ChainsawAsh

You_Too said:

Is there any chance we could get a proper DNR version in the future?

This is the proper DNR version. There will not be another offical one from TN1. But there are multiple offshoot projects in the works that use 4K77’s lossless source files as a base, as Collipso said, so you’re probably gonna want to wait for one of those to come out.

If you used avisynth for DNR I’d love to know the settings. When I’ve tried it in avisynth in the past, DNR just makes fast moving scenes look smudged so to speak.

Nope, Rob used Neat, if I remember correctly, which is pricey professional-grade software.

The Anchorhead scenes are on the 9-disc complete saga BR set, I believe, but it didn’t sound like OP had that disc from what he said in this thread (pre-ban).

Green tea for me tonight. I’m getting a little naughty.

I mean, both endings aren’t very good, honestly. It’s the weakest part of the movie by far.

BiggsFan44 said:

Anchorhead said:

BiggsFan44 said:

What does time on this forum have to do with it?

Quite a bit.

Disagree.

I mean, I’d imagine someone who’s been here more than a decade with a couple thousand posts under his belt without getting banned is slightly less likely to be a troll than someone who just created an account then made a thread where he bitches at anyone who disagrees with him, but that’s just me.

Just finished season 5 of BoJack Horseman. Great season once again, but…

Every season I go back and forth on whether I relate more strongly to Diane or BoJack. This season made me realize I relate to both of them. Very strongly. And that’s not a good thing, because it’s mostly their worst qualities that I relate to.

And how is it that every year when a new season comes out, there’s something about it that hits me on a deeply personal level related to recent events in my life? Like…

SPOILERS FOR THE LAST TWO EPISODES OF BOJACK SEASON 5

…how about the fact that I got blackout fucked up and assaulted a cop two weeks ago and don’t remember it, and BoJack gets blackout fucked up and strangles his costar? The way various characters interacted with him after that looked really fucking familiar to me and it was uncomfortable to say the least.

It’s really weird to see your most toxic qualities dramatized in entertainment so accurately. I’ve been both the BoJack and the Diane in their episode 10 argument before, and even though one of them may have the moral high ground, they’re both huge pieces of shit. And that’s just one example.

Every year I watch this show, and every year it makes me realize I have some real work to do to fix myself. But BoJack and Diane realize the same thing about themselves every year too, and they never manage to really get any better.

Maybe this year’s the year. I don’t know.

Anyway, great season. Probably better than season 4. Loved the jabs at modern “cerebral” shows (“It’s confusing, which means it’s complex and smart!” or something along those lines was a great line), especially with Mr. Robot’s Rami Malek playing the head writer of BoJack’s new show.

“He’s a sex robot.”
“You mean that as a metaphor, right?”
“…No.”

9/10

Tobar said:

Knowing you, I can’t wait to hear your thoughts once you’ve finished the entire series. I’d link to my post detailing my thoughts on the show but its spoilerific.

I’m particularly interested to hear what he thinks of the season 4 shake-up and the overall direction of the final season. But I think he’ll very much enjoy seasons 2 and 3 at the very least.

Fringe gets infinitely better in season 2, and season 3 is one of my favorite seasons of TV in general (and nails the hybrid procedural/serialized format in a way few shows have). Season 4 is divisive, but I enjoyed it and it has my favorite episode of the series in it. Season 5 feels like a finale movie that got stretched out to 13 episodes, but I enjoyed it overall, and the ending is good.

If you more or less enjoyed season 1, I’d say you owe it to yourself to keep going. And some of the “filler” episodes in season 1 turn out not to be filler after all as the show continues.

I may be mistaken, but I don’t believe Harmy generally accepts donations.

DominicCobb said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

Star Wars has been dividing fans since Empire. Considering the passion fans hold for this series, and its nature as an ever expanding and evolving mythology, each new installment is bound to cause a considerable stir no matter what. Everyone would be a lot happier if they stopped getting so angry about the things they didn’t like and just ignored them, and instead focused on the things they did like. No need whatsoever to stress about things “not fitting canon” that way.

The MCU seems to be doing just fine with creating a universe without all animosity and hate that the Star Wars franchise has become known for these days. So, the past and current creators must be doing something wrong, since this state of affairs surely isn’t what Disney was going for.

There are millions of reasons.

• The MCU has a back-history of mythology that they’re pulling from. With each new Star Wars film they reveal something new about the universe, and for some fans those things can contradict their understanding of the universe (whether justified or not).
• The MCU is a by nature a collection of divergent styles. No one cares if Guardians feels different than Captain America, because they’re used to it.
• When divisive things happen in the MCU (like say Iron Man 3), fans know that it will have basically zero impact on the rest of the movies.
• Because the film series is so recent, and has been made at such a steady clip, there has been extremely little room for the hardcore nerds to build up and speculate what the universe means to them and where they think things and characters should go, or what the backstory should look like. I would wager a significant reason why the PT and ST are so divisive is both trilogies have had decades worth of pent up hype and speculation. If Marvel stopped making movies in 2017 and waited until 2030 to release Infinity War, even if it was the exact same movie, I’d put money on a significant portion of the audience absolutely hating it.
• Ultimately, people are much more invested in Star Wars than the MCU.

Yeah, all of that.

I usually can’t stand online games and have never played an MMORPG, but I’ve really been enjoying Elder Scrolls Online lately. Granted, I’ve been treating it like a single player Elder Scrolls RPG and haven’t interacted with any other players or done any PvP stuff, so it’s really just like playing Skyrim with a different skill and combat system while watching other people run around doing quests while you are. Which can be kinda funny, and useful when there’s a bunch of enemies around that you both end up tackling together (enemies seem server-side while quest NPCs are client-side, I think).

But it does scratch the “I wanna play Skyrim but I’ve played it too much and am bored with it now” itch.

I always assumed it was hookah.

dahmage said:

This is why this is a troll thread you only seem to want to disagree with people and not really discuss interesting things.

Yarp.

DrDre said:

Mocata said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

I’m amazed this thread is still going, but thanks for the break down of what is really going on in all of these monolithic quote trees. Not liking the ST is fine. But claiming the real reason they don’t work is because they don’t follow the prequels enough is just bonkers. Nobody was going to pay however many millions to invite comparisons to that debacle. Things that leave a bad taste need a strong pallet cleanser after all.

The problem of this divisive approach is that it has resulted in two trilogies that have left a bad taste in a large subsection of the fanbase. It seems with each trilogy the fanbase is shattered further rather than united under one unifying vision that is satisfying to OT, PT, and ST fans alike, whilst bringing new fans into the fold. While I’m not a fan of the ST, I’m actually more concerned with LFM’s inability to create such a vision, and not to greatly piss off some significant portion of the fanbase. The disdain expressed by the different subsections of the fanbase towards each otherseen in articles, on youtube, and in this thread, whether it be OT fans, PT fans, or ST fans is a testament to that failure.

Now this is respectful way of expressing disappointment at the ST “not respecting” prior films.

Welcome back!

MalàStrana said:

Are Harmy’s edition tracks compliant with the 4k77 project 1080p edition ?

And yep, the video quality is stunning. I also love the colors of the dnr edition, they are beautiful.

Brillant work guys !

Both are GOUT synced, so yeah, any audio or sub track that works on one will work on the other.

See? There you go again.

dahmage said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Handman said:

Wait, your name isn’t Ash?

On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, nope, it’s not! There are a few users on here that now my real name. It’s actually in the ESB:R credits instead of my username, too, if I remember right.

I before your real name?

Except after C!

Handman said:

Wait, your name isn’t Ash?

On the off-chance this isn’t a joke, nope, it’s not! There are a few users on here that know my real name. It’s actually in the ESB:R credits instead of my username, too, if I remember right.

BiggsFan44 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Alright, I’ll try to find your “examples” from throughout the thread and respond to them.

First, Yoda:

For example, I was just watching TLJ and I got to the scene with Yoda. Yoda is a puppet in TLJ when he was CG in the PT. The problem for me is that these movies are supposed to be installments in the same story, and yet that illusion is shattered into a million pieces when things like puppet Yoda

Yoda in TLJ is supposed to look as much like he did in ghost form in ROTJ as possible. He’s a puppet in the end of ROTJ when he’s a ghost. It would, in my opinion, be more immersion-breaking for him to be CGI and appear as he did 20 years before his death. It would be a different story (and an entirely different can of worms) had Lucas replaced ESB/ROTJ Yoda with a CGI model, but he never did. So, chronologically, you see (I) CGI/puppet (depending on the version of TPM you watch) > (II) CGI > (III) CGI > (V) Puppet > (VI) Puppet > (VIII) Puppet. You really think that (I) CGI/puppet > (II) CGI > (III) CGI > (V) Puppet > (VI) Puppet > (VIII) CGI would have been more cohesive when looked at as a full saga?

The Maz Kanata argument is invalid to me because she never appeared in any film prior to TFA, so there’s an infinite amount of freedom in her appearance. You’d have an argument if she appeared in TFA as CGI and was suddenly a puppet in TLJ, or something, but as it stands you’re creating a comparison where there isn’t one.

Yoda being CG might strain the link up with the OT, but the strain doesn’t come from what my thread is about, which is how we can consider this all to be one universe if creators are passing judgement on the quality of the depiction of supposedly equally canonical events.

So Lucas broke the cohesion of “one universe” by changing Yoda from a puppet to CGI first. Yet it’s the ST you’re railing against for going back to the puppet. That seems like a double standard to me - villifying ST filmmakers for changing a thing from one film to the next while excusing Lucas from doing the same because you prefer his movies.

On to other things…

or TFA being like the anti-prequel in much of its approach

How?

are pretty much rebuttals of earlier installments.

How are they rebuttals? Do they claim that the earlier movies never happened, wiping them from continuity the way every Highlander sequel has done to the film that came before it? No.

how can the fact that people can’t stop picking and choosing elements they like and don’t like from the movies (that goes for fans and creators alike) not completely destroy the illusion that ALL of these events from ALL of these movies and shows take place in the same universe?

It…doesn’t? I don’t understand how it does, and I’ve yet to see an explanation from you as to how this is the case in your mind.

the fact that TCW Anakin maybe should have been closer to Hayden, but also that they aren’t really AS different as Hayden detractors claim, and late season Lanter Anakin was as “unlikable” as Anakin ever was, especially in arcs like the second Clovis arc.

Did you just refute your own argument about Anakin in the same sentence in which you brought it up? Because I think you did.

I’d argue that the ST betrays the spirit of the series more than the PT did though. And that’s a larger problem than things like why Owen didn’t recognize 3-P0.
TFA is a waste of 200 million dollars because it copies a movie but makes it worse (And the argument that the first Disney SW movie needed to feel “familiar” is moot, since TFA locks the entire trilogy into a “big bad Empire vs. scrappy rebels” redo, complete with locking in the stale aesthetic/art direction), and TLJ writes Luke so incredibly OOC that he can’t be considered the same character who said “You’ve failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.”

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

The Rosetta Stone of TFA is this- it doesn’t even have a scene that explains the political scenario to the level ANH did with the Tarkin round table scene, simply because the PT had “too much politics.”
TFA is so OBVIOUSLY reactionary, you trolling bantha.

Love it when members with one-day-old accounts call 14-year veterans of the site trolls.

Clearly you’re not interested in having an actual conversation. Thanks for the new signature quote, though. Bye.

Alright, I’ll try to find your “examples” from throughout the thread and respond to them.

First, Yoda:

For example, I was just watching TLJ and I got to the scene with Yoda. Yoda is a puppet in TLJ when he was CG in the PT. The problem for me is that these movies are supposed to be installments in the same story, and yet that illusion is shattered into a million pieces when things like puppet Yoda

Yoda in TLJ is supposed to look as much like he did in ghost form in ROTJ as possible. He’s a puppet in the end of ROTJ when he’s a ghost. It would, in my opinion, be more immersion-breaking for him to be CGI and appear as he did 20 years before his death. It would be a different story (and an entirely different can of worms) had Lucas replaced ESB/ROTJ Yoda with a CGI model, but he never did. So, chronologically, you see (I) CGI/puppet (depending on the version of TPM you watch) > (II) CGI > (III) CGI > (V) Puppet > (VI) Puppet > (VIII) Puppet. You really think that (I) CGI/puppet > (II) CGI > (III) CGI > (V) Puppet > (VI) Puppet > (VIII) CGI would have been more cohesive when looked at as a full saga?

The Maz Kanata argument is invalid to me because she never appeared in any film prior to TFA, so there’s an infinite amount of freedom in her appearance. You’d have an argument if she appeared in TFA as CGI and was suddenly a puppet in TLJ, or something, but as it stands you’re creating a comparison where there isn’t one.

Yoda being CG might strain the link up with the OT, but the strain doesn’t come from what my thread is about, which is how we can consider this all to be one universe if creators are passing judgement on the quality of the depiction of supposedly equally canonical events.

So Lucas broke the cohesion of “one universe” by changing Yoda from a puppet to CGI first. Yet it’s the ST you’re railing against for going back to the puppet. That seems like a double standard to me - villifying ST filmmakers for changing a thing from one film to the next while excusing Lucas from doing the same because you prefer his movies.

On to other things…

or TFA being like the anti-prequel in much of its approach

How?

are pretty much rebuttals of earlier installments.

How are they rebuttals? Do they claim that the earlier movies never happened, wiping them from continuity the way every Highlander sequel has done to the film that came before it? No.

how can the fact that people can’t stop picking and choosing elements they like and don’t like from the movies (that goes for fans and creators alike) not completely destroy the illusion that ALL of these events from ALL of these movies and shows take place in the same universe?

It…doesn’t? I don’t understand how it does, and I’ve yet to see an explanation from you as to how this is the case in your mind.

the fact that TCW Anakin maybe should have been closer to Hayden, but also that they aren’t really AS different as Hayden detractors claim, and late season Lanter Anakin was as “unlikable” as Anakin ever was, especially in arcs like the second Clovis arc.

Did you just refute your own argument about Anakin in the same sentence in which you brought it up? Because I think you did.

I’d argue that the ST betrays the spirit of the series more than the PT did though. And that’s a larger problem than things like why Owen didn’t recognize 3-P0.
TFA is a waste of 200 million dollars because it copies a movie but makes it worse (And the argument that the first Disney SW movie needed to feel “familiar” is moot, since TFA locks the entire trilogy into a “big bad Empire vs. scrappy rebels” redo, complete with locking in the stale aesthetic/art direction), and TLJ writes Luke so incredibly OOC that he can’t be considered the same character who said “You’ve failed, your highness. I am a Jedi, like my father before me.”

Okay, this is where I stop, because all of this is 100% “I don’t like the ST so I’m going to rail against it and find every avenue I can to attack it” and not a discussion of keeping canonical cohesion of a saga across multiple decades and filmmakers. Which is the discussion I was hoping to find when I opened this thread.

BiggsFan44 said:

ChainsawAsh said:

BiggsFan44 said:

I don’t think that’s what you’re actually getting out of the thread

I don’t think you get to tell me how I think, but…

because it isn’t what I’m saying.

…okay, fine.

The OT was first, the PT came next and was made by the same guy, who attempted to graft on an expansion of the original story by making Luke’s father’s journey an inverse of Luke’s.

I disagree in that he contradicted what came before in every subsequent film. Besides, you’re ignoring the contributions of Gary Kurtz, Lawrence Kasdan, Irvin Kershner, Howard Kazanjian, and Richard Marquand to the OT (though I’d argue that Kazanjian and Marquand had markedly less influence on ROTJ than Kurtz did on ANH and ESB or Kershner and Kasdan did on ESB), and ignoring the fact that Kasdan co-wrote ESB and ROTJ while also co-writing TFA and Solo.

The ST is being made by people who can be assumed to strongly disagree with elements of the PT, and make movies that reflect that.

I don’t understand why this is a problem, since they take place after the OT, and as such should be sequels to the OT. Besides, there’s a ton of prequel influence in TLJ and even a little in TFA, so I’d also argue you’re blatantly wrong about this and letting your feelings about the ST get in the way, since you’re stating this as objective fact when it quite clearly isn’t.

For example, Infinity War feels like a modern blockbuster- using all the tech at its disposal to craft a HUGE story.

What? Why does that matter?

Or even look at Solo and Rogue One- they’re shot with digital cameras.

So?

But everything TFA does (cloning a resource limited movie from 1977 being a big one)

Oh, you don’t like that TFA was shot on film? Really? Why does that make a difference?

is a condemnation of the last movies in the saga before it, real life-time wise.

It…what? How? You’re stating this as objective fact without citing any examples.

Now, this isn’t even about whether TFA is better or worse than the PT, really. I’m simply asking- How are we supposed to believe that Episode 7 is the continuation of a collection movies that it is telling off half of?

Because it’s set decades later with similar characters and is clearly part of the same universe?

If this isn’t just a “waaaah I don’t like the ST and I’m angry about it” thing, then I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying.

If you can’t see how TFA is “people who were burned by the PT please come back, you liked ANH right?: The Movie”, then I don’t see how we can converse.

If you can’t give examples for why you think this is the case, or if it is, how that “completely destroy[s] the illusion that ALL of these events from ALL of these movies and shows take place in the same universe” (the entire thesis from your original post, copy/pasted exactly), then I don’t see how we can converse, either.

BiggsFan44 said:

I don’t think that’s what you’re actually getting out of the thread

I don’t think you get to tell me how I think, but…

because it isn’t what I’m saying.

…okay, fine.

The OT was first, the PT came next and was made by the same guy, who attempted to graft on an expansion of the original story by making Luke’s father’s journey an inverse of Luke’s.

I disagree in that he contradicted what came before in every subsequent film. Besides, you’re ignoring the contributions of Gary Kurtz, Lawrence Kasdan, Irvin Kershner, Howard Kazanjian, and Richard Marquand to the OT (though I’d argue that Kazanjian and Marquand had markedly less influence on ROTJ than Kurtz did on ANH and ESB or Kershner and Kasdan did on ESB), and ignoring the fact that Kasdan co-wrote ESB and ROTJ while also co-writing TFA and Solo.

The ST is being made by people who can be assumed to strongly disagree with elements of the PT, and make movies that reflect that.

I don’t understand why this is a problem, since they take place after the OT, and as such should be sequels to the OT. Besides, there’s a ton of prequel influence in TLJ and even a little in TFA, so I’d also argue you’re blatantly wrong about this and letting your feelings about the ST get in the way, since you’re stating this as objective fact when it quite clearly isn’t.

For example, Infinity War feels like a modern blockbuster- using all the tech at its disposal to craft a HUGE story.

What? Why does that matter?

Or even look at Solo and Rogue One- they’re shot with digital cameras.

So?

But everything TFA does (cloning a resource limited movie from 1977 being a big one)

Oh, you don’t like that TFA was shot on film? Really? Why does that make a difference?

is a condemnation of the last movies in the saga before it, real life-time wise.

It…what? How? You’re stating this as objective fact without citing any examples.

Now, this isn’t even about whether TFA is better or worse than the PT, really. I’m simply asking- How are we supposed to believe that Episode 7 is the continuation of a collection movies that it is telling off half of?

Because it’s set decades later with similar characters and is clearly part of the same universe?

If this isn’t just a “waaaah I don’t like the ST and I’m angry about it” thing, then I honestly don’t understand what you’re saying.

BiggsFan44 said:

Shopping Maul said:

BiggsFan44 said:
Good perspective. Just to clarify, I’m also talking about the idea of certain pieces of the canon not respecting other pieces even though they are supposed to be 9 parts of one story, which is slightly different from recasting etc.
On the topic of Trek, it’s funny that you mention scale, since now that I know that the saucer set in First Contact was not full size it bugs me, even though you can’t tell in the film that it is only 70 percent of the full size.

But Star Wars has been disrespecting its own canon from day one. In the first film Luke, who had an obvious crush on Princess Leia, was the son of a war hero who’d been killed by Darth Vader. In the next film Lucas suddenly decided Vader was actually Luke’s father. Then he decided that Leia was Luke’s sister, the Emperor was a different bloke to the one we’d seen in Empire, and Luke had supposedly been ‘hidden’ at the family homestead and with Dad’s old surname intact no less! I haven’t even started on the prequels yet!

“Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?”

“Uh, well, ‘remember’ is such a strong word…”

I’m really not being clear, apparently.
That’s not the kind of disrespect I’m talking about. Lucas retconning his work doesn’t mean that he disagrees with those works, it just means he thought up a new story element.
For example, George does not feel about ANH the way JJ feels about the PT, I’m sure.

What I’m getting out of this thread is that you don’t like Abrams/Johnson/the ST and want an echo chamber to complain about them under the guise of a discussion about coherent canon in a franchise that spans decades, and you jump down anyone’s throat who says even a slightly nice thing about the ST or a slightly critical thing about the OT/PT/Lucas.

Shame, because the topic of cohesiveness in a long-spanning canon is an interesting one. Wish I could actually discuss it here.

rainbow battle kid said:

so i have despecialized and was thinking of switching to 4k77, but wasn’t sure. this DNR version is maybe gonna push me over. could anyone post any good comparison shots of DeS & 4k77 DNR?

Don’t have a comparison to share, but for me personally, the DNR version has completely supplanted Despecialized.