosts could not affect the physical world. Suddenly in the ST they can directly influence the force back in the real world.
Sorry but I don’t buy it anymore than I bought the ugly Yoda puppet. I also didn’t buy “crazy yoda” as he wasn’t crazy or unhinged in the OT, just a little eccentric and put on a crazy act to either test Luke in TESB or make himself seem harmless while checking out who this stranger was that just crash landed in his backyard.
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Yoda was joking around even when he was dying in ROTJ. He always had a jovial side. Something the PT completely got rid of with grumpy frowning Yoda. TLJ Yoda was the same Yoda we see in the OT.
And OT Force ghosts could interact physically with the real world, so why can’t they also use the force? Or is it just because it’s been introduced in the ST that’s the problem?
I don’t recall any physical interaction in the OT (apart from Obi Wan’s ludicrous ‘sitting on log’ scene which doesn’t really count IMO). The issue is the fact that ghost-Obi Wan made it plain he could not assist Luke in fighting Vader. This means either a) force-ghosts can’t interact or b) force-ghosts are jerks.
Maybe, as a Jedi, Ben Kenobi feels it is appropriate to let Luke face his own battles rather than directly interfering. To do so would disrupt Luke’s journey toward becoming a Jedi because it could turn Luke into a noob by relying on Ben to solve Luke’s problems.
That is, Ben could interfere, but chooses not to because it is inappropriate in order for Luke to forge his own path correctly. When Ben says “I can not interfere”, he’s referring to a moral code rather than a physical limitation.
I think there’s a nice simplicity to the idea of force-ghosts as personal guides only. Giving them discretionary physicality muddies the waters somewhat (as evidenced by this thread).
because neither Obi-Wan nor Yoda use them.
That would naturally lead one to believe that they can’t do anything, don’t you think?
Cmon, most films today are shot digitally. Shouldn’t that be enough evidence that it wasn’t a disservice to the industry?
But Frank, no one’s saying that AotC is the most beautiful movie ever shot. Actually it’s probably the Star Wars that looks the worst.
But denying its importance is pure denial. Do you have to do it well to count as innovation? If it’s not really good then it’s not innovative?
I didn’t say it was easier, I said it was more comfortable for Lucas. With digital cameras, he could review any scene immediately without leaving his chair. The technical difficulties or the final result didn’t bother him too much.
This is an interesting thought.
I’d heard Lucas wasn’t really an actors’ director from his work on Star Wars (A New Hope), but I was stunned the first time I saw him sitting there on the set of one of the prequels drinking his giant coffee watching actors live on two TV monitors like he was filming a soap opera that had to get five episodes done that week. Isn’t there one behind the scene clip we he mentions sometimes he forgets to yell, “Cut”?
He wanted to build a film studio right on his property and film Episode 7 there before handing it off. Can you imagine? He would have directed in his bathrobe and it would be a good day if he remembered to close it.
Ok now that’s something I’ve never heard of. Where did you find that information?
Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.
It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.
But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.
I think you’re misinterpreting that Yoda quote and those characters’ journeys.
Care to elaborate more? I’m interested in all the takes on this.
First of all it must be said that we don’t know the full story behind Snoke turning Ben to the dark. But we see the power he possesses as Kylo Ren, which is far more than anything Rey does (freeze blaster bolts, people, reads their minds, etc.). If he wanted a quick and easy way besides Luke’s training regimen to unlock some crazy powers, the dark side gave him that way. Important to note too that the dark side uses pain as a fuel.
The thing is though that when Yoda said that he was referring to Luke’s situation, and though people compare Rey to Luke their journeys are actually completely different. Luke wanted to learn the force and become a Jedi like his father. To do that he had to face Vader. The quick and easy way to defeat Vader is by using anger and hate. Like almost does this, but resists. That’s the moment he truly becomes a Jedi, when he’s able to move beyond the temptation to the dark that consumed his father and cast his weapon aside.
Rey’s story is simply not analogous. The temptation to the dark for her is just not the same. She never says that she wants to become a Jedi and learn the force. The force has always been there for her (we see it in her reflexes even before she touches the saber, just like Anakin). What she desires is connection, and for someone to show her her place . It’s not about learning how to use the force, it’s about learning in what way to use it, to what end. When Luke goes into the cave, he sees his ultimate challenge, just like Rey. But for Rey, it’s not a literal physical challenge, it’s an emotional one. The quicker and easier path for her isn’t about achieving power in the force, it’s about finding someone to guide her. When Kylo offers his hand, that’s the quick and easy path. He’s saying “come with me, I can show you your place in this.” It’s right there for her, a teacher, but it’s also companionship. But instead she chooses the hard way - to say no and to forge her own path, scary as that may be.
I hope that makes sense.
It does make sense. Do you think it was clear (if intended) or well executed?
Try fanedit.info if you’re having trouble finding where to download them. FE.org doesn’t have links, .info does.
This video may help: https://youtu.be/8dTfeiSNM64
I’m sorry, I truly think it’s denial to say that Lucas wasn’t innovative and sparked a trend that would dominate the industry years later with the prequels. Really. Not only the digital camera, but also CGI, except that with CGI he wasn’t the sole pioneer. We had JP, LotR, etc etc
But to think that someone went as far as he did, by using digital cameras and going full CGI, that was pretty risky. I respect him for that. Few people have contributed to the cinema industry as much as George Lucas.
That closes the plot hole. Thank you lord
Question: What is Rey’s ultimate end goal in all of this?
“I need someone to show me my place in all of this”
Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.
It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.
But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.
I think you’re misinterpreting that Yoda quote and those characters’ journeys.
Care to elaborate more? I’m interested in all the takes on this.
6 page discussion on a quote from a 1980 movie in a 2017 movie thread incoming 😉
Collipso, I wanted to talk about the point you raised concerning the “quick, and easy path” in comparison to how the sequel trilogy handled such a topic when it came to light and dark sides of the force.
It really does present a big thematic issue for the ST, which is that Kylo Ren seems to be taking the most grueling and challenging path possible to where he gets. On the contrary it seems Rey has some pretty smooth riding. And this definitely is an issue for me. It doesn’t seem that Rey struggles much with the Dark Side unlike Luke in the OT.
But I did want to point out something I really did like about what Johnson did with the force in episode 8 and it’s how he redefined it to be more about opposing philosophizes between the light and dark rather than just a power that tempts you. Kylo simply wants to rule the galaxy as he sees fit just like Vader in ESB, and Rey feels that is not the right way to use her powers. This feels like a more realistic depiction of what the actual light and dark side would be.
Love your interpretation! Pretty smart when you think about it. I like it. The only issue I have with it is that it’s contradictory - after all, we’ve had 40 years of lore.
Triple post.
Double post.
Do they still have the connection?
They appear to be looking directly at each other when Kylo is in the deserted base and Rey is about to close the Falcon’s hatch.
Maybe they were just sensing each other. Vader and Ben had no connection in ANH, and yet…
At first I thought she literally came back from the dead and I honestly hated the idea.
I’m not a fan of what Sherlock did to Moriarty, but I think that’s one of my main criticisms to Series 1 & 2.
3 deserves a little bit more of criticism, but I still enjoyed two out of three of the episodes. Even liked the third one, but less so than the first two.
Series 4 is a fanfic sequel, like Master Fry said above.
That’d be pretty interesting to see.
I believe we’re at 20°F here where I’m living.
Back home it’s 98°F though.
Do they still have the connection?
Well I certainly don’t plan on finding out.
It exists. He didn’t remove every woman, he just made several cuts so that women never do anything useful or worthwhile or a notable contribution. For example, Poe’s the one that lightspeeds himself into Snoke’s ship, instead of Holdo. Rey never fights Luke. Leia is dumb. Rose might not exist. Etc.
Women are still there though. And it exists, I saw the download link.
Leah, daughter of Anikan and Padame.
Octorox’s Episode III (1080p): https://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-extended-edition-2/
I’m not sure if ADigitalMan’s versions are still obtainable, but here they are anyway:
Episode I: https://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-episode-i-the-phantom-menace-extended-edition/
Episode II: https://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-episode-ii-attack-of-the-clones-extended-edition/
Episode III: https://ifdb.fanedit.org/star-wars-episode-iii-revenge-of-the-sith-extended-edition/
I’m not sure if extended editions of IV-VII or R1 exist. Sorry.