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#135715
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.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/135715/action/topic#135715
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You've been buying your printable CDs from the wrong places if two cost more than a one DL DVD+R !


The XviD ANH is completed and a copy on it's way to segaflip, the NTSC DVD is getting quite near completion, film audio+video is done, just set to on encoding the extras footage tonight for the both the PAL & NTSC versions (easier to do both at the same time) which means now I know what's going to be on the ANH disc I can work on the menus. Not looking forward to doing the chapter stops though, the one part of authoring DVDs that annoys me, don't know wether to spend ages duplicating the stops on one of my laserdisc sets or make my own, think I'll make my own.

I'll order some DL discs on tuesday when I got some money coming in - both the NTSC & PAL ANH DVDs are getting that close to completion.
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#135143
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aspect ratio
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/135143/action/topic#135143
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They're bastardising 4:3 source material on UK tv nowadays, cropping it to some weird 'widescreen' format that isn't quite 4:3 and isn't quite 16:9, so on a 4:3 tv you get thin black bars on the top/bottom but on a widescreen tv in 4:3 non-zoom mode you get the same thin black bars but also big black bars on the sides too! and if you put the 16:9 tv in zoom mode it fills the screen but crops some of the top/bottom of the picture.

So if you're watching the 4:3 material they cropped to their strange 'widescreen' format on a widescreen tv in zoom mode then you're missing out on the top/bottom and sides of the original picture!
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#134457
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/134457/action/topic#134457
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I thought they said the next generation of storage medium was going to be here in a few months, a few months ago? I'm not waiting around for new format that when it's finally released will cost the earth and won't be widespread - that's partly why I'm doing normal DVD versions in PAL and NTSC formats (only doing the NTSC format for the poor people who can't play PAL ), as for the unconventionality of my XviD version, well Star Wars was a pretty unconventional film when it was made...
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#134320
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/134320/action/topic#134320
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Originally posted by: Doctor M
I'm not sure what you're trying to accomplish then with the Xvid version.
Two words which you should've picked up on by now if you'd read this thread: my projector.
t's not more portable (for distribution) than a DVD and it's quality won't be any better (or worse).
No that is incrrect, the XviD version looks much better played back on a PC screen with plain Windows Media player than the anamorphic DVD encode on a software DVD player - before the video is scaled to resolutions for DVD & XviD it's at a square pixel width of 1280, upscaled that that resolution using an edge directed resampler so the picture looks clearer than using bicubic or lanczos3 resizing.
It's not meant to be more portable (for distrubition) because it's meant for me for my 1024 pixel width projector, but because other people seem to want copies I'm sending a couple out.
You basically have just made a second DVD version that's largely standalone player incompatible.

It's not another DVD version, just because something is stored on a DVD it doesn't automatically make it a DVD in the sense that you can just put it into a DVD player and watch it, DVD-R just happens to be the cheapest and easiest way of storing the XviD version.
A 2 CD Xvid version would have been a great idea for portability and quality.
I guess I'll just say 'whatever' and get your DVD version when that's out.

Yes, "whatever".



DarkGruson, sorry I didn't see the 2nd email from you, been busy with eBay auctions (got two dozen ending right now) and despite my ISP having spam filtering there's still a ton getting through
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#134272
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/134272/action/topic#134272
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4000+kbps is not insane when you have 4.3gb available space on a DVD-R, plus the higher the bitrate the less compression (the source video is 30gb remember) and smaller blocks used to compress the frames, especially important when you're going to view the video on a 5 foot wide screen where any compression artefacts stick out like a sore thumb.

As for AC3, I tried comparing a clip of video with AC3 and then wav and the only difference I noticed was that the AC3 audio was slightly quieter but nothing significant.

The XviD file has now been created and I muxed the AC3 with it but oddly my media player crashes when you try to skip to any part of the video, so I re-encoded the audio as 256kbps mp3 using VirtualDub and there's zero problems with skipping to any part of the video. Plus there's good news for W95/W98 users, the final file came out at 4.02gb so I re-compressed the end credits slightly smaller, the full resulting file is now 3.99gb and plays fine on my Win98 PC. Now to do the subtitles...
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#134051
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/134051/action/topic#134051
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Hmm, was thinking about trying an SRT file but I've had bad troubles with subtitle overlaying with avis (it was probably DirectVobSub) but not with ffdshow which I was planning on putting in with the release because it can handle the XviD and AC3 decoding in a single program instead of having to install separate codecs, because it can do subtitles too I'll have a go at making an SRT file.
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#133805
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133805/action/topic#133805
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Great stuff, I've just uploaded an 80 second sample from the encode:


SW-ANH-Citizen-sample.avi - 43.2mb, XviD compressed, 2.0 AC3 audio (direct off the NTSC DVD version), 23.976fps, 1024x436 resolution


It looks so much better on my PC 1024x768 res projector than the NTSC DVD encode on a software player, I think the XviD compression helps remove some of the grain.

Just remembered I'm going to have to update that AviSynth image overlay script to cope with image masks because I'll have to burn-in Greedo's subtitles over the picture for this release, which means more subtitle work, ugh.
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#133796
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.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133796/action/topic#133796
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Because I'm still busy with trying to clear a shedload of stuff I can't work on the menus/extras for ANH so I'm encoding the XviD version of ANH right now because I don't need to do any mastering just encode, then I'll post a copy or two to people who can upload it to usenet/torrent. Because the filesize will probably be over 4gb you won't be able to view it on a 95/98 system, it's for XP/2000 systems - no complaining! it's my release and I'll encde it how I want
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#133656
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133656/action/topic#133656
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In with the haul of office clearance stuff I've got to sell or throw away was a 650mhz P3 laptop which I'm hoping to keep for myself (just needs a new battery) and I've been testing video clips on it, importantly my DVD transfer of ANH which for some reason looks incredibly grainy on the laptop's LCD, moreso than on my tv, CRT monitors & LCD projector, I want to put it down to cheap graphics chipset in the laptop but Shrek 2 looks great on the laptop's screen.
I get the feeling LCD screens are very unforgiving with non-DVD sourced video, while watching other stuff in DivX/XviD on the laptop I noticed you could see the compression blocks easily whilst on a normal tv or CRT they look fine, incedentally the 1024 pixel with XviD test clip of ROTJ looks great on the laptop.
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#133533
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133533/action/topic#133533
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To do the test disc I sent to Mitch I used some re-authoring program (forget which) that allowed me to just strip out a load of chapters, leaving the video & audio intact (plus menus if there were any), so using this program it should be possible to spit out two almost identical SL DVDs from the DL DVD, one with the first half of the film and the other with the 2nd half plus the extras and nothing re-encoded or dropped to save space.
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#133486
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133486/action/topic#133486
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I've posted Mitch a 40min sample disc in NTSC format because he has a big screen and sound setup that the sample will hopefully look good on, encoded at dual-layer bitrate with the 3 audio tracks destined for the final DL disc.
It's a bit unnerving sending out a sample of work that people have been anticipating for a while now, here's hoping he likes what he sees/hears because so far all anyone here has seen of my efforts has been some screenshots and an old test clip from ROTJ which I haven't actually started work on transferring yet.

Trilogy transfer is on pause, still doing eBay stuff at the moment and for the next week or so, there's about 9 P3 systems downstairs I've got to check/sell/throw from an office clearance, if I can sell enough stuff I should be able to keep the 650mhz P3 laptop.
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#133104
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/133104/action/topic#133104
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dark_jedi, surely if you do it that way the layer change position is out of your hands? as for distribution, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Doctor M, if there's a lot of pressure from people to do a SL version I might do it but this set is my project for me and I want to do DL. I'm still at least a week or two away till ANH is 100% complete, taking things slow and steady and not rushing anything, going to have to take a break for a couple of days while I do some eBay listing as it's 5p listing day tomorrow and I've got a shedload (almost literally) of stuff to get shot of and I've got to somehow pay for the extortionate prices of DL blanks.

Once I've done ANH, ESB & ROTJ shouldn't take so long because I know what needs to be done and how to go about doing it, I'm still learning new stuff during the creation of ANH, the first big set I learnt on was ReBoot.
I made a 7-disc set of the entire 4 seasons of ReBoot in PAL & NTSC formats, was doing ok with that till I got contacted by Mainframe the creators luckily there was no reprimand but I can't distribute it anymore. Going to be re-doing my personal set when I've completed SW because the first two seasons were from 1st generation VHS recordings of the UK broadcasts (it was created in PAL format despite the company being Canadian), and now I have the 9 PAL Russian DVDs of seasons 1-3 that are infinitely better than the VHS recordings - cost over £40 and took 2 months to arrive from Russia but was worth it.
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#132981
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132981/action/topic#132981
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Yes the vob files will spread across 2 normal DVD-Rs but from what I've been reading up on you'll have trouble burning it correctly, remember that we're dealing with 2 layers and you need to specify where the layer change occurs, and an iso will contain the necessary information about the layer change and how to deal with it (reading the 2nd layer from the outside edge to center - the standard for films, or the center to outside edge) because it's a full disc structure instead of just the files.
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#132956
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132956/action/topic#132956
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For the moment I've dropped the idea of doing SL versions and just sticking to DL versions, don't want to have to author double the amount of discs (menus, chapter stops, video re-encoding etc.).
Perhaps the easiest way for me to distribute DL versions is to rar up the iso so it'll fit on two normal discs, the recipient then unrar's & burns the iso themselves with something like DVD Decrypter.
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#132905
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***The Official FAN CREATED DVD Reviews and Feedback Thread***
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132905/action/topic#132905
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A conventional CRT screen may have inferior resolution to some plasmas/LCDs/DLPs but CRTs can display the output pixel-for-pixel whilst the other displays all have to be scaled to display NTSC or PAL, and not forgetting that not all plasmas are even PAL resolution (853x480 seems to be the norm for cheap displays)

Although saying that I do watch films on a 15" LCD, but with one very important difference to bongloads, it's got a 400watt bulb behind it
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#132754
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Info Wanted: Best way to do reviews for the OT Preservations?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132754/action/topic#132754
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The 'multiple speakers on one board' system looks like it's a great alternative to getting a 5.1 etc. setup except your room would have to have enough flat wallspace for the sound to bounce off of.

I find it kinda weird someone doesn't like surround audio (unless you're old ), I managed to cobble together quite a nice setup fairly cheaply, Sony Trinitron 28" widescreen tv £150 ex-rental, Yamaha RX-V340 £150 inc. 3 year warranty, set of 5 new Yamaha speakers £50 inc. postage (4x 50watt satellites & 60watt center), topped off nicely with a £15 50watt Yamaha sub from a car boot sale
Kinda annoying I can't listen to it too loud for too long periods because of my tinnitus but even at low volumes it still sounds great.

I've still got to sort out digital out on my PC so when I watch films on my homemade projector I can get digital 5.1 instead of analogue 2.0 upmixed with Pro-LogicII.
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#132664
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X-Factors - Blade Runner Project (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132664/action/topic#132664
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Mitch, have sent you Edge, the LD extras (basically a shedload of pics captured from the LD), and my version I did of the Criterion LD (if you have a surround setup, try selecting the 2nd audio track with your DVD remote)

If you're going to put the DC in with the set then use the upcoming HD broadcast if you can, the R1 DC DVD has poor detail compared to the R2 and you'd get a better picture converting the R2 to NTSC if the HD version isn't an option.
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#132530
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/132530/action/topic#132530
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Only if someone with a decent upload speed seeds them, it would take me 5+ days to seed just one dual layer DVD (and that's only if my ADSL connection stays constant, which it doesn't, it dies every weekday evening for about an hour and sometimes late at night keeps disconnecting/reconnecting every few minutes)

You're looking at about 25gb for all 3 films on dual layer, 50gb for them in both formats.