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#137974
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Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137974/action/topic#137974
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d
In CCE I can't mark the source as PAL can I?
No, PAL/NTSC is set in the DVD authoring program which shouldn't accept mpeg footage that isn't PAL resolution/framerate or NTSC resolution/framerate.
I haven't done anything with the audio yet. But can you hear a difference between the AC3 and the PCM audio?

I haven't been able to give it a full test (too early in the morning to turn the volume up) but so far I haven't noticed any difference.
But I always do multipass also on CBR.

That doesn't make sense, how can you gain extra detail if the bitrate is the same on each pass?
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#137973
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.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137973/action/topic#137973
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Originally posted by: Karyudo
Not to mention the fact that an anonymous post to newsgroups is completely untraceable to the originator, making you safer than an armoured car


If you think anything you post to newsgroups can ever be done totally anonymously, then I believe you've got another think coming.

I've posted virtually totally anonymously to usenet in the past, this was a very long time ago, I bounced the connection through a few Windows machines across the globe that hadn't had a certain port closed so they acted as relays. The chances of all the machines having incoming/outgoing connection logs turned on was very slim considering the owners didn't know the built-in redirection port wasn't shut down, or that it even existed.

As for the OOT existing in digital form at a higher quality than a laserdisc capture, I bet someone out there does have it but wouldn't release it somehow even if they wanted to for fear of being tracked down.

Imagine the OOT with properly corrected colours, no grain/dirt and without any motion smearing... I don't recall the X0 team saying anything about being able to 'undo' the motion smearing
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#137957
Topic
Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137957/action/topic#137957
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The video's maximum brightness level is about 2/3 of the maximum available, colour also needs to be boosted slightly, otherwise the video looks ok.

The sample DVD was encoded weirdly, it played ok on WinDVD but the anamorphic bit wasn't set right so everything looked stretched, when I played it through my hardware DVD decoder the video stuttered, so I put SmartRipper on it and extracted the two audio tracks + the video, the stuttering on the tv out of my hardware DVD decoder appears to be because of the weird DVD encode, in the filename of the m2v it says "([0xE0]_Video_NTSC_720x480)" even though it's encoded to PAL format.

I re-authored the 3 files into a new anamorphic test DVD and it played fine on my hardware DVD player and WinDVD.

The audio has been time compressed as with the PAL VHS Moth3r used but the dynamic range has been compressed, I loaded up the extracted PCM into CoolEdit to compare with my definitive collection audio and the explosions just don't have that 'punch' of DC LD audio, most notably during the opening laserblast shots and when the stormtroopers blow the door open.
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#137919
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.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137919/action/topic#137919
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Before I make a potential £2.40 coaster I used DVDshrink on my DL DVD compile and burnt it to a DVD-RW, DVDShrink had to squash the video by 50%, shrinking the video by half sure introduced compression artefacts that weren't there before, but otherwise it was a great test of the menus etc.
Before I burnt any clips to test discs I've been using my Sigma Hollywood+ hardware mpeg decoder card to test full DVDs on my tv and parse the DD to my amp, very very useful to test menus etc. on a 'real' setup before burning anything but the only drawback is the picture quality is bad because of the composite connection, the RGB connection between my main DVD player & tv makes all the difference and that's where the video shines.

Anyhoo the NTSC DL ANH DVD is effectively done so all I got to do now is burn off the first DL disc and make the cover & disc artwork. Tomorrow I think.
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#137909
Topic
Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137909/action/topic#137909
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Downloading the clips now, only another 3+ hours to go... (free hosting but at a download speed cost)

If you're encoding a 1 hour 56 min film across 2 SL DVDs you won't need to do multipass encoding just 1 pass constant bitrate, because of DVD maximum bitrate limitations you won't fill the entire two discs;

1h 56m video with 1536kbps audio, video encode bitrate is a fixed 8227kbps
1h 56m video with 448kbps audio, video encode bitrate is a fixed 9341kbps

the video+audio will end up being 8,327mb (8.13gb)
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#137834
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137834/action/topic#137834
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segaflip & DarkGruson should be receiving my XviD ANH transfer very soon, my NTSC DL DVD of ANH is virtually complete apart from a couple of minor menu additions, so if all goes well over the weekend I'll have the first burned copy on Monday (then I get to do the menu crap all over again for the PAL version... not difficult, just tedious)

Doctor M, ready to bin your 'wheel rebuild' of Moth3r's ANH yet?


In the process of putting the Definitive Collection extras onto the DVD I learnt a couple of new video processing tricks, the one I used for the trailers was that you can cut up a piece of footage into two parts, encode the first as interlaced, the 2nd half do 3:2 pulldown removal then encode as progressive then use pulldown.exe to add the 3:2 pulldown flags, then join the two m2v files together and you have a 'hybrid' NTSC mpeg file that when played on an NTSC tv you get interlaced footage that changes to 3:2 pulldown footage, whilst on a PC with a software player you get interlaced footage that changes to progressive footage.
The other was an easy way of extracting out the slideshow images from captured footage and rebuilding them into a new video clip.


BTW, all this time I've been working on the NTSC DL DVD I've had a no-frills PAL SL DVD I made month ago I've been watching far too much.
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#137491
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137491/action/topic#137491
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The thought of including the French & German audio did flash across my mind but was dashed just as soon as it appeared because of the amount of extra work involved with the subtitles (opening crawl, Greedo's translation and 2 new sets of menus which would be difficult as I don't speak anything except English and computers/internet )
I will be saving the original captured video (30gb) on a pile of blank DVDs, possiblity to do a multi-lingual version would be there but somehow I can't see myself doing it what with most people wanting the DVDs I'm making being able to read/speak English.

The blank DL discs arrived today, a bit too soon as I still haven't finished work on the menus/chapters, was feeling quite ill all day yesterday which meant I couldn't do much of anything but did do a little work on the menus.

edit: ah crap!, I've got to re-encode the main film video again to fit on the DL discs, DVD Identifier is reporting "Blank Disc Capacity: [4,174,842 Sectors = 8,152.0MB = 7.96GB (8.55GB)]" and I'm about 170mb over that limit. The quality won't be noticable from the current encode it's just the annoyance of waiting 7 hours for the multipass mpeg2 encoding.
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#137304
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137304/action/topic#137304
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In simple terms:

If you download the NTSC version, you'll get a version that plays fine on NTSC players.
If you download the PAL version, you'll get a version that plays fine on PAL players.
If you download the XviD version, you'll get a version for playing on your PC, I don't think those DivX capable DVD players will be able to play it.
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#137261
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137261/action/topic#137261
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Originally posted by: Moth3r
Originally posted by: Laserman
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Also, the PAL versions are framed differently, with the PAL version cropped, so missing some picture. That means what is on screen may look better as you have extra resolution and a tighter frame, but it also means you are missing some of the picture completely , which isn't a good thing. If you have a TV with a lot of overscan, then you are really missing out bigtime.
I think you may be overstating this issue. Decisions on framing were made by the telecine operators who did each transfer, just like if you saw the original films in the cinema, then the amount of picture you would have seen was based on the masking decisions made by the projectionist. "Missing out bigtime" would be comparable to the amount of image lost in watching a P&S transfer on a 4:3 TV!

I have to side with Moth3r on this point because it's really not as bad as Laserman is suggesting, I've been checking out my PAL capture right next to my Definitive Collection capture and it's not the whole film just a few scenes where the PAL version is cropped a little more tightly than the NTSC version, we certainly aren't talking P&S level of cropping.
When I've finished my trilogy transfer I was thinking about capping the Definitive Collection again and putting it together with my PAL capture on the same frame, worked out you can put both widescreen images on a 4:3 picture by scaling them to a width of 600 pixels - that way you can watch both versions of the film at the same time and compare the cropping.
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#137250
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137250/action/topic#137250
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I'm actually surprised just how few parts I had to manually break the definitive collection capture of ANH down into to do the 3:2 pulldown, some NTSC LD's I've had to break down into 10+ parts to undo the 3:2 pulldown successfully. I have to undo the 3:2 pulldown of the definitive collection because I'm using the audio from them and need the video to sync with the PAL video capture.
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#137174
Topic
.: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/137174/action/topic#137174
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Thanks DarkGruson after encoding the extras I found there was another 400mb spare so I re-encoded the film's video to a higher bitrate, 7900kbps avg, 8800 max.


I just ordered 10 DL discs and 50 SL discs, I chose printable even though I don't have a printer that'll do them so those who do can print the label themselves, plus I hate the brands logo splashed all over the face. The DL prices are almost reasonable when you get successful burns, but if they fail you end up with £2.40 DL coasters compared to 24p SL coasters.
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#136915
Topic
.: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/136915/action/topic#136915
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Laserman, do you have a small clip of captured footage from the X0? even if it hasn't been treated and it's just raw converted to mpeg2 I'd still like to see because we've only seen a few pics and lots of text explaining what's going on but no moving results yet, it reminds me of a Microsoft joke:


Three women were sitting around talking about their husbands' performance as a lover.

The first woman says "My Husband works as a marriage counselor. He always buys me flowers and candy before we make love. I like that."

The second woman says, "My husband is a motorcycle mechanic. He likes to play rough and slaps me around sometimes. I kinda like that."

The third woman just shakes her head and says, "My husband works for Microsoft. He just sits on the edge of the bed and tells me how great it's going to be when I get it."
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#136661
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Idea: Create the Ultimate Star Wars Torrent Site.
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/136661/action/topic#136661
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Originally posted by: russs15

Maybe you could start by having a site with direct links to all the best torrents and build from that.

Now that's a good idea, trying to 'compete' with the all the other sites out there may be tough but setting up a website with links to the torrent files (you could host the .torrent files on the site itself) with full details about the contents of the torrent, not just the filename(s) within the torrent, including what tracker(s) the torrent uses, what site the torrent came from, wether you need to register on that site to use the torrent and most importantly when the torrent was put on your site or last checked to see wether it's still active or not.

I get the feeling if you can get into webserver scripting there must be programs out there that can tell you how many seeders/leechers there are with an particular torrent (provided you're allowed access, ie if it's a on a registration only tracker)
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#135996
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aspect ratio
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/135996/action/topic#135996
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Uh you do realise that unaltered video footage/stills on a PC screen will look squashed or stretched? - 4:3 NTSC will look squashed, 4:3 PAL will look stretched as will anamorphic PAL and NTSC.

What you have there is a 4:3 NTSC aspect ratio image that hasn't had the aspect ratio corrected for viewing on a PC, for example resize it to 320x240 or 640x480 and it won't look squashed on a PC screen.