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Seems like it would remove the “we’re making our landing approach at lightspeed?!” thing.
Would you remove Leia’s line, “Han, how?” and “If I told you you wouldn’t like it”?
Why?
Go patriots! Ok I’m done.
Eh, I’m with Dom on this one. We knew nothing of Vader’s turn in TESB. Why the double standards?
For me it is, because Ben’s turn is intimately connected to Luke’s fall from grace. When we first saw Vader, and his mentor Obi-Wan, the story was about Luke’s journey, and we didn’t need to know the backstory in detail. They were afterall new characters. However, since this is the 8th episode an ongoing series the story needs to naturally progress. To me the ST is like having viewed the PT, and then have Anakin Skywalker be good at the start of ANH with a short flashback in TESB telling us how he went from Vader back to Anakin. That’s not natural story progression. If you look at what happened between the PT and the OT, the answer is very little. The Empire increased their hold on the galaxy, the last Jedi were hunted down, and a Rebel Alliance was formed, but the characters were pretty much in the same place, often literally. Not so for the ST. It’s like there’s a trilogy missing, leading many to feel Luke’s character change has not been properly developed. Since the developments around Luke’s character are strongly connected with young Ben’s character development, I needed more development for both of these characters. So, in my view it’s not a double standard.
I can agree with this and it has been the way I’ve been looking at the ST in most, if not all except for this one point. This time it was just a bit too much for me, I guess.
Funny though, because I think I criticized what I’m now defending in a previous post. Guess if I really go more into it, I’ll end up agreeing with you and Mrebo, like the rest of the time.
I don’t think that’d be the special edition’s fault. I could be wrong though.
Wow, I really like that. Looking forward to see it.
Eh, I’m with Dom on this one. We knew nothing of Vader’s turn in TESB. Why the double standards?
The Patriots don’t win all the time though. I come from a country where soccer (football) is the most popular sport, and even though it’s extremely disputed and competitive in Brazil, in Europe it’s quite the opposite, because basically either Real Madrid, or Barcelona, or Bayern Munich win the European Champions League, Bayern wins the German league, and Real/Barcelona will fight over the Spanish league. Every single time. The British premier league is still more competitive and disputed, which makes it the most fun league to watch, but that’s about it.
Well, too bad the thread went the way it went. I’m not really a smart guy when it comes to politics (particularly American politics) and I don’t have a well thought opinion either, so this thread was being very interesting for me to read.
Making a mistake is human. Making the same mistake twice is foolish. (Or something like that)
maybe you mean “All men make mistakes, but only wise men learn from their mistakes.” - Winston Churchill
So Luke is a fool then in your eyes?
Yeah, I was talking about that I guess.
In a way yes, Luke is a fool. Or do you think he was very wise disregarding everything that he learned in the throne room and going into poor Ben’s hut and igniting his lightsaber? Yoda also told him that he must gain control over himself.
And Obi-Wan said that the force partially controls your actions, and that your eyes can deceive you. In the trench run yes, he did tell Luke to basically trust his instincts, but he never told Luke to let go of logic, ever.
Speaking of Obi-Wan, he’s a man that learned from his mistakes. Compare PT Obi-Wan and OT Obi-Wan, and you’ll see they’re the same character, only that they grown from their mistakes. Yoda too, but less so than Obi-Wan.
Well, Luke isn’t Yoda or Obi-wan. Luke barely had any training in the OT. I still think he was barely a good Jedi in ROTJ. Barely resisted the goading, etc. Obi-wan was training and existing along-side other Jedi… Anway, i see no reason to expect the same from Luke as from Obi-wan.
I agree, Luke drawing the saber was foolish. Yoda came back and told him that much of what he was doing was foolish.
Again, the real disagreement is that one side of this complaint things Luke is a perfect Jedi, and should behave like a perfect Jedi. The other side of this doesn’t think that at all.
The film seems to portray that Luke was not perfect, so I am happy with it.
You are not. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I don’t think he should behave like a perfect Jedi, but I do think that the mistake he made was pretty stupid considering his past.
Theatrical TFA suggests that the FO didn’t wormhole the laser’s way there, since you can see its trail in the sky.
I’m sorry. I didn’t really like The Boss Baby.
Edit: I thought this was just an oscars thread.
Making a mistake is human. Making the same mistake twice is foolish. (Or something like that)
maybe you mean “All men make mistakes, but only wise men learn from their mistakes.” - Winston Churchill
So Luke is a fool then in your eyes?
Yeah, I was talking about that I guess.
In a way yes, Luke is a fool. Or do you think he was very wise disregarding everything that he learned in the throne room and going into poor Ben’s hut and igniting his lightsaber? Yoda also told him that he must gain control over himself.
And Obi-Wan said that the force partially controls your actions, and that your eyes can deceive you. In the trench run yes, he did tell Luke to basically trust his instincts, but he never told Luke to let go of logic, ever.
Speaking of Obi-Wan, he’s a man that learned from his mistakes. Compare PT Obi-Wan and OT Obi-Wan, and you’ll see they’re the same character, only that they grown from their mistakes. Yoda too, but less so than Obi-Wan.
Well, I still get the feeling that George had a story to tell/finish, differently from KK. I guess that’s the point they were trying to make. That’s not to say George didn’t milk the franchise though. By the time of RotJ, he was more of a businessman than a filmmaker, unfortunately.
Making a mistake is human. Making the same mistake twice is foolish. (Or something like that)
I’m not going to be like Warb, don’t worry. I might comment during the game things like “wtf defense” just like against the Jaguars, but I’m not really a huge fan to the point of knowing most of the players, for example. Heck, I only know Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski and that’s it.
Blade Runner 2049 deserved best picture nom in my opinion.
Darkest Hour only belongs in the best actor category and nowhere near best picture in my books.
And I think Jordan Peele easily deserves Best Director. If Nolan wins, I’d consider it more of an award for all his movies so far which I’d also be fine with though I don’t find Dunkirk amazing.
Really? I’ll admit I was a bit confused up until 25min ish into Dunkirk (also mostly because I didn’t know the word “mole”) and I can see why some people wouldn’t really like it, but I loved it. It’s probably one of my favorite movies ever.
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I believe Nolan is going to win Best Director.
Edit: I wish Hamill had been nominated. Too bad.
Go Patriots!
This invasion of privacy stuff is nonsense. Luke isn’t the NSA. Was it an “invasion of privacy” when Vader mind proved Luke in ROTJ? As for Luke entering Ben’s bedroom, sure, it’s a little weird, but I don’t think the temple has high expectations of privacy.
I think it was.
Watched it the other day. Fantastic!
From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.
Luke said that he had sensed some of this during their training, but had to be sure. It really doesn’t seem like the kind of thing that you ask someone about as a primary way of discovering the truth.
I respectfully disagree. To me, trust is the basis for any relationship, and not just romantic ones. So yes, Luke should’ve talked to Ben before anything. Talking to him would also trigger several of Ben’s inner thoughts and feelings that Luke would be able to sense, given the subject of their discussion, and because Ben at that point probably didn’t know how to close his mind from a Jedi master.
Absolutely the scariest thing. Obviously I’m not talking about the immediate threat, but I don’t think there’s much doubt that Kylo brought Luke more pain than Vader (I’m talking emotionally here).
I disagree. Vader in the end of TESB destroyed everything Luke believed in and everything in Luke’s world. He had possibly killed his best friend, told him that his dad was not a hero but a monster, made him see his master were liars, destroyed his base at the beginning of the movie, killed several of his friends… and Luke was a young, immature man (if you compare to what he should’ve been in TLJ).
So I highly doubt that the possible future he saw was worse than this. As selfless as anyone may be, we are always biased towards ourselves.
From what we see and are told in the movie, apparently Luke didn’t even try to talk to Ben before going to him in his hut. And that’s just insane for me. We’re talking about the guy who surrendered himself to the Empire to have some alone time with Hitler to try to convince him that he’s actually a good guy.
Scarriest thing, really?!!! Scarrier than facing Darth Vader, the man who murdered your father and your mentor?
Apparently so according to Luke himself:
“I’ve seen this raw strength only once before. It didn’t scare me enough then. It does now.”
In that dialog he is talking about Ben, so I guess he sees the potential in Ben to be even worse that Darth Vader or the Emperor
Vader was a quadruple amputee in his 50’s and had weakened himself to unimaginable extent after he lost to Obi-Wan in Mustafar. So Kylo Ren in terms of raw strength might’ve been in Vader’s league. However, I don’t think Luke had that much time and was enough in tune with the force both times he faced Vader to be able to sense his raw strength. I think he was more focused in Vader’s feelings in RotJ and in ESB he was just shitting his pants, really.