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#106319
Topic
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106319/action/topic#106319
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Originally posted by: MeBeJedi"didn't someone even notice how badly the picture was destroyed by the removal of lines?"

NTSC required this. It would have been unplayable otherwise.


At the risk of, and not wishing to sound like an ignorant 3 year old, why?

The Blade Runner LD I captured was in every technical way identical to the DC LDs; NTSC / 2.35:1 letterbox / CAV and showed no signs of missing lines, jagged horizontal lines or what not. Here's an unedited capture from the BR LD (only upped the gamma a little), using exactly the same hardware & software as for the DC LDs, notice the detail on the blue PAN-AM sign and the billboard:

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/BladeRunnerTestPic.jpg


The DVDs I got off suprnova exhibit the same 'jaggies' on near horizontal sharp edges and they were off the definitive LDs too so I'm sure the low picture quality was a result of poor LD mastering.


Now I don't know wether to carry on and make my set from my defintive LDs or try and get the French LDs then dump the definitive LDs back on eBay, recouping my £80, because those PAL captures look superb and I'm not happy with the definitive LD quality.
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#106271
Topic
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106271/action/topic#106271
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Holy crap! that's great! I'm going to have to get that LD set (anyone selling? )

When they were authoring the definitive collection didn't someone even notice how badly the picture was destroyed by the removal of lines? I was a bit gutted to find the picture is like it is, but comparing it to the PAL set they really screwed things up and now I'm even more gutted I shelled out on the definitive collection instead of getting the French PAL set.
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#106264
Topic
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106264/action/topic#106264
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"Nice captures!"

Thanks, previously I'd been trying a huge combination of filters to try and get the results I wanted, till I found a single VirtualDub noise filter that does most of the work. I'm using a Canopus ADVC-100 capturing from a Pioneer CLD-D515, I'd like a better LD player but couldn't justify spending a lot more on something I won't use that much.

I undid the 3:2 pulldown before making the jaggy example stills (they're only cropped) so it's not the interlacing that's at fault but whoever mastered the LDs, the 2.35:1 letterbox Blade Runner LD doesn't suffer from the same jagged/broken horizontal lines as the definitive LDs.

Does anyone have some unedited captures of the PAL SW LDs? specifically where there are some almost-horizontal lines


"Each one has the deathstar THX intro"

"Which intro is this???"

It's when the disc starts, appears to be CGI generated, a sequence where the x-wings fly down to the death star to blow it up by firing into the exhaust port, but when they pull away you see it's the THX logo not the deathstar they blow up.
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#106261
Topic
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106261/action/topic#106261
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Actually I think you're right, I thought these were the Dr_Gonzo discss but apparently not, I got them off Suprnova before it went belly up.
Each one has the deathstar THX intro, anamorphic NTSC with 3:2 pulldown burnt-in, 2 audio tracks - the 2nd being the commentary from the DC discs with player generated subtitles announcing who's actually commentating, chapter pages and production notes pages.
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#106256
Topic
PAL vs NTSC laserdiscs
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/106256/action/topic#106256
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hi all, I have the definitive collection LD's (with the 7 seconds on ESB ) and have been planning on making my own DVDs from them, I have the Gonzo discs and they're ok but two things prevent me from playing them too much; they look out of focus and they have burnt-in 3:2 pulldown which is no good for playing on my projector connected to my PC as 3:2 pulldown kills smooth motion (I hate 3:2).
When I make my set I'll be manually undoing the 3:2 pulldown, not frame by frame but finding the start/stop points & undo settings throughout the video, processing each part individually and then joining them back together after undoing the pulldown, I've done this on a couple of other LDs successfully (Criterion Blade Runner being one of them).

I've noticed someone here's making their own set from the PAL LDs and was wondering if they suffer the same jaggies (?) as the definitive LDs, it seems as though when they mastered the LDs they removed every other line to shrink the image down to letterbox meaning any sharp edge nearly horizontal is broken severly, as can be seen in these 2 unaltered captures:

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDjaggy1.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDjaggy2.jpg

So do the widescreen PAL LDs suffer the same 'curse'? I'd throw some money at getting them if they don't.


This is what I've been getting out of my definitive LD's, still on the test run phase, testing filters and settings to find the one I'm most happy with, I'm pretty pleased with these despite taking 1.4fps to clean up the video on a 2.4ghz P4:

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest1.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest2.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest3.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest4.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest5.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest6.jpg