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Post: #138913
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138913/action/topic#138913
Time: 16-Sep-2005 7:23 AM

I'm burning them on a Pioneer 108 DVR with DVD Decrypyer at 2.4x, because with DVD Decrypter you can specify what sector to place the layer break at, I put it at the start of a scene where the prison guard says something about not being notified about a prison transfer.

edit: I got a reply from the place I bought the discs from, fat lot of bloody good that did me, all it said was that they're usually reliable discs and I should be using the latest drivers... no shit sherlock! think I'll put dual-layer on hold for now till the media is significantly cheaper and reliable, I can't afford this crap unless someone who can burn dual layers without a hitch can help me out? I can pay for blanks but not half a dozen coasters just for 1 burn that almost works

Post: #138872
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138872/action/topic#138872
Time: 16-Sep-2005 2:32 AM

segaflip, I was intending to use two single layers to send out the ISO, raring it up into 50mb files (or what size files are usually upped to usenet?) with the .nfo included that I still have to write and say how to burn it with DVD Decrypter because you need the sector number of the layer change, I updated my feedback thread with that sector info in too.

I've not yet had a completely successful dual layer burn, burn 6 is another coaster and won't even play fully on my robust portable so that's about £14 wasted on a few discs...

I've just emailed the place I bought them saying 6 out of 6 burns failed verify and did they give me a bad batch, compensation/replacement would be nice becuase if I can't get a successful burn I'm ditching dual layer as I really can't afford to throw this much money at trying to get a single disc to burn properly, and restort to doing single layer versions with no extras which means 4100kbps avg instead of 7100kbps avg for the video.

edit: anyway it's painkillers and sleep time for me, I've had enough of this DVD burning crap for one day

Post: #138864
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138864/action/topic#138864
Time: 16-Sep-2005 1:50 AM

Thanks I'll check it out. The 10 dual layers I bought are Ridisc because I use their single layer ones and haven't have a problem with them, my problems burning the dual layers has been down to old software and dirt on the lens. I'd use Verbatim if I were rich, but no job means I have to be careful what I spend my money on.

I'm watching the dual layer NTSC disc on my 28" widescreen right now and you can really see where those extra bits went, the picture far outshines the single layer version DVDShrink did of it.

Post: #138860
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138860/action/topic#138860
Time: 16-Sep-2005 1:25 AM

I'm starting to dislike making dual layer discs immensely... because of the cost and them not being as reliable as pressed dual layer discs.

On the 4th burn I'd rebooted my machine & cleared out space so the ISO wasn't fragmented on the harddrive, burn speed stayed steady but DVDDecryptor failed verify when it started to read back the 2nd layer

My portable DVD player handled the burnt disc fine, no pausing or stuttering when it reaches the 2nd layer because it's got an over-powerful laser and can play almost any disc you throw at it, but my main DVD player pauses for the layer change and then stutters badly during the next 10 mins of footage.

Then my burner started to refuse to read discs at anything other than 1x, didn't dare try burning anything with it in that state, so I got the unit out of my PC, took it apart and manually cleaned the laser head, put it back together and into the system and it read DVDs back at max speed.

Then I burnt disc no.5, it failed on verify at 53% which is a lot better than previous attempts because it meant it read through the layer change ok, so I tried it in my DVD player and it didn't pause or stutter at the layer change! but it still stuttered slightly a minute or two after but the player is old and the optical out started failing a few months ago (I think I need to clean the laser lens on that too), so I tried the disc on the player downstairs (exactly the same model but a year newer) and zero problems playing it on that one, you couldn't even tell there was a layer change and it didn't stutter for the 2nd half of the film at all.

Now burning disc 6 for DarkGruson

but will have to persuade someone else to post it, I'm still ill (stomach aches, headaches, usual feeling like death thing)

Post: #138759
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138759/action/topic#138759
Time: 15-Sep-2005 3:23 PM

Oh well that idea of two laserdisc players' capture merged idea is out of the window then.

I am right now burning off the first DL DVD of ANH in NTSC

edit: .....which turned into a £2.40 coaster

Been reading up & downloading latest versions of stuff so hopefully 2nd time lucky.

edit 2: another £2.40 fecking coaster

if I can't get a successful burn out of these 10 DL discs I'll go single-layer instead, putting the extras from the films on a 4th disc

edit 3: third time 90% lucky, flashed the burner to the most recent firmware and I can play the DVD, almost, running low on harddrive space so the ISO was fragmented and couldn't read the data off the hd fast enough so near the layer change the disc becomes unreadable, however the picture quality is amazing compared to the single layer DVDShrink version I was testing on a RW disc for the menus etc.
Now on burn number 4, 94% done and another 50 mins till the verify is complete (wish they'd hurry up and make them cheaper/faster)

Post: #138672
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138672/action/topic#138672
Time: 15-Sep-2005 1:40 AM

Originally posted by: Laserman
I've tried averaging between different players, but the standard algorithms won't work very well. You need to do some tracking and alignment passes first to have any hope of it getting a result that doesn't add more problems than it solves.
So laserdisc players are like VHS players in that no two models will output the same alignment with the same source? I thought that because the picture storage quality of laserdisc is higher there'd be much more chance of good alignment between players.

Originally posted by: Doctor M
The black bars are only 54 for NTSC on your capture? How come the difference, is that because of the PAL source being cropped funny?

Now you've got me wondering if I should have resized my edition differently.

It's because of the resizing calculations I'm using, the ITU-R BT.601-4 standards to be precise.
My main reason for making the Aspect Ratio Calculation Tool - ARCT, was for using it on my trilogy transfer from letterbox to anamorphic, the source x,y numbers I set as default on that calculator are those of the PAL source I'm working with.

Btw, why would anyone bother to try to convert the Divx to DVD if you're already doing that yourself?

Because they'll only know I'm doing the DVD version if they're reading these boards, downloaders might not read here.

Post: #138573
Topic: Help: looking for... Original Trilogy preservation project w/ German audio?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138573/action/topic#138573
Time: 14-Sep-2005 3:48 PM

Originally posted by: Art_Vandalay
Does anyone have the german title card/opening crawl (preferably sans "Episode IV") and would it be possible to author it in? I think in cinemas back then we even had german credits. ... there have to be some 16mm prints floating around somewhere ...

Like this?

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLDtest7.jpg

That's from the German THX LDs I have, the title and text crawl are in German as is Greedo's subtitles, the end credits are the original English version.

Post: #138561
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138561/action/topic#138561
Time: 14-Sep-2005 1:35 PM

AviSynth scripts for those who can't work it out

# PAL Anamorphic
AviSource("SW-ANH-Citizen-XviD_mp3.avi")
Lanczos4Resize(720,446)
Addborders(0,65,0,65)
AssumeFPS(25)

# NTSC Anamorphic
AviSource("SW-ANH-Citizen-XviD_mp3.avi")
Lanczos4Resize(720,372)
Addborders(0,54,0,54)

The audio you'll have to work out for yourself.

Post: #138517
Topic: ***Citizen's NTSC DVD/PAL DVD/XviD Info and Feedback Thread***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138517/action/topic#138517
Time: 14-Sep-2005 3:01 AM

Further info:
The footage from the PAL LDs was captured 5 times then the 5 DV avi's merged into a single huffyuv avi (if you try this then have at least 2 fast harddrives in your system to reduce drive thrashing during the merging, I spread the 5 files across my 3 drives), this process helped eliminate background RF inteference in the laserdisc player and connecting cable to the Canopus unit, resulting in a cleaner capture than just capturing a single time.
To gain a more 'film like' look to the resulting video the footage was resized 3 times using 2 different filters, the first doubles the width/height using an edge directed resampling filter that helps enhance the edges without making halos, two sharpening filters and two different smoothing filters also in with the mix, none of the filters used work on a temporal basis so there's no blurring from one frame to the next in an attempt to reduce noise (they already did that when they mastered the LDs so why add to it).
In all ~30 hours computing time to output a huffyuv avi at either anamorphic PAL or NTSC resolution, or XviD @ 1024x436 for that particular version. And that ~30 hours doesn't include the 10 hours of capturing just for 2 hours of film footage.

Why the XviD versions? I built myself a projector, not one of those cruddy £5 plans off eBay but a proper 1024x768 res LCD projector with a 400watt bulb behind it that connects to my PC as a normal monitor, see Lumenlab.com, so I wanted a version of the Star Wars trilogy that will play on it in it's native resolution without any resizing going on during playback, hence the 1024x436 XviD versions with mp3 audio.

I initially went with dual-layer discs for the DVDs despite the high price for blank media because with the 3 audio tracks and the extras taking up so much space, but I also created single-layer versions because they were so easy to do after making the dual-layer version, the single layer versions don't have any extras but have the exactly the same audio/menus as the dual layers and are cheaper, easier and quicker to duplicate.

Menu screenshots:

A New Hope

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsANHmenu1.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsANHmenu2.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsANHmenu3.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsANHmenu4.jpg

The Empire Strikes Back

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsESBmenu1.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsESBmenu2.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsESBmenu3.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsESBmenu4.jpg

Return of the Jedi

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsROTJmenu1.jpg

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsROTJmenu2.jpg

Post: #138516
Topic: ***Citizen's NTSC DVD/PAL DVD/XviD Info and Feedback Thread***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138516/action/topic#138516
Time: 14-Sep-2005 2:58 AM

Completed films info (updated/included as they're completed)

.nfo's:

SW-ANH-Citizen-NTSC_DL.nfo
SW-ANH-Citizen-NTSC_SL.nfo
SW-ANH-Citizen-PAL_DL.nfo
SW-ANH-Citizen-PAL_SL.nfo
SW-ANH-Citizen-XviD_mp3.nfo
SW-ESB-Citizen-NTSC_DL.nfo
SW-ESB-Citizen-NTSC_SL.nfo
SW-ESB-Citizen-PAL_DL.nfo
SW-ESB-Citizen-PAL_SL.nfo
SW-ESB-Citizen-XviD_mp3.nfo

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLogoANH.gif

Film: Star Wars IV A New Hope
Format: avi, XviD compression
File size: 3.99gb
Bitrate: 4500kbps AVG
Framerate: 23.976fps
Audio: 2.0 Dolby Surround 256kbps CBR mp3
Subtitles: Greedo's translation, srt text file
Image size: 1024x436
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Extras: none
Notes: Final avi is below 4gb so will play on W95/98 machines, burn to DVD in UDF mode
Status: Completed

Film: Star Wars IV A New Hope
Disc size: 7.83gb dual-layer DVD recordable, layer change sector of iso = 2055248 (needed when burning with DVD Decrypter), it happens about 1h 10m at the beginning of the scene where the holding cell guard says "I wasn't notified, I'll have to clear it"
Format: Anamorphic NTSC DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 7100kbps AVG, 4-pass encode
Framerate: 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown flags in the mpeg stream for 29.97fps NTSC playback
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: Greedo's translation, burnt into black bar at bottom of screen
Extras: Trailers, behind the scenes slideshow with music, Lucasfilm archive tour with Don Bies, interview with George Lucas, gallery with Ralph McQuarrie, 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars IV A New Hope
Disc size: 4.35gb single-layer DVD recordable
Format: Anamorphic NTSC DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 4100kbps AVG, 7-pass encode
Framerate: 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown flags in the mpeg stream for 29.97fps NTSC playback
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: Greedo's translation, burnt into black bar at bottom of screen
Extras: 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars IV A New Hope
Disc size: 7.88gb dual-layer DVD recordable, layer change sector of iso = 2081120 (needed when burning with DVD Decrypter), it happens about 1h 10m at the beginning of the scene where the holding cell guard says "Where are you taking this...thing"
Format: Anamorphic PAL DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 7300kbps AVG, 4-pass encode
Framerate: 25fps progressive
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: Greedo's translation, burnt into black bar at bottom of screen
Extras: Trailers, behind the scenes slideshow with music, Lucasfilm archive tour with Don Bies, interview with George Lucas, gallery with Ralph McQuarrie, 2 small easter eggs
Starus: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars IV A New Hope
Disc size: 4.33gb single-layer DVD recordable
Format: Anamorphic PAL DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 4500kbps AVG, 7-pass encode
Framerate: 25fps progressive
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: Greedo's translation, burnt into black bar at bottom of screen
Extras: 2 small easter eggs
Starus: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLogoESB.gif

Film: Star Wars V The Empire Strikes Back
Format: avi, XviD compression
File size: 3.97gb
Bitrate: 4500kbps AVG
Framerate: 23.976fps
Audio: 2.0 Dolby Surround 256kbps CBR mp3
Subtitles: None
Image size: 1024x436
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Extras: None
Notes: Final avi is below 4gb so will play on W95/98 machines, burn to DVD in UDF mode
Status: Completed

Film: Star Wars V The Empire Strikes Back
Disc size: 7.92gb dual-layer DVD recordable, layer change sector of iso = 2079568 (needed when burning with DVD Decrypter), it happens about 1h 12m when you see from the back Luke's craft lifting out of the swamp
Format: Anamorphic NTSC DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 6900kbps AVG, 4-pass encode
Framerate: 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown flags in the mpeg stream for 29.97fps NTSC playback
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: None
Extras: Trailers, Ben Burt interview, asteroids storyboard, concept drawings gallery slideshow with music, how walkers walk, 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars V The Empire Strikes Back
Disc size: 4.34gb single-layer DVD recordable
Format: Anamorphic NTSC DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 3950kbps AVG, 7-pass encode
Framerate: 23.976fps with 3:2 pulldown flags in the mpeg stream for 29.97fps NTSC playback
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: None
Extras: 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars V The Empire Strikes Back
Disc size: 7.9gb dual-layer DVD recordable, layer change sector of iso = 2080480 (needed when burning with DVD Decrypter), it happens about 1h 9m when Yoda gets Luke's craft out of the swamp and Luke is right next to it walking backwards
Format: Anamorphic PAL DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 7200kbps AVG, 4-pass encode
Framerate: 25fps progressive
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: None
Extras: Trailers, Ben Burt interview, asteroids storyboard, concept drawings gallery slideshow with music, how walkers walk, 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

Film: Star Wars V The Empire Strikes Back
Disc size: 4.34gb single-layer DVD recordable
Format: Anamorphic PAL DVD
Aspect ratio: 2.35:1 approx
Bitrate: 4150kbps AVG, 7-pass encode
Framerate: 25fps progressive
Audio tracks: 3; 224kbps 2.0 Dolby Surround, 448kbps 5.1 special upmixed, 224kbps 2.0 commentary overlaid onto the 2.0 surround so no long silences
Subtitles: None
Extras: 2 small easter eggs
Status: Completed, but no disc label or case artwork yet

http://www.haku.co.uk/pics/StarWarsLogoROTJ.gif

To do (in this order):
ROTJ XviD
ROTJ NTSC dual-layer DVD
ROTJ NTSC single-layer DVD
ROTJ PAL dual-layer DVD
ROTJ PAL single-layer DVD

NTSC single-layer extras DVD (as the single layer films contain no extras other than easter eggs)
PAL single-layer extras DVD (as the single layer films contain no extras other than easter eggs)
Case artwork
Disc artwork

Post: #138515
Topic: ***Citizen's NTSC DVD/PAL DVD/XviD Info and Feedback Thread***
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138515/action/topic#138515
Time: 14-Sep-2005 2:56 AM

***Citizen's NTSC DVD/PAL DVD/XviD Info and Feedback Thread***

Citizen's OOT transfer project info & feedback thread

Source Material
Video from the German 1995 THX PAL Laserdiscs (bulk of).
Video from the French 1995 THX PAL Laserdiscs (for side changes & intro text).
Dolby Surround soundtrack and the extras from the US 1993 Definitive Collection Laserdiscs.

Hardware
Pioneer CLD-D515 Laserdisc player
Canopus ADVC-100 analogue to/from DV converter box
PC: P4 2.4ghz, 512mb, 80gb IDE/120gb SATA/120gb SATA HDs, plus 200gb external USB HD (~500gb total)

Software
Capturing:
Ulead Video ToolBox
Canopus DV codec

Post-processing:
VirtualDub
AVISynth

DVD Encoding:
CCE 2.66 (video)
BeSweet (audio)

Post: #138500
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138500/action/topic#138500
Time: 14-Sep-2005 12:15 AM

Originally posted by: Laserman

I say we do a dawn raid on the Lucasfilm archives... Who's with me?

Post: #138481
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138481/action/topic#138481
Time: 13-Sep-2005 11:06 PM

Great stuff, I wonder how many downloaders will have a go at converting it to DVD... (and not get the aspect ratio spot-on

)

Post: #138467
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138467/action/topic#138467
Time: 13-Sep-2005 10:12 PM

Originally posted by: Laserman
So it just needs some time and dedication.

I think you just won the "Understatement of the Century" award

It would probably be easier (and cheaper in the long run) to bribe a Lucasfilm technician...

Post: #138363
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138363/action/topic#138363
Time: 13-Sep-2005 11:57 AM

There are attachments for digital cameras to take digital photos of slides, however up against proper scanners the picture quality doesn't bode well: slide transfer examples/comparisons

If you could get the film to play at 25fps perfectly it might be worth trying a PAL DV camcorder pointed at a projected screen..

Post: #138318
Topic: Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138318/action/topic#138318
Time: 13-Sep-2005 1:59 AM

But that's what we've been trying to tell you from the start, the PAL SW films are only interlaced on the laserdiscs, when you capture the footage the film returns back to 25fps PROGRESSIVE!

If you're trying to preserve the what you perceive to be interlaced footage then you'd scale the two fields of the frame separately, which as you discovered when you tried to rescale the NTSC 3:2 pulldown capture to anamorphic without removing the 3:2 pulldown, the resulting footage looks terrible.

Post: #138210
Topic: Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138210/action/topic#138210
Time: 12-Sep-2005 6:31 PM

Why are you trying to deinterlace the capture of the PAL SW LDs?

Post: #138180
Topic: Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138180/action/topic#138180
Time: 12-Sep-2005 4:29 PM

Basically when they put the film on the PAL LD the capture process turned progressive 25fps into interlaced 25fps for storing onthe LD and displaying on a tv, but when you capture it the interlacing is 'undone' and the progressive 25fps material is restored automatically.

There's no need for any post processing on the PAL SW LDs with regards to interlacing. Encode your DVD as progressive.

Post: #138162
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138162/action/topic#138162
Time: 12-Sep-2005 2:28 PM

I bought 3 sets because the Definitive Collection is lacking some noticable detail compared to the PAL discs, going from the Definitive to the German set was a big upgrade in quality of source image, I don't think I'll get that level of clarity increase by buying another laserdisc player which is why I haven't thought about going down that route, what I have I'm happy with. I had to buy the French set because of the German titles and Greedo's burnt-in subtitles, patching the side breaks & intro crawl etc. with footage from the Definitive set would've stuck out like a sore thumb.

Post: #138109
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138109/action/topic#138109
Time: 12-Sep-2005 6:18 AM

The 'tizziness' is actually some sort of inteference lines at 45degrees on the picture (bottom left to top right), the filters bring it out a lot more on the XviD version because of the higher resolution it's at and the higher resolution of monitors, however watching the DVD version on my 28" widescreen tv (no anamorphic->letterbox compression as with a 4:3 tv) through RGB connection it's difficult to spot the 'tizziness' is there, and if you're viewing it through a composite connection I think that would help mask it further. Which is why it hasn't bothered me enough to start saving up for another laserdisc player.

The only annoyance I'm having at the moment is the colour disappearing from the very top/bottom lines of the picture on the DVD, caused by the block compression of mpeg2 it means some of the blocks are compressing pure black right next to pixels of the film which means not enough colour information is being stored. Trying to work out if there's any way round it without resizing the footage to perfectly fit the mpeg compression blocks but that would mean an incorrect aspect ratio. Damn mpeg, hurry up HD and arrive everywhere in the world soon!

Post: #138107
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138107/action/topic#138107
Time: 12-Sep-2005 5:29 AM

Moth3r I know about that problem but there's nothing I can do about because it's not the fault of the capture device or any post processing, short of saving up and getting a different laserdisc player which I can't afford I'm stuck with what I got, remember I only have a Pioneer CLD-D515 and not one of the top end units.

edit: actually, this got me thinking, the 5x capture averaging helped reduce RF noise noticably so what if I were to get a different model laserdisc player, capture the video a few times and merge them into a file, then merge that file with the CLD-D515's merged footage... would that get to the level of smoothing out imperfections in the laserdisc player electronics or would the images not align properly...

Anyone got more than one laserdisc player and wants to try a test?

Post: #138050
Topic: .: Citizen's NTSC DVD / PAL DVD / XviD project :. (Released)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138050/action/topic#138050
Time: 11-Sep-2005 6:03 PM

Well it looks like everything is on hold again, I'm starting to feel like death, I caught the flu off my family so that's me out of action for the time being

*Citizen fires up his projector, puts his feet up and watches the new SG-1 & Atlantis episodes*

Post: #138020
Topic: Help: looking for... Original Trilogy preservation project w/ German audio?
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138020/action/topic#138020
Time: 11-Sep-2005 3:47 PM

I've been asked if I could do a version with the French audio, and here was me thinking once I've finished my 3 trilogy versions that would be the end of it

Because I have the French & German dubbed laserdiscs I might, after I've finished my main trilogy, do a PAL set with English, French & German audio tracks, not sure I'd do the subtitles because I don't speak French or German and would probably screw them up.

Post: #138017
Topic: Feedback Wanted: for my ANH dvd test clip
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138017/action/topic#138017
Time: 11-Sep-2005 3:41 PM

Ahh yes, I'm totally with you now, it's the bit allocation within the individual frames, give more bits to where there's more detail, whereas with VBR you also give more bits to where there's more detail and change between the frames.

Post: #138014
Topic: .: The X0 Project Discussion Thread :. (* unfinished project *)
Link: https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/138014/action/topic#138014
Time: 11-Sep-2005 3:35 PM

To borrow the famous Sixth Sense phrase; I see smeared people...

I can see the smearing throughout almost the entire films, I'm talking about the temporal smoothing of one frame to the next in an attempt to reduce the grain of the film footage before it was mastered to laserdisc, that's the sole reason I tried the 5x capture & merge thing so I end up with a cleaner capture of the laserdiscs and don't have to use temporal because they already did that and further smoothing just makes things look worse.

MeBeJedi, yeah if you try and undo the temporal smoothing you get into some serious dangerous waters, like how would the algorhythm differentiate between normal motion bluring and added temporal bluring, I've never heard of it being achieved.

If I had the money/resources I'd be looking into doing an 8mm transfer of my own, but I don't so I'm stuck with the smeared laserdiscs