Sign In

Class316

User Group
Members
Join date
23-Sep-2004
Last activity
21-Aug-2019
Posts
84

Post History

Post
#1276767
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

PCM tracks successfully uploaded! Do not clog the thread with requests, please ask only in PM. These links are not to be publicly posted anywhere without my permission, thanks.

Awesome, thanks so much! It’s great that this is finally made into digital form.

Now we literally have all best available elements to restore Fantasia to its 1940s glory.

Blu Ray
DVD
LD sound
HD Sunflower footage

Post
#1275407
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

Charles Threepio said:

OK, so as soon as I have all the materials gathered together, I’ll do the following with the visuals:

  1. Attempt to align the 35mm footage I’ve received in digital form as closely with the Blu-ray footage as possible, and crop accordingly (hopefully, very little, if any, of the 35mm footage should be trimmed);
  2. Clean up the same 35mm footage;
  3. Recolor the Blu-ray footage to match the 35mm footage as closely as possible; and
  4. For the 1990 theatrical version, recreate the closing credits.

My release, once complete, will consist of the uncensored roadshow version with the unedited Pastoral Symphony and as much of the original Deems Taylor audio as possible, and the 1990 theatrical version, also with the unedited Pastoral Symphony. The main audio track will be as close a recreation of the original Fantasound experience as possible, with additional tracks in mono 1.0, stereo 2.0, Dolby Stereo 4.0, and Dolby Digital 5.1.

ETA: I almost forgot to mention, apart from being the main audio source where possible, the laserdisc release will also be used as a timing reference for the 1990 theatrical version.

Sounds awesome. Hope you make this your priority project, cause as I mentioned, Fantasia is in dire need of some releases.

Not sure if you need it, but I have the 2000 DVD release with the censored bits added back. I got that from myspleen. The source for censored bits is fairly bad but it is VERY well inserted. Maybe you could see how well that is done. Or maybe you’d need it for the audio source? In any case if you need it I can get it to you.

Also, what’s this about closing credits recreation? Educate me.

Post
#1274935
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

Charles Threepio said:

If this “perfect” edition isn’t the 1990 reissue edition with the uncensored Pastoral Symphony, I’d be much interested in making that one of my (admittedly very many) projects at some point in the near future.

By all means if you want to take that task and come up with something, please do so. As I’ve said before it amazes me how many versions of Song of the South and OT Star Wars we have. Yet almost nothing for Fantasia.

IMO this is the perfect Fantasia:

Blu Ray footage
Sunflower scenes from HD 35mm inserted in
LD Audio for most of the footage (including Deems where available)
DVD audio or 90s CD soundtrack audio for the Sunflower scenes where missing from LD audio
DVD audio dub for missing Deems voice

This basically restores Fantasia to the 1940 as much as possible using all the best available elements today.

Post
#1274817
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

The PCM audio capture is done. I just need to finish listening to it to make sure it’s good. If my internet gets upgraded next week as scheduled, I can try uploading it as I should have better speeds that I get with DSL, which is being phased out around here.

Will try to get to the video capture soon as I get the other player hooked back up to the DVD recorder.

You’re the best!

Post
#1268676
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

Hopefully this month. I’ve been dealing with health issues, and we’re getting one storm after another out here in California. The last one caused some blackouts, which finally killed the battery on my UPS/surge protector for my vintage gear. I need to replace that or move stuff around and hook things up elsewhere.
The replacement batteries are so pricey, it’s actually cheaper just to buy a new unit.

Ok. Get well. Looking forward to it.

Post
#1264808
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

dbear said:

I have the CAV laserdisc, bought one cheap, still-sealed, mainly for the collectible swag that came with it. Not sure if the discs suffer from laser rot. I’d be happy to loan it unless the CLV is sufficient/reliable enough for a capture.

The double VHS set actually has better swag than the CAV LD. (though LDs look nicer than VHS). I thought of buying it but then I thought do I really need more stuff.

Post
#1264260
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

Depends on the player. There can be video gremlins CLV doesn’t get. CAV is only 30 minutes (or less) per side, so more fuss doing a capture. The digital audio capture would be separate from the video. I run the optical output into a CD recorder, and the end result is a CD-R with the untouched PCM LD audio.
I capture on different players as the one with digital sound processes the video too much. It’s impossible to turn all the processing off completely. My oldest machine, (now over 30 years old!) is as close to raw video output as I can get, also less prone to video anomalies like laser rot, but only has analog sound output. The video will have the analog tracks with CX noise reduction though. Video is captured into a JVC DVD recorder at the highest quality settings and one disc per LD side. The audio is recorded as PCM.

You seem to know best when it comes to this, so I’ll leave all this LD capturing process up to you. I guess the LD audio in best quality possible is the priority here. Whenever you get to it will be awesome! Thanks!

Impressive that your 30+ year old LD player still works!

Post
#1264211
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

Both editions are the same 1990 theatrical reissue version with Deems intact. The only difference is the box set is in CAV format (which allows frame by frame access) and has supplemental extras.

Ok thought Deems wasn’t intact on that one. CAV is generally better quality, isn’t it? That CAV release is real cheap on ebay if we need to get it.

Post
#1264199
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

SilverWook said:

I have the CLV edition.
https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03732/1132-AS/Fantasia
I can rip the digital tracks. It might be a few weeks before I can get around to it though.

Do you plan to edit down the Deems Taylor scenes, as the extra narration was lost, which prompted the complete redub in the first place?

Correct me if I’m mistaken, but this edition does not have Deems, does it?

I’m in communication with someone else regarding this, personally I think shorter scenes with Deems is enough. He thinks there should be a complete narration (in which case we can use LD for Deems and DVD audio for the rest).

But that is thinking too far ahead. Right now we need LD audio in usable digital form.

BenjaminG said:

Very interested in your project class316 - I was considering doing something myself there too as I’d just got a hold of the 35mm sunflower footage. I’m a bit of a novice though.

I wonder who has the full 35mm footage cause that’d be interesting to have.

Song of the South has so many different variations. LD copy, 35mm HD, BBC HD, hybrids of the above. Star Wars has 5 million different variations. Even THX-1138 has a few different versions out.

All these are wonderful don’t get me wrong. But it amazes me that Fantasia doesn’t get this kind of love.

The only thing I’ve seen (besides direct DVD and blu ray rips) is on myspleen. It’s the DVD video and audio with VHS quality Sunflower scenes inserted (though inserted VERY well).

For those interested in HD Sunflower (and a couple of other Disney things) check out my post: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Disney-goodies-Three-Little-Pigs-The-Castaway-Fantasia-Sunflower-in-HD/id/64877

Post
#1263966
Topic
Fantasia Special Edition laserdisc HELP
Time

I am on a mission to craft the “perfect” edition of Fantasia. For most of the video, there’s blu ray. For the Sunflower scenes, I got an HD film transfer. This can be inserted in the blu ray footage.

This leaves audio. The best edition for audio is this release: https://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/03733/1236-CS/Fantasia:-Special-Edition

Not only does it feature Deems Taylor’s voice, but the LD audio is closer to Fantasound than the DVD (blu ray audio mix completely destroyed it)

Is there anyone here with the ability to get me that? Would appreciate this so much. Thanks!

Post
#1263958
Topic
He-Man episode "Diamond Ray of Disappearance"
Time

Yes I noticed. Maybe I should have kept a shot of the palace at the end of the youtube footage. But then the transition might look worse unrestored palace then restored palace. Also, on the DVD the end of the sound of Orko disappearance shows up on the shot of the palace. Overall it’s not too bad. I was shocked with how well the transition worked out in the beginning.

Here is a VHS rip of that episode, 100% complete: https://www.dropbox.com/s/vdmgkpygxdxl83q/Diamond Ray of Disappearance.m4v?dl=0

I didn’t use that footage as it looks rough, but you can compare how this is to mine.

Anyone is encouraged to improve this.

Post
#1263883
Topic
He-Man episode "Diamond Ray of Disappearance"
Time

The Masters of the Universe episode “Diamond Ray of Disappearance” is actually missing almost 50 seconds of footage in all DVD releases. As a result all torrent, youtube, and other online releases of this are missing that footage. Check out this youtube video for the info: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJ-lxlMsHI&t=17s

What I did was take that youtube footage and insert it into the DVD rip I made of this episode. And thus I’ve got the complete version!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lhiJ8g9jvi9CSfStBfhKTDf_pert55_n/view

Post
#1262316
Topic
Disney goodies! Three Little Pigs, The Castaway, Fantasia Sunflower in HD!
Time

Here’s some stuff for everyone.

First off, The Three Little Pigs with completely uncensored Jewish disguise and original dialog. To be clear the US Silly Symphonies DVD release has censored footage and altered dialog, whereas the European version restore the footage but still retains the altered dialog. This version is a European DVD rip with the original wolf dialog (complete with a Yiddish accent) restored!

For those who don’t know:

original dialog: “I’m the fuller brush man, I’m giving away free sample”

altered dialog: “I’m the fuller brush man, I’m working my way through college”

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qvFCW6mS8xJlgTOClkJW4xhzwW6tjiEC

Next up, Mickey Mouse The Castaway. This was released in the 2004 Disney Treasures release “Mickey Mouse in Black and White” volume 2. About two minutes into the short, it has a few seconds of footage missing showing a box washing ashore. The missing footage’s audio is still present, hereby desynching the rest of the short.

I had a HQ mpeg of an unrestored version of the short that I obtained years ago. The missing footage from this mpeg was inserted into the DVD version. Sadly the unrestored footage is cropped. Due to this, when it transitions from the unrestored footage to the restored DVD footage, the box appears to shift to the right.

The audio in this fix is 100% DVD audio since as mentioned, the missing footage’s audio is still present in the DVD. Also, the audio is now fully synched in this fix.

I have included the unrestored mpeg if anyone wants to try and improve the release. Even better if someone has a better source to replace it with.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1h0KgtYwKDGosJ4Kr3tU9kJGAmx_6xOng

And finally, this censored Sunflower scenes in HD! I can’t believe I managed to obtain these from someone. Didn’t even know they existed in this quality. Anyone is encouraged to try and clean them up and re insert them in Fantasia.

REDACTED