@Class316 saw that too! It’s definitely a very cool project. Though it is totally separate from this, which is a 35mm scan.
I’m now in correspondence with gweedo16 about this scan. 😃
That’s awesome!
Found this on myspleen
Eyes Wide Shut (1999) Uncensored Open Matte 1080p Upscale
I used Topaz for this. It looks great to me. Let me know what you think. (Especially about the grain. I used the 5 setting hoping for the best.)
I used the old PAL DVD from Rutracker so I’d be starting at 576i resolution compared to the 480i rez version here at the spleen. I used an eac3to guide I discovered recently to slowdown the video and audio from 25fps to 23.976fps. Very slick. From what I’ve read eac3to corrects pitch which I know folks would like here. I included the audio track from the NTSC spleen DVD for those that don’t want to use the converted audio. It should sync perfectly. Subtitles in the mkv are from the NTSC spleen DVD. From the MediaInfo it definitely looks like it’s BluRay compliant.
VIDEO SAMPLES (5 minutes each):
SD 576i SAMPLE:
https://mega.nz/file/iVUxVRzJ#XxuuURJ7AVejPXPuAfWtblpuxa6pWGwilfhJ_Ob0qIM
HD 1080p SAMPLE:
https://mega.nz/file/uJU2HQ6L#QSkeqKjU6qBS2fnFcHfkXrOLYR1z4KtqgA9LJnlOZ5I
You guys seem to be interested in the “snow cones” censorship part of the forum. Well, here is a comparison of both the 3D blu-ray & the 2009 blu-ray:
As you can clearly see, the censored version (right) loses the detail of the snow cones as seen on the uncensored version (left).
If you can’t see the image, go here: https://imgur.io/a/QhGfpiY
Are the snow cones really censored? What am I seeing that they don’t want me to see there?
Why were the snow cones changed?
My guess on that, they didn’t want it to look like someone pissed on those cones.
What source did you use for the censored scenes?
You guys seem to be interested in the “snow cones” censorship part of the forum. Well, here is a comparison of both the 3D blu-ray & the 2009 blu-ray:
As you can clearly see, the censored version (right) loses the detail of the snow cones as seen on the uncensored version (left).
If you can’t see the image, go here: https://imgur.io/a/QhGfpiY
Damn. That is weird that they would censor something like that.
So the end credit outakes are in none of the home versions?
The excitement for this 35mm release is on a new level. It’s quite awesome to see. I haven’t even put it on torrent sites yet.
Back in February 2021, almost a year into the COVID pandemic, the world finally saw a Fantasia release in its authentic form. Uncensored, with Fantasound (or the closest we have to it), and Deems Taylor’s narration. It started with something relatively simple. Basically the laserdisc release with censored and missing video and audio from the Pastoral Symphony inserted back in. Since then, the quality and choices for this have have exceeded my wildest dreams and expectations. It’s honestly in the “too good to be true” realm.
Lots of people contributed to all of this in some form or another. Both knowingly and unknowingly. Be it in guidance, materials, edits, time, or otherwise. But in largest part, thanks to CMGF’s work for bringing all the resources and knowledge together and consolidating them into the edits we have now.
While there is always room of improvement like cleaning up or fixing current releases or new and better materials being made available for use in the future, if these are all that will exist I’d say we are in good shape. Not bad from basically nothing in 2020.
Here are links detailing the latest versions of every release:
90s master:
This uses the early 90s Disney master (free of Disney “retouching”) as the primary video source. This master is the same one that exists in the Library of Congress and used for the early 90s VHS and laserdisc releases. Sourced from the early 2000s Australian PAL DVD released by Disney (which by some odd miracle uses the early 90s master for its video).
Blu:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-Blu-Ray-Restoration-V1-0/id/99856
This uses the blu ray footage as the primary video source. Sourced from the 2010 US blu ray released by Disney.
35mm:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-35mm-Restoration-1-0-released/id/101085
This uses a 1956 35mm film scan as the primary video source.
Do you have a comparison of the snow cone censorship you’re speaking of? I can’t seem to find one online.
so this is the best way to watch fantasia as of 2022?
Depends on your taste. There’s these 2 restorations as well.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-Blu-Ray-Restoration-V1-0/id/99856
In terms of audio they are all the same. And all are uncensored. So depends which video source you prefer.
But yes these 3 restorations are the best most authentic ways to view Fantasia as of 2022.
Just being silly of course. Wow, all you guys’ work here on OT with these Fantasia’s (TonyWDA’s thread too)… fascinating watching all these releases stepping higher and higher up the quality ladder, all the approaches…! Thanks so much for sharing not only the end results but the (telling the) steps!
I have to agree the levels we have reached exceeded even my dreams and expectations. And yes I believe it should be clear where everything is sourced from and what has been done. Not only so people know what they are downloading and watching, but in this case to also make it clear that these Fantasia releases are not fan edits. They are fan restorations of Walt’s own edits!
Just when you thought the flow of new Fantasia stuff would be extinguished, CMGF of originaltrilogy.com just came through with another amazing contraption and did more incredible work on it. To sum up, he obtained a 1956 scan of Fantasia (which is uncensored by default), restored the aspect ratio back to 4:3, patched up the lens switch scenes with footage from Thunderbean’s 35mm release, and synched it all with the patched laserdisc tracks from previous releases! The result is a mind blowing 35mm release that I didn’t think we’d be getting anytime soon! Here is his write up, starting with a disclaimer:
–start–
DISCLAIMER:
The 35mm footage we used is not from our scan and was supposed to be in originaltrilogy.com’s poita’s Fantasia project. I was given this by a member of originaltrilogy.com who worked with him, and I didn’t plan to release anything, but learning that the project is no longer being worked on, I thought it was a shame if no one would ever be able to view this print. So I contacted Class316 and we decided to let you all see this. All credit for the scan goes to poita and his coworkers.
This is the 1956 release of Fantasia on 35mm, squeezed back to 4:3 and synced with the two patched laserdisc tracks: Fantasound and mono. A minor color correction has been done on it, mainly because of the need to fix some brightness/ contrast issues. Also, the 15-minute intermission was inserted back in, using the opening card from Thunderbean’s 35mm release (which is similar to the intermission card).
We used the 1956 print as the main source for the video, but most of it is stretched to widescreen, and in some scenes there’s a lens switch to move between 4:3 and 2:20. As a result, those scenes were not usable and were replaced with Thunderbean’s 35mm release and color corrected to match the rest of the video.
A scene from the opening is missing on the laserdisc version, so it didn’t sync with the 35mm footage. For the Fantasound mix, I had a stereo mag soundtrack of the opening. For the mono mix, I used Thunderbean’s optical mono to replace the partially missing audio from the Laserdisc mono track.
It took a lot of time to get this one done, so I hope you all enjoy it!
–end–
Glad to see this project alive. It all looks great! If anything is no good I’m glad it’s the sound after all we have enough sources for that.
I hope this project isn’t dead, but in the meantime there are two great releases of Fantasia that exist. Two more than what existed in January 2021.
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-Blu-Ray-Restoration-V1-0/id/99856
Yes, folks, CMGF of originaltrilogy.com came through with another fantastic release! This time restoring Fantasia in HD using the blu ray footage as a basis and adding back Fantasound, Deems Taylor’s voice, and the censored Pastoral symphony scenes.
Some might still prefer the early 90s master that the laserdisc and early 2000s Australian DVD use as opposed to the more modern Disney “retouching” (and those restorations will never be replaced), but if someone wants some blu ray quality footage of a restored Fantasia for their HD TV, this option is finally here thanks to him!
Here is his write up, and I quote:
–start–
-This version of Fantasia is the Blu Ray footage, but with the 2 patched laserdisc tracks that were used in previous releases (1990 Fantasound and mono mix) and the Censored scenes added back. Some remarks on it:
-For the Sunflower segments, Thunderbean’s 35mm release has been used. If anyone wants to clean them up so they’d fit better into the digitally restored Blu Ray footage, this can make a V2.
-The video of the shorter intros does not exist on the Blu Ray, so it was sourced from the Australian PAL DVD.
-A scene from the opening is missing on the laserdisc version, so it didn’t sync with the Blu Ray footage. For the Fantasound mix, I had a stereo mag soundtrack of the opening. For the mono mix, I used Thunderbean’s optical mono to replace the partial missing audio from the Laserdisc mono track.
-The audio and video in this release sync a bit differently than in previous releases. This is not an editing mistake - since this is a Blu Ray based version, I used the Blu Ray as a syncing reference rather than the Laserdisc. It made the whole thing more difficult, but it has been done accurately.
–end–
I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form
A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references
It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes
Some of the new eps have fire references. Why would they remove from the old ones?
it has to do with the episode Comedians, when it aired a family claimed their son set the house on fire because of that episode he saw on TV (though this turned out to be a hoax) and MTV freaked out and censored prior episodes removing fire references or scenes for future broadcasts and apparently they destroyed the uncensored masters, meaning that they “officially” only exist censored now supposedly
since Sporting Goods is its censored version on Paramount+ (iirc it only aired uncensored once), it seems like that certain edits are baked in to the early episodes now
Thank God for the King Turd release. They may not be the best quality but it’s ok. Everything is uncensored.
I do know for a fact the episodes won’t be in their original form
A lot of the early episodes after the fire controversy had their original masters altered to remove fire references
It’s also possible Judge himself won’t allow certain moments to be seen again or entire episodes
Some of the new eps have fire references. Why would they remove from the old ones?
Never saw Fantasia before, I’ll wait for this version to be released before I see it.
I understand what you’re saying but you may be waiting a long while. In the meantime you should consider this release
I’d say this release is the best way to view Fantasia right now.
Fantasia is public domain in Japan now, but this DVD was released in 2000. So I’m pretty sure it is an official copy.
Could have been like 2003. But basically yes.
Well this one surely doesn’t seem like a bootleg or something that would be public domain
https://i.ibb.co/qM8KG7r/20220903-123753.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/1vWCjjY/20220903-123811.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/vz7bv3W/20220903-123855.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/xGt5nv1/20220903-124053.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/2sxFXb8/20220903-124115.jpg
So a Japanese DVD was finally obtained, and it was largely a disappointment.
It is really a weird thing. The intros are just like what we wanted. The shortened intros just like the laserdisc. But the animation is the same as the USA DVD! What the hell?
And not that it has much of an impact on us, but to boot the English track of the DVD doesn’t have any narration. This really seems like more of a bootleg than an official release (and it isn’t a bootleg).
So sadly this won’t help us for the main thing we wanted. To make the restored laserdisc edition even better.
But it helps us in another way. We want to do a 2000 US DVD release with the shortened Deems intro, uncensored Pastoral, and Fantasound. So the NTSC intros here will at least be useful for that.
You fixed Fantasia! This audio sounds how it’s supposed to. I immediately went to Night on Bald Mountain and Ave Maria. It sounds like my vinyl and the rears are the way I remember from 1990 (and as described in accounts of Fantasound). Made me teary…
Thanks.
Glad you like it. In case you haven’t seen it I PM’d you links.
Was this ever gotten?
Yes and no. I know a guy from bluray.com who says he ordered a copy from another place besides ebay and is hoping it’s the right one. Supposed to arrive mid August.
So still waiting. I got no donations for this yet but also not shutting it till I have the rip on hand.
I found one for $45 shipped in “very good” condition. Need a few people who can chip in $5-$10 for this. Essentially it is to upgrade this:
The video is basically the same transfer as the PAL version of early 2000s fantasia but in NTSC.
My guess is that whatever print they had for the mag audio was too physically compromised to pull a stable sound capture. I can tell you from personal experience that Fantasia’s a tough find in good condition w/ the mag stereo mix; more than half the time, the colors turned almost entirely to red, the print has vinegar syndrome, and/or each reel has warped to some degree. The funny thing is that Thunderbean’s release does use the mag mix for the interstitial segments, but that’s it, and those portions also spread the LCR channels across the six-channel field.
Regarding the frames that are entirely red (and other color issues), wouldn’t it be possible to painstakingly fix each of these frames and adjust the color to where the problem is greatly alleviated?
Really hope your project becomes a reality for us all. We need that perfect edition of Disney’s Fantasia. And this may be it.
It is truly insane that more than 20 years after the Internet became a staple of life, the laserdisc restoration releases I spearheaded and Thunderbean’s 35mm release are the only true alternatives to Disney’s official releases. And even those only began to exist in the last couple of years.
For now, this would be the best way to watch Fantasia: https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Fantasia-Special-Edition-Laserdisc-Restoration-with-Sunflower-v2-2/id/96261
