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#1290054
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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BedeHistory731 said:

MikeWW said:

Another SE style thing would be the ship combat scenes. The ST uses no practical scale ship models. (That I’m aware of.)

That’s just the forward march of special effects technology. Heck, the SE’s and bits of TPM used scale models for some material (e.g., the sandcrawler, several TPM ships, etc.).

Yep, exactly. I don’t see how using more contemporary filmmaking techniques means the SE is any more canon than the OOT.

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#1290014
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Shopping Maul said:

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

A trivial detail perhaps, but doesn’t Rogue One show a ‘SE-style’ entrance for the Yavin base? That puts Disney SW in a separate canon to the unaltered OT.

Shit, yeah, that’s a good point. But that’s something I can justify away similarly to SilverWook - and it’s a purely aesthetic background detail.

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#1289928
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Were the original unaltered mono or 2.0/4.0 matrixed sound tracks for the original trilogy on a home release?
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Yes, the first LD releases had the theatrical Dolby Surround mixes (the 2.0/matrixed 4.0). These tracks are included on Despecialized and 4K77/4K83’s releases, too (and 4K83, as a bonus, has the actual Dolby Surround audio from the print as the primary audio track).

The mono tracks weren’t, though - the 1977 35mm mono we have from early TV broadcast recordings, and the ESB and ROTJ 16mm mono tracks we have from 16mm prints.

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#1289920
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

MikeWW said:

SilverWook said:

I trust you didn’t watch the 2004 version of THX?

Other than the highway car shots, pretty much all the changes are improvements IMO.

Looks at name of forum, then your post, then at name of forum again and goes cross-eyed.

The Star Wars SEs have more questionable stuff in them than THX 2004 does IMO.
The effects are less dodgy, most of it doesn’t change the tone, and like the best SE changes, it makes the world feel less low budget. The THX working scenes feel a lot better with people out of focus in the background all toiling away too.

It does so change the tone. The vast underground cityscapes take away from the claustropohic feel of the original. Lucas got the look he wanted by shooting real locations in Northern California. Things like the video screen above the complaint box are pointless, and the hands on the Robert Duvall stand in on the monitor aren’t even in the same position. And don’t get me started on those mangy CGI baboons that replaced some of the shell dwellers. The bigger crime is there’s no way for the average viewer to know they’re watching an altered version. There are no SE credits. There isn’t even a crappy non-anamorphic DVD of the original for people to choose to watch.
Many members of this site have dedicated years to preserving the original THX, so you’re barking up a very large non-cgi tree on this.

I get preserving these things, but that doesn’t mean the altered version sucks.

Not inherently, but THX’s DC has more wrong with it than ESB’s Special Edition if you ask me. I hate that it’s most people’s first/only exposure to the film.

I’ll concede that it’s overall less offensive than ANH and ROTJ’s SE’s, though.

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#1289916
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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MikeWW said:

ChainsawAsh said:

What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

I…? Ewan McGregor played Hayden Christensen’s master.

Yeah, so? How does that make Ewan McGregor’s Obi-Wan have anything to do with the SE’s? The OOT works just as well in the context of the prequels as the SE’s do, whether it’s Shaw or Christensen as the ghost or not. I have no idea where you’re getting the idea that “Ewan voicing one line as Obi-Wan in TFA means Christensen’s ghost is canon and Shaw’s can’t be.”

And I’m pretty sure Disney has never outright said that the SE is canon and the OOT isn’t, just that the original trilogy itself is canon. Which means whichever version of the OT you prefer works as the “canon” version for you. If you can point me to an official Disney source that says the SE is the canon version, go right ahead. But that’s irrelevant to me either way so long as the ST plays it neutral.

I say again: any aspect of the ST that unambiguously makes the SE the only canon version of the OT will make me write off the entire ST. Full stop. That includes Christensen playing Ghost Anakin.

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#1289890
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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What? No he didn’t. Ewan isn’t featured in the SE in any way, shape, or form. He was in the PT, and the ST also references Darth Sidious, which is another PT invention. I’ve made my peace with the PT through fan edits, so these things are fine with me.

And Alec Guinness is in TFA too, in the same line as Ewan. (Guinness says “Rey” and Ewan says “these are your first steps.”) So I really don’t understand your point with Ewan’s TFA line.

And I don’t give two shits what is officially canon or not. The OOT works with zero problems with the ST. Until something appears in an ST film that only works because of an SE change, either version of the OT is on equal footing canon wise, and I choose the original version.

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#1289886
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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The style is irrelevant.

Did Starkiller Base have a stupid ring around it when it exploded? Nope.

Was there a scene on Cloud City depicting the SE windows instead of the OT windowless hallways? Nope.

Was there a Sarlacc on Jakku with a stupid beak? Nope.

Has Hayden Christensen showed up as the ghost of Anakin? Nope.

Nothing depicted in the post-Disney films requires the SE versions of the OT in order to work. Therefore, either version of the OT could be canon at this point, regardless of which version is “officially” canon.

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#1289873
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Small details that took you <em><strong>FOREVER</strong></em> to notice in the <em>Star Wars</em> films
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MikeWW said:

jajje said:

…and Warwick Davis himself has confirmed that they used him as a kind of Yoda stand-in for one scene in TPM, walking in a long shot, and obviously it was kept in the movie, and that whole sequence with fake-Mace also, seems kind of botched together, perhaps last-minute. Been a long time since I managed to sit through the whole ending of TPM.

Wdym? TPM is probably the best non OT movie.

Not by a long shot.

It’s the best prequel, but it’s still a terrible movie.

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#1289708
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The Chronological Star Wars – A Year-Long Critical Reappraisal
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ray_afraid said:

Omni said:

+1 for ROTS as best and TPM as worst prequels.

Oh, wait… hahaha, it’s funny how most people not from this forum that I’ve talked to about this seem to agree that ROTS is the best of the bunch and TPM the worst.

I think that’s because ROTS has all the stuff that should have been spread out across all three films.
It’s the stuff we were all excited to see in this trilogy. So, even though it’s all silly, corny, contrived and shoe-horned in, it’s what we originally showed up to see in 1999. It’s all just done quick, dirty, very poorly and crammed into one film. And this makes it the worst for me.
TPM at least looks like a movie and has some spirit to it. It’s also terrible though.

Yep, all of this. Though I do still think ROTS is better than the horrendous mess that is AOTC.

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#1288947
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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SWOTFAN25 said:

ATMachine said:

Now JJ is back, and is scrambling to do something with Palpatine because he can’t use Snoke anymore. This back-and-forth is leading to successive films where the narrative elements are working against each other, rather than helping each other tell a grander saga.

I don’t think that’s fair. It’s really pretentious to say JJ is “scrambling” to use Palpatine. You literally have zero idea on how he will be used narratively. And you’re just assuming JJ needs to replace Snoke because Rian killed him off. That way of thinking is why fans will hate 9 regardless of quality.

Quoted for truth (emphasis mine).