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#1382228
Topic
THX on 35mm Tech IB preservation - HELP NEEDED (work in progress)
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JadedSkywalker said:

I thought it was interesting when i found that not only did THX 1138 have an IB tech Print, but so did American Graffiti and so did Star Wars.

I’ve seen 4K77. Would love to see similar restorations of the other 2 films.

Correct me if I’m not mistaken, but the American Graffiti blu isn’t really desecrated like THX or Star Wars. The changes are very minor.

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#1381126
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Terminator 2 Judgment Day (1991). Regraded + Partially DeRemastered + Regrained (Released)
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On myspleen this awesome version was released. Check out the write up:

The mission here is to hopefully provide the best possible viewing and listening experience of T2 that we can get, using the latest 2017 StudioCanal “remastered” transfer as the main source.

First, a big thank you and credit to sanjuro_61 for his release of this film that we used as a basis to work from, found here: https://forum.fanres.com/thread-2885.html

Further alterations from his release as follows:

VIDEO

  • Painstaking regrading of the film, not just scene to scene but in some cases shot to shot or even single frames where necessary in order to restore the film to something closer to previous releases (This took a lonnng time!)

  • Restored bendy knife in bar scene

  • Restored stuntman’s head in the slo-mo bike jump scene

  • Replaced shots throughout film where lost detail could not be recovered from the 2017 transfer by using the 2015 Lionsgate transfer instead, with additional regrading to match the rest of the film

– We decided to use the 2015 transfer for the first shot of the T800 crushing the skull with the pink lasers overhead, as removing the ridiculous amount of blue was not possible with the 2017 transfer

– The lava at the end of the film has been turned to yellow with too much detail lost in the process, so the 2015 transfer was favoured in some shots

  • Cropped a shot in the car after the Sarah Connor asylum breakout due to presence of border of projected backdrop being visible in 2017 transfer

AUDIO (THEATRICAL)

  • DTS-HD MA 5.1 (StudioCanal 2017)
  • DTS-HD MA 5.1 (Lionsgate 2015)
  • DTS-HD MA “6.1” (Skynet 2009)
  • Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (Japanese Premium Edition 2008)
  • DTS-HD MA 5.1 (French CDS Mix “Remaster” 2008)
  • DTS 5.1 (Japanese CDS Mix 2003) [Thanks to Chewtobacca for his resync of this]

So, I’m not completely happy with the sync up of the 2008 CDS “Remaster” audio, but it’s as good as I can get it really and is still very watchable. If anyone else wants to have a crack, go nuts.

I have the Lionsgate 2015 audio as the default selected track.

SCREENSHOTS

https://imgur.com/a/X23ZpTY

And for the SE:

The mission here is to hopefully provide the best possible viewing and listening experience of T2 that we can get, using the latest 2017 StudioCanal “remastered” transfer as the main source.

First, a big thank you and credit to sanjuro_61 for his release of this film that we used as a basis to work from, found here: https://forum.fanres.com/thread-2885.html

Further alterations from his release as follows:

VIDEO

  • Painstaking regrading of the film, not just scene to scene but in some cases shot to shot or even single frames where necessary in order to restore the film to something closer to previous releases (This took a lonnng time!)

  • Restored bendy knife in bar scene

  • Restored stuntman’s head in the slo-mo bike jump scene

  • Replaced shots throughout film where lost detail could not be recovered from the 2017 transfer by using the 2015 Lionsgate transfer instead, with additional regrading to match the rest of the film

– We decided to use the 2015 transfer for the first shot of the T800 crushing the skull with the pink lasers overhead, as removing the ridiculous amount of blue was not possible with the 2017 transfer

– The lava at the end of the film has been turned to yellow with too much detail lost in the process, so the 2015 transfer was favoured in some shots

  • Cropped a shot in the car after the Sarah Connor asylum breakout due to presence of border of projected backdrop being visible in 2017 transfer

  • Inserting and regrading of Special Edition scenes to match the rest of the film

AUDIO

  • DTS-HD MA 7.1 (Ultimate Lionsgate Hybrid 2020)
  • DTS-HD MA 7.1 (Ultimate Premium CDS Lionsgate Hybrid 2020)
  • DTS-HD MA 5.1 (Premium CDS Lionsgate Hybrid 2020)
  • DTS-HD MA 5.1 (Lionsgate 2015)
  • DTS-HD MA “6.1” (Skynet 2009)
  • DTS-HD HR 7.1 (German Ultimate Edition 2008) [Thanks to Kurtos for sending me this rarity - only present on a German HD-DVD from 2008 for some reason!]
  • Dolby TrueHD 5.1 (Japanese Premium Edition 2008)

They botched the timing of the Special Edition scenes with the StudioCanal 2017 audio, so I didn’t include it.

The top three tracks for SE, I put together myself. I found that the volume of the German Ultimate Edition 7.1 was set too high, “brickwalling” it more so than other remixes, so I took the side surrounds from the German Ultimate Edition 7.1 and lowered them accordingly to match the Lionsgate L, R, C, LFE and rear surround channels, which are identical more or less to the German Ultimate Edition anyway, but with a higher bitrate and less brickwalled. So if you want a remixed 7.1 experience, the first track is probably the way to go.

The third track is the Japanese theatrical CDS Mix, with Lionsgate SE scenes spliced in for L, R, C and LFE. I took the rear channels from the Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Japanese Premium Edition for SE scenes, as their volume levels matched more closely to the CDS Mix without any need for editing. Other than the volume being lower, they’re identical to the Lionsgate. This is as close as it gets to watching the film with original audio, if you’re interested in SE.

The second track is the CDS Mix L, R, C and LFE channels. with Lionsgate SE scenes spliced in for L, R, C and LFE, combined with the side surrounds from the German Ultimate Edition, with volume adjusted accordingly to match the CDS. Most people would consider this blasphemous, but if you want that original mix with 7.1, use this Tongue

I have the Lionsgate 2015 audio as the default selected track.

SCREENSHOTS

https://imgur.com/a/X23ZpTY

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#1381125
Topic
THX-1138 (1st Director’s Cut) - 35mm Grindhouse Edition (Released)
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Chewielewis said:

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Well I saw this yesterday. An interesting experience. I had never seen the original cut.

It was the roughest print I had ever seen, red as hell, so scratched and dirty it makes 4K77 grindhouse look pristine.

Came with the Buck Rogers trailer at the top and a rather modern looking warner logo rather than a WB shield.

Got a good laugh when the officer fell of his bike and the number of active officers changed by one.

Very confusing movie, the directors cut makes a lot more sense, although I hate the CGI changes in it.

SilverWook said:

Off the top of my head, look for the extra few seconds of SEN interacting with the kids towards the end of the movie.

Scene ended at the point where he references the huge bottle of economics he had to take. Don’t think there were any extra seconds, will have to review the LD.

On my spleen they have this version which IMO is the best version that exists. From what I understand multiple sources were used to restore the laserdisc release. Here is the write up:

As you may know, thxita, a member on the board, recently obtained a 35mm IB print of THX 1138. This print is from Italy so all the titles, and computer screens are translated into Italian and the sound contains the Italian dub. The print has been scanned and is currently being cleaned up by Poita and Harmy has expressed interest in creating a ‘despecialized’ version.

While their efforts will help create the best version of this film whose original version has little chance of seeing the light of day, I thought it would be nice to take what we have so far and whip up a quick and dirty English version for people to enjoy now. Poita recently released a file containing the whole scan as-is, and I took this and made an English version.

I used the laserdisc as a point of reference for this sync because it’s the only official release of the original version of the film. In a sense, I felt this to be the closest thing to a ‘GOUT’ that THX has. This is the 1st director’s cut of the film that was released after the success of Star Wars; the 35mm print, however, is the 1971 theatrical cut. The only changes between the two are re-arranged scenes in the middle and a shortened scene towards the end between SEN and a couple of young children (and by short, it’s only about 5 seconds shorter). I decided to maintain the edit of the laserdisc version because it was easier to simply edit the footage to the laserdisc than trying to edit both the 35 and the laserdisc and moving both around. I’ve viewed both versions of the film and to be honest, it doesn’t change much. The scenes in question are independent of each other and don’t enhance or take away from the overall narrative. At worst, these edits change our views about how quickly this futuristic society expedites criminals or tortures them prior to trial depending on which version you watch. I just say: meh.

Here are some additional notes:

  • The first 3 minutes of the film were taken from the bluray version. This includes Buck Rodgers, the Warner Bros logo, the Zeotrope logo, the intro titles and a close up of a clock. At first, I was going to just leave the laserdisc footage, but Buck Rodgers looks particularly bad on the LD and three minutes is a long time to look at badly upscaled LD captures.

  • Any additional missing footage though is filled in with the laserdisc. This is much easier to do since the laserdisc footage was already laying under the 35 footage in my timeline and any gaps in the 35 timeline is replaced by the laserdisc footage. These last from a mere few frames to a few seconds at a reel change. I really didn’t feel like pulling out my hair to splice in frames from other sources and I prefer this to black frames. Plus, this helps show the difference between this and the LD and what footage is missing from the print and what any future restorer will need from alternate sources. I also might have missed a few frame splices here and there and the sync may slightly go out here and there.

  • I replaced all of the Italian info screens with the laserdisc. The Bluray uses new computer screens so that was worthless anyway. A future restoration might be able to use the 16mm print that Poita scanned.

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#1375437
Topic
Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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Yes correct it is 9gb not sure why I typed 60.

Also for those interested here is the write up on it. Be cool if someone could insert the censored bits to it.

This is the 1990 remaster of Fantasia transferred from the CAV LaserDisc boxset, released in January of 1991. This serves not only as a preservation of the 1990 remaster, but of the LaserDisc itself as this is one of numerous disc sets that has disc rot issues which will intensify with time.

Several noticeable differences to other, more modern releases include:

-Color timing is much brighter, especially in the “Nutcracker Suite” section of the film
-A recreation of the 1940 intermission card is used as a title, as opposed to the 1941 “RKO” titlecard used for the 81-minute cut and all post-2000 releases
-Alternate shots with the orchestra in darkness are used for Taylor’s narration; later cuts restore Taylor’s speaking footage
-Deems Taylor’s narration, which was replaced by an actor’s redub in post-2000 releases of the film due to deteriorated optical soundtracks
-A ~115 minute runtime made to resemble the 1946 release of the film (which restored Toccata and Fugue), as opposed to the 124-minute 1940 Roadshow version
-An end credits sequence, which all other versions lack

This boxset suffers laser rot to some degree due to the glue used; thankfully here, it’s contained to the very beginning of each side. It will be most noticeable in the beginning of the film but each subsequent disc/side has less visual “disc rot”.

Transferred using a DVL-90 player, DMR-ES15 passthrough to an AJA Kona LHe card using the S-video input.
Captured as a raw image sequence which was then ran through QTGMC and exported as a 10-bit 4.2.2 H.264 video through ffmpeg (Placebo setting).
(The film runs at 59.94p to better preserve the LaserDisc image as the high framerate and raw modulated image combine to create a “clearer” picture to the eye.)

Digital audio track piped from the DVL-90 to an X-fi Titanium card, bit-matched and recorded as a 44100Hz 16-bit PCM; the file is directly muxed to the .mkv.
Analogue audio was transferred using the AJA KONA LHe card and exported as a monaural Opus file.
Captions were transferred by way of DVD burning on the Panasonic DMR-ES15, ripped using MakeMKV/MKVCleaver and corrected to the .mkv timing in SubtitleEdit.
Chapter stops and titles are direct from the “Chapter Index” insert in the CAV boxset.

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#1374857
Topic
Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

Hey, all. Apologies for being so MIA, but rest assured I have most certainly not forgotten about the project. I somehow managed to get a hold of the 1982 reissue trailer and will be having it scanned along with the other trailers as soon as possible. Mag audio samples will be cooked up soon as well. Stay tuned.

God bless you! Hope we finally have our perfect Fantasia! And to hell with the official Disney DVDs and Blus of this.

Not sure if it helps you in any way but on myspleen there’s a 60GB release of the CAV laserdisc.

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#1350581
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Fantasia - 35mm Project (Help Needed) (a WIP)
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TonyWDA said:

I don’t want to reveal too much about what I want to do w/ the audio just yet, but as far as the interstitials go, for now, the truncated versions are all I can use as the release containing the extended audio (brought up in the main post) has not yet surfaced as of this writing, and suddenly muting Taylor’s audio to turn on subtitles for prolonged periods is less a cohesive experience than I was planning on creating. At the moment I’m not entirely sure I would go through the trouble of cutting together a truncated version of the 2000 dub, either. I’m honestly not too fond of it and as it turns out, many other fans aren’t, either. Perhaps the dubbed interstitials could be provided as individual bonus features for those who have never even bothered purchasing any official release and want to see the original footage play out completely.

I’d be all for truncated versions in the main feature plus the full footage with dub as extras. Anything to finally see this restored as intended as much as possible.

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#1299186
Topic
Fantasia - Special Edition laserdisc (* WIP *)
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Here’s an update from him, and I quote

Basically, all the material is gathered up and awaiting its turn in my queue of crazy projects. I should be ready to start playing around with it soon. The good news is that once I do get started, I’m really not anticipating much of a lengthy gestation period. Of course, if some other fanboy geek over at originaltrilogy gets to it before I do, that’s cool too… but you can let them know I haven’t forgotten about it (in fact, the bluray and the old DVD box are sitting on a shelf two feet away from me along with the DVD for my other Blu-Ray project awaiting its turn, the long cut of Bedknobs and Broomsticks).

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#1298810
Topic
Fantasia - Special Edition laserdisc (* WIP *)
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Spookyking said:

Any updates on this project? Looking forward to it!

Not very much. Spoke to a guy on myspleen who authored the uncensored DVD version on there and made sure that he has all the material and info he needs. Said he would work on it. This was a while ago though haven’t heard back. IMO if anyone can do what needs to be done it’s him. He even talked about multiple audio tracks.

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#1276767
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Fantasia - Special Edition laserdisc (* WIP *)
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SilverWook said:

PCM tracks successfully uploaded! Do not clog the thread with requests, please ask only in PM. These links are not to be publicly posted anywhere without my permission, thanks.

Awesome, thanks so much! It’s great that this is finally made into digital form.

Now we literally have all best available elements to restore Fantasia to its 1940s glory.

Blu Ray
DVD
LD sound
HD Sunflower footage

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#1275407
Topic
Fantasia - Special Edition laserdisc (* WIP *)
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Charles Threepio said:

OK, so as soon as I have all the materials gathered together, I’ll do the following with the visuals:

  1. Attempt to align the 35mm footage I’ve received in digital form as closely with the Blu-ray footage as possible, and crop accordingly (hopefully, very little, if any, of the 35mm footage should be trimmed);
  2. Clean up the same 35mm footage;
  3. Recolor the Blu-ray footage to match the 35mm footage as closely as possible; and
  4. For the 1990 theatrical version, recreate the closing credits.

My release, once complete, will consist of the uncensored roadshow version with the unedited Pastoral Symphony and as much of the original Deems Taylor audio as possible, and the 1990 theatrical version, also with the unedited Pastoral Symphony. The main audio track will be as close a recreation of the original Fantasound experience as possible, with additional tracks in mono 1.0, stereo 2.0, Dolby Stereo 4.0, and Dolby Digital 5.1.

ETA: I almost forgot to mention, apart from being the main audio source where possible, the laserdisc release will also be used as a timing reference for the 1990 theatrical version.

Sounds awesome. Hope you make this your priority project, cause as I mentioned, Fantasia is in dire need of some releases.

Not sure if you need it, but I have the 2000 DVD release with the censored bits added back. I got that from myspleen. The source for censored bits is fairly bad but it is VERY well inserted. Maybe you could see how well that is done. Or maybe you’d need it for the audio source? In any case if you need it I can get it to you.

Also, what’s this about closing credits recreation? Educate me.

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#1274935
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Fantasia - Special Edition laserdisc (* WIP *)
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Charles Threepio said:

If this “perfect” edition isn’t the 1990 reissue edition with the uncensored Pastoral Symphony, I’d be much interested in making that one of my (admittedly very many) projects at some point in the near future.

By all means if you want to take that task and come up with something, please do so. As I’ve said before it amazes me how many versions of Song of the South and OT Star Wars we have. Yet almost nothing for Fantasia.

IMO this is the perfect Fantasia:

Blu Ray footage
Sunflower scenes from HD 35mm inserted in
LD Audio for most of the footage (including Deems where available)
DVD audio or 90s CD soundtrack audio for the Sunflower scenes where missing from LD audio
DVD audio dub for missing Deems voice

This basically restores Fantasia to the 1940 as much as possible using all the best available elements today.