[Brodnation said:]
I’m not on myspleen, is their anywhere else it can be found?
I am unaware of any other place. The filename is FANTASIA (1990 Remaster).mkv
Yes correct it is 9gb not sure why I typed 60.
Also for those interested here is the write up on it. Be cool if someone could insert the censored bits to it.
This is the 1990 remaster of Fantasia transferred from the CAV LaserDisc boxset, released in January of 1991. This serves not only as a preservation of the 1990 remaster, but of the LaserDisc itself as this is one of numerous disc sets that has disc rot issues which will intensify with time.
Several noticeable differences to other, more modern releases include:
-Color timing is much brighter, especially in the “Nutcracker Suite” section of the film
-A recreation of the 1940 intermission card is used as a title, as opposed to the 1941 “RKO” titlecard used for the 81-minute cut and all post-2000 releases
-Alternate shots with the orchestra in darkness are used for Taylor’s narration; later cuts restore Taylor’s speaking footage
-Deems Taylor’s narration, which was replaced by an actor’s redub in post-2000 releases of the film due to deteriorated optical soundtracks
-A ~115 minute runtime made to resemble the 1946 release of the film (which restored Toccata and Fugue), as opposed to the 124-minute 1940 Roadshow version
-An end credits sequence, which all other versions lack
This boxset suffers laser rot to some degree due to the glue used; thankfully here, it’s contained to the very beginning of each side. It will be most noticeable in the beginning of the film but each subsequent disc/side has less visual “disc rot”.
Transferred using a DVL-90 player, DMR-ES15 passthrough to an AJA Kona LHe card using the S-video input.
Captured as a raw image sequence which was then ran through QTGMC and exported as a 10-bit 4.2.2 H.264 video through ffmpeg (Placebo setting).
(The film runs at 59.94p to better preserve the LaserDisc image as the high framerate and raw modulated image combine to create a “clearer” picture to the eye.)
Digital audio track piped from the DVL-90 to an X-fi Titanium card, bit-matched and recorded as a 44100Hz 16-bit PCM; the file is directly muxed to the .mkv.
Analogue audio was transferred using the AJA KONA LHe card and exported as a monaural Opus file.
Captions were transferred by way of DVD burning on the Panasonic DMR-ES15, ripped using MakeMKV/MKVCleaver and corrected to the .mkv timing in SubtitleEdit.
Chapter stops and titles are direct from the “Chapter Index” insert in the CAV boxset.
Hey, all. Apologies for being so MIA, but rest assured I have most certainly not forgotten about the project. I somehow managed to get a hold of the 1982 reissue trailer and will be having it scanned along with the other trailers as soon as possible. Mag audio samples will be cooked up soon as well. Stay tuned.
God bless you! Hope we finally have our perfect Fantasia! And to hell with the official Disney DVDs and Blus of this.
Not sure if it helps you in any way but on myspleen there’s a 60GB release of the CAV laserdisc.
On myspleen there’s actually a full 60GB release of the CAV LD. Be cool if someone put the censored bits back.
I’m pretty sure that’s just the 1990 re-release.
It is. But it’s the closest any home release has come to the original.
On myspleen there’s actually a full 60GB release of the CAV LD. Be cool if someone put the censored bits back.
Does anyone know where one can get restored versions of Disney classics? Myspleen has Song of the South, a Lion King laserdisc rip, but not much else.
Can anyone hook me up on a link for this? Or an invite to Blutopia?
So did a 35mm HD scan of this ever surface?
I got the laserdisc rip from myspleen.
I don’t want to reveal too much about what I want to do w/ the audio just yet, but as far as the interstitials go, for now, the truncated versions are all I can use as the release containing the extended audio (brought up in the main post) has not yet surfaced as of this writing, and suddenly muting Taylor’s audio to turn on subtitles for prolonged periods is less a cohesive experience than I was planning on creating. At the moment I’m not entirely sure I would go through the trouble of cutting together a truncated version of the 2000 dub, either. I’m honestly not too fond of it and as it turns out, many other fans aren’t, either. Perhaps the dubbed interstitials could be provided as individual bonus features for those who have never even bothered purchasing any official release and want to see the original footage play out completely.
I’d be all for truncated versions in the main feature plus the full footage with dub as extras. Anything to finally see this restored as intended as much as possible.
Every Fantasia project seems to die hope this one come to fruition.
The biggest challenge will have to be how to handle the Deems audio. Do you put the shortened intros? Do you put the full video with Deems where available and subs where not? Do you provide the dub as an alternate track?
Been down for a few days for me too.
aww man I love that place hope it’s not out
Can’t seem to connect to myspleen or the forums right now
Here’s an update from him, and I quote
Basically, all the material is gathered up and awaiting its turn in my queue of crazy projects. I should be ready to start playing around with it soon. The good news is that once I do get started, I’m really not anticipating much of a lengthy gestation period. Of course, if some other fanboy geek over at originaltrilogy gets to it before I do, that’s cool too… but you can let them know I haven’t forgotten about it (in fact, the bluray and the old DVD box are sitting on a shelf two feet away from me along with the DVD for my other Blu-Ray project awaiting its turn, the long cut of Bedknobs and Broomsticks).
Any updates on this project? Looking forward to it!
Not very much. Spoke to a guy on myspleen who authored the uncensored DVD version on there and made sure that he has all the material and info he needs. Said he would work on it. This was a while ago though haven’t heard back. IMO if anyone can do what needs to be done it’s him. He even talked about multiple audio tracks.
Dunno why they ever changed that alligator scene. It was changed from good to downright dumb.
Would be cool to insert the altered scenes into the blu ray footage.
PCM tracks successfully uploaded! Do not clog the thread with requests, please ask only in PM. These links are not to be publicly posted anywhere without my permission, thanks.
Awesome, thanks so much! It’s great that this is finally made into digital form.
Now we literally have all best available elements to restore Fantasia to its 1940s glory.
Blu Ray
DVD
LD sound
HD Sunflower footage
I would love to see this finished project.
IMO a project like that is looooonnng overdue
I would love to see this finished project.
IMO a project like that is looooonnng overdue
The 1990 release had closing credits, unlike other releases. AFAIK the US VHS and laserdisc are the only places where said closing credits can be found.
Since LD will be your main audio source, what source would you use to fill the gaps for the missing audio in the pastoral symphony and where no Deems available?
OK, so as soon as I have all the materials gathered together, I’ll do the following with the visuals:
- Attempt to align the 35mm footage I’ve received in digital form as closely with the Blu-ray footage as possible, and crop accordingly (hopefully, very little, if any, of the 35mm footage should be trimmed);
- Clean up the same 35mm footage;
- Recolor the Blu-ray footage to match the 35mm footage as closely as possible; and
- For the 1990 theatrical version, recreate the closing credits.
My release, once complete, will consist of the uncensored roadshow version with the unedited Pastoral Symphony and as much of the original Deems Taylor audio as possible, and the 1990 theatrical version, also with the unedited Pastoral Symphony. The main audio track will be as close a recreation of the original Fantasound experience as possible, with additional tracks in mono 1.0, stereo 2.0, Dolby Stereo 4.0, and Dolby Digital 5.1.
ETA: I almost forgot to mention, apart from being the main audio source where possible, the laserdisc release will also be used as a timing reference for the 1990 theatrical version.
Sounds awesome. Hope you make this your priority project, cause as I mentioned, Fantasia is in dire need of some releases.
Not sure if you need it, but I have the 2000 DVD release with the censored bits added back. I got that from myspleen. The source for censored bits is fairly bad but it is VERY well inserted. Maybe you could see how well that is done. Or maybe you’d need it for the audio source? In any case if you need it I can get it to you.
Also, what’s this about closing credits recreation? Educate me.
If this “perfect” edition isn’t the 1990 reissue edition with the uncensored Pastoral Symphony, I’d be much interested in making that one of my (admittedly very many) projects at some point in the near future.
By all means if you want to take that task and come up with something, please do so. As I’ve said before it amazes me how many versions of Song of the South and OT Star Wars we have. Yet almost nothing for Fantasia.
IMO this is the perfect Fantasia:
Blu Ray footage
Sunflower scenes from HD 35mm inserted in
LD Audio for most of the footage (including Deems where available)
DVD audio or 90s CD soundtrack audio for the Sunflower scenes where missing from LD audio
DVD audio dub for missing Deems voice
This basically restores Fantasia to the 1940 as much as possible using all the best available elements today.
The PCM audio capture is done. I just need to finish listening to it to make sure it’s good. If my internet gets upgraded next week as scheduled, I can try uploading it as I should have better speeds that I get with DSL, which is being phased out around here.
Will try to get to the video capture soon as I get the other player hooked back up to the DVD recorder.
You’re the best!
Any updates from anyone?
Does anyone have the Soundtrack CD that came out in the 90s? This uses the same mix as the laserdisc and the Pastoral track can actually be used to fill in the missing gaps of the LD audio (due to the censored bits). Perhaps someone can rip a HQ wav file from the CD.
Hopefully this month. I’ve been dealing with health issues, and we’re getting one storm after another out here in California. The last one caused some blackouts, which finally killed the battery on my UPS/surge protector for my vintage gear. I need to replace that or move stuff around and hook things up elsewhere.
The replacement batteries are so pricey, it’s actually cheaper just to buy a new unit.
Ok. Get well. Looking forward to it.