Class316

MattMahdi said:

If my choices make credit card companies unwilling to associate with me, whether for their own reasons or because of perceived backlash from their stakeholders then that is MY problem.

That said, there is always collateral damage. Living in WA state, I’m reminded of when marijuana was legalized and banks would not deal with companies that sold the stuff because their national standing as corporations put them at potential risk with the federal government. Unintended consequences of well-meaning people who had the neat idea of legalizing the stuff.

I can see your point about a PC police. Things do get taken too far with cancelation culture.

And I also wonder if what we’re doing is, in fits and spurts, trying to work our way into a better world.

We won’t get there by rewriting our pasts, though, a la 1984, but by acknowledging them and moving beyond them.

I do agree it’s their choice, but the fact that they are all united in the same choices is very chilling. It means that one entity controls everything and denies rights to who they see fit, regardless of what is allowed under the law. Essentially, the free market system is a lie.

Spookyking said:

Does this mean you are considering a v2.0?

Either way, I’m very happy to see this project released! came back here today after more than a year since my last checkup and seeing all these updates was a great sight!

I personally would very much like to see a V2 released. If anyone wants to tackle it I’ve got all the materials.

Many of us watched those cartoons - and other similar films - repeatedly over a long, long time.

There is no ‘pc police’ involved in the removal of content of which the owners of these franchises themselves deemed offensive years later and then removed.

If anything, it is the owners of these franchises wanting to re-write history in an attempt to show they weren’t offensive, derogatory, or used racial caricatures and so on, in their past content. A bid to retcon their own history - which they obviously have issue with.

Nobody is telling you your (or our) childhood was bad - so please don’t claim otherwise. Or include and twist such a point to post inflammatory remarks, or lay blame at some sort of imaginary ‘pc police’.
 

I disagree with you on one front, there definitely is a pc police. Disney for instance succumbed to mob rules in 2020 and announced they would eliminate Splash Mountain and re theme it in favor of princess and the frog. To boot, they took away the zip a dee doo dah song from their parks and even removed a statue of Brer Rabbit. Everyone is afraid to release certain material or say certain things so as not to be a victim of cancel culture. It is not just limited to old cartoons but across the board.

Take for instance, the social media site GAB. They essentially refuse to moderate any content that is legal speech under US law. Unlike the Facebooks and Twitters of the world that censor viewpoints they don’t like. For this stance, credit card companies deny them service. Google and Apple deny them a spot on their app store. Obviously there is a pc police. People get fired for posts on twitter. Again, pc police. And so on and so forth.

So it seems Fantasia can be improved further.

On myspleen someone released a rip of the Australian DVD. The video of this release is apparently from the same video source as the laserdisc. Even at DVD5 it seems like an upgrade. The audio on the other hand is the same DVD audio but the narration (with Corey Burton dub) cut to fit the video.

So one would have to consolidate all the vob files to one video, slow it down to NTSC, insert the missing scenes, and drop the two audio files from this release. And the audio track of that release can even be kept as an optional third track.

Here is the write up on myspleen:

This is the 2000 Australian “Walt Disney Classics” release of Fantasia. Unlike most other releases, this uses the 2 hour long 1990 home video master, albeit sped up for a PAL frame rate- ending up with a runtime of 1 hour, 54 minutes and 30 seconds. The audio is a butcherization of the already butchered 2000 5.0 audio track (ft. Corey Burton overdubbing Deems Taylor) that has been cut to match.

Several noticeable differences to other, more modern releases include:

-Color timing is much brighter, especially in the “Nutcracker Suite” section of the film
-A recreation of the 1940 intermission card is used as a title, as opposed to the 1941 “RKO” titlecard used for the 81-minute cut and all post-2000 releases
-A ~115 minute runtime made to resemble the 1946 release of the film (which restored Toccata and Fugue), as opposed to the 124-minute 1940 Roadshow version

This is a substantial upgrade to the LaserDisc transfer I did and, even for the small size of the DVD, it looks great. It may or may not be an upscale of an NTSC source- however, since there is no proper release of the 1990 version on DVD format in an NTSC territory, this is the next best thing.

The only processing done was running the DVD through DVD Decrypter.

TheHutt70 said:

Well, I just acquired a copy of this 35mm copy and as stated on page one of this thread which I didn’t notice at first it has the censored audio.
Does anyone know if there is even a copy out there with the original audio? I’m pretty resourceful when it comes to finding stuff like this but I am striking out everywhere…
It would be nice to know if it even actually exists before spending more time on it…

The 35mm version I have has the uncensored audio as an optional track. Are you sure yours has just one audio track?

The VHS is not needed.

Please see this: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/fantasia-special-edition-laserdisc-released/id/65087/page/2#1407146

SmegPod said:

Is there any chance that someone could PM me with a link to a copy of the TB Snow White release? Or point me to somewhere it’s uploaded?

It’s on cartoon chaos but that’s a private tracker.

monks19 said:

Ah, ok. Figures. When you mention the DVD, are you talking about the british/region 2 one ? There was a rumor that this one retained some of the Deems Taylor’s speaches (which meens, it must have been made with a master from the LD, if true). Also, about the mags, I think there are some surviving and Poita did found one a some point. if we’re lucky, maybe someone else may have this.

The rumors are false. There is no Deems on anything newer than laserdisc.

He’s talking about the missing audio on the Pastoral Symphony. About 5 seconds from the DVD was used to patch it up. Read the write up for full info: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/fantasia-special-edition-laserdisc-released/id/65087/page/2#1407146

monks19 said:

Hello all. Just saw the “restaured and uncensored” version you did of the movie. Good job. Although, I have two things to poind out that stick out a little bit and could be corrected in the future:

1- The HD scan of the censored parts. Any chance to clean it it up a little bit ? It’s marred with both vertical lines and spots that could probably cleaned up alittle bit. Also, the images look a bit darker than the ones coming from the LD/Early DVD (I don’t think Blu-ray image was used on this, right ?)

2- The audio reconstruction. The sound is good, but seems very weak at times (almost too low). Also, the different sources do stick out a bit on occasion (differend hissings and lack of it). Any chance to rework it a bit more so the changes become seamless ?

Otherwise, very good job and thanks to everyone involved.

Neither blu ray nor DVD image was used.

Isn’t the blu ray uncensored?

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=11890&sel=on

I actually have the correct answer. They have 3 versions in their archives

They have the literal 1991 Special Edition LD release: https://lccn.loc.gov/96517622

A 35mm copy of the laserdisc version: https://lccn.loc.gov/92509477

The abomination that is the 1982 version: https://lccn.loc.gov/91482431

So basically here we have a version that is closer to the original than what the Library of Congress has. It’s confirmed.

Based on the notes of the 35mm link they are at least aware that parts of the original are deleted and what they have isn’t original. Why that doesn’t bother them is shocking considering their policy on Star Wars.

Here’s a thought. In 1990 it went in the National Film Registry.

https://www.loc.gov/programs/national-film-preservation-board/film-registry/complete-national-film-registry-listing/

I know they refused to include the SE version of the original Star Wars. But what about Fantasia? Which version is in there? Sunflower or no Sunflower?

While I don’t know, my guess would be the same version that the VHS and Laserdisc got since it was put in the registry at the same time those were released.

So when you download this, you likely have a version of Fantasia that is better than what the Library of Congress has.

SpacemanDoug said:

Class316 said:

I too have the Australian blu. Wouldn’t mind the US Theatrical cut in HD.

I found this 10GB version on myspleen

Conan.the.Barbarian.1982.Theatrical.Cut.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-ETHiCS.mkv.torrent

Ah yes that’s my upload and it’s taken from a much more recent scan, it looks better than the blu-ray and the missing audio cues and sound effects are restored on it

Interesting. Guess I’ll get this version then.

I too have the Australian blu. Wouldn’t mind the US Theatrical cut in HD.

I found this 10GB version on myspleen

Conan.the.Barbarian.1982.Theatrical.Cut.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-ETHiCS.mkv.torrent

Sword In The Stone has an awesome open matte hd streaming rip with no DNR.

Cinderalla of Thunderbean is actually 16mm not 35mm. Don’t know about the other Thunderbeans.

WaltWiz1901 said:

JadedSkywalker said:

On Thunderbean what is the 1967 feature, and 1973 feature?

I don’t want to order them unless they are Jungle Book and Robin Hood.

The 1967 and 1973 features are The Jungle Book and Robin Hood (and they’re both open-matte). Thunderbean always addresses the Disney film prints they sell on disc as “[year of release] features” (for somewhat obvious reasons).

Redbreast1 said:

But Sleeping Beauty is 1959… whereas Cinderella is 1950? So which is right? Does anyone know?

It’s more likely Cinderella.

Interesting…open matte. That would make them more desirable for these titles. So I guess add these 2 for the film scans list.

I meant Cinderella don’t know why I said Sleeping Beauty.

SkinnyV said:

Starbond9 said:

Yes please release it, Id still like to see it

It was already released:)

I think he means version 2.0

RU.08 said:

I’ll be doing Lion King hopefully this year, hopefully we’ll be re-scanning SOTS sometime and BATB hopefully later in the year from a better print. I’ll also be digitising several classics this year from a collection, we’re just working out how best to get the films cleaned first and then they’ll all be transferred en-mass (or as we can afford to) and I should be able to share with donors. For example, we can scan 3 or 4 distinctly separate Snow White prints on 35 and 16mm. There’s something like 20 prints probably covering about 8 classics we can scan in that collection.

I’m still hamstring by funding though.

Lion King would be so awesome and so needed!

Regarding Snow White, I believe Thunderbean did it

https://www.thunderbeanshop.com/product/1937-feature-special-blu-ray-bdr/

Sleeping Beauty as well

https://www.thunderbeanshop.com/product/1950-feature-special-blu-ray/

fmalover said:

I don’t know about a 35mm scan of Song of the South, only a 16mm scan available on myspleen.

This is one of the releases on myspleen:

V2 Disney’s Song Of The South [35mm Restoration]

Song Of The South is well known as the “Banned” Disney Movie, with no official DVD or Blu-ray of any type, with the highest quality official version being a Japanese Laserdisk. This is based off of a 1080p 35mm scan, this is a huge improvement over most versions.

SpacemanDoug said:

Off topic but might wanna fix that typo lol

I know Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Lion King are others that exist but they’re donor exclusive

Aladdin is not donor exclusive. The one I have even has an uncensored audio track.

I’d love to see that Lion King one. Disney changed so much for that. I do have a laserdisc rip. Would be nice to delete it.

I know there’s

Song of the South
Aladdin
Lady and the Tramp (not 2.55:1 OAR, it’s cropped to 2.35:1)

What else is out there?

Here’s a comparison of the LD, blu, and shots from the TonyWDA 35mm project.

LD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/93/e2/zKKAxg1A_t.png

2000 DVD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/be/c0/jG3MbZL4_t.jpg

2010 blu: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c3/f3/5N8CwTYS_t.jpg

35mm: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/fe/ea/IBa44W9U_t.png

Here it seems the blu ray is closest to 35mm colors.

On the other hand, look at this comparison:

LD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a9/45/o82fTs5m_t.png

2010 blu: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/71/a2/9ptp4l9C_t.jpg

35mm: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/37/e8/Ck48FlYF_t.jpg

Here the LD colors are closest to 35mm!

So who knows which colors are the most correct.

I must say though I do prefer the laserdisc colors in both cases. Regardless which colors are correct, the 2010 colors are look like the picture was dipped in blue jello and photographed from above the surface. The laserdisc colors seem richer and more varied. In the second one for instance, the laserdisc captures the essence of the hell and fire so much better than the 2010 one. The 2010 is lame in that respect. Another reason to be glad this laserdisc restoration now exists.

I’d say this Laserdisc restoration is the most definitive version that exists, even if it doesn’t look the best on HD TVs.

UncutIsSuperior said:

Class316 said:

No need for that since we have the laserdisc. At this point people should work uncensoring the blu ray or getting a 35mm scan.

The blu ray footage edited to fix censorship and made to fit the audio tracks of the version I released would be a good project someone can work on now. Then people can have a choice between the laserdisc image and the HD blu ray one while still retaining full video, original audio, and Deems Taylor’s voice.

I’ve actually done an uncensored version of either the DVD or Blu-Ray version.

You have? Share the love then! The only one I’ve seen is the uncensored DVD on myspleen and that crashes on VLC (therefore you have the run the vob files directly).

UncutIsSuperior said:

SkinnyV said:

While we are waiting for the ultimate version, I worked on it for the past two weeks or so and have made my own restoration of the 1990 CAV LaserDisc version of Fantasia for those that are interested. This obviously won’t beat what poita is working on, but should be pretty decent to have while waiting. Its funny how we went for years without much for Fantasia restoration, and suddenly have two released on the same week almost at the same time lol

Nice. I was going to make an uncensored version of that same version, using the 1991 VHS version of the movie.

No need for that since we have the laserdisc. At this point people should work uncensoring the blu ray or getting a 35mm scan.

The blu ray footage edited to fix censorship and made to fit the audio tracks of the version I released would be a good project someone can work on now. Then people can have a choice between the laserdisc image and the HD blu ray one while still retaining full video, original audio, and Deems Taylor’s voice.