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#357423
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"Fanboys" and "Star Wait" (fan made Star Wars movies)
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Fanboys is fantastic.  So funny - I'm glad it was released in theaters in Chicago, but it's a shame it wasn't given a wide release.  I'd highly recommend it to anyone, doubly so to any 'Star Wars' fan.  One note - it was written in 1998, and is about a group of friends attempting to break into Skywalker Ranch to see Episode I before their friend dies of cancer (his prognosis means he'll die before the film is released).  Because of this, every reference in the film is to the OT, and there really aren't any SE references either.  But it's not negative toward the PT - it was just written before anyone had seen the PT.

There is, however, one reference toward TPM specifically that I assume was added after TPM was relased.  SPOILER ALERT!!!

 

 

 

 

... At the end, when everyone sits down in a theater to watch TPM for the first time, one friend turns to the other and says, "Wait ... what if it sucks?"  Cut to black, credits roll.  It's the only reference to the PT in the film (beyond the fact that the plot revolves around seeing TPM early), and it's perfect.

 

 

 

 

END OF SPOILERS.

I have not seen "Star Wait," though, so I can't comment on that.

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#357374
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<em>SIX</em> fantastic brand new preservation projects..... (Released)
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Apologies for bumping such an old thread, but I figured this is as good a place as any to put out this request.

I'm looking for the PCM stereo audio from the following laserdiscs:

The Empire Strikes Back
- 1985 Pan and Scan CAV, CX Stereo, 3 discs, Standard Play (1980 theatrical stereo mix?)
- 1989 Widescreen CLV, CX Stereo, 2 discs, Extended Play (1985 stereo remix?)

Return of the Jedi
- 1986 Pan and Scan CLV, CX Stereo, 2 disc, Extended Play (I'd assume this is either the 1983 theatrical stereo, or the 1985 remix if ROTJ was, in fact, ever remixed in 1985)

Basically I'm looking for all the different audio mixes I can find.  I have:

Star Wars
- 1977 Theatrical Mono
- 1977 Theatrical Stereo
- 1985 Stereo Remix
- 1993 Stereo Remix (GOUT rip)

The Empire Strikes Back
- 1993 Stereo Remix (GOUT rip)

Return of the Jedi
- 1993 Stereo Remix (GOUT rip)

I know Empire had 1980, 1985, and 1993 mixes, but I haven't been able to find any but the 1993 mix.  I also don't know what the differences are between the 1980 and 1985 mixes.

I have no idea if Jedi was ever re-mixed - if it was, my assumption would be that it was re-mixed in 1993, but not 1985, which would mean there's a 1983 theatrical mix and a 1993 stereo remix.  However, it's also possible it was never remixed and the 1993 stereo remix is actually identical to the 1983 stereo mix.

Basically, I'm trying to make a custom DVD set with as many of the original sound mixes as I possibly can, and I'm not all that knowledgeable about the mixes for ESB and ROTJ.  If anyone can help me out, that would be fantastic - just shoot me a PM.  Thanks in advance!

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#357367
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Question about the 85 mix
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IIRC, the 1985 mix was very close to the 1977 stereo mix, but I do know there are some differences.  I just don't know exactly what.  I have a LD transfer of the 85 mix in three parts, not synchronized to any video, so when I start working on that I'll learn a bit more about it.

What I want to know as far as "Star Wars" sound mixes go:

- Is there a difference between the 1980 and 1985 mixes of "Empire," or are those all the same?  Is the 1980 mix available anywhere?  (I know the 1993 mix is missing a sound effect in the Hoth battle, IIRC)

- Was ROTJ ever remixed, or are the 1983, 1985, and 1993 the same?  Is the 1983 audio available anywhere?

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#357253
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A theory about the coloring on the 04 DVDs.
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So they claim.  My opinion on that: they say that just so it gives them a good reason not to release the OOT in decent quality.

All that was changed were effects - there's quite literally no reason whatsoever why any negative would be damaged in what they did for the SEs.

Even if this is the case, there's still the master interpositive that was made from the original negative, which was used to make release prints.  If the GOUT is anything to go on though, it appears that this copy may have been lost or destroyed prior to 1993, forcing them to use a copy of *that*.

Then there's the copies of all three originals (pre-ANH for the first one!) that sit in the national film registry preserved as best they can be.

Then there's the 3-strip archival copies MADE FROM THE ORIGINAL NEGATIVES that Lucas himself has in his vaults (he has personally said this to be true).  That would be the BEST way, period, to restore the OOT.

Why would that be better than using the camera negative?  Technically, it wouldn't be.  But assuming the o-neg has been lost or destroyed, then it's the best way for many reasons:

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NOTE: A LOT OF FILM TECHNOBABBLE AHEAD!!! (Also highly speculative since it's likely that none of this will ever happen)

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First, Lucas' 3-strip archival prints would have been made from the camera negatives and printed to very, very fine-grained archival-grade film, so it would have less grain than a release print (which would have been made from the interpositive made from the negatives, adding another generation and more grain)

Second, and perhaps more important, is inherent in the way three-strip archival prints work.  They use three, very, very fine-grained black and white prints.  Each of the three is made by shining a red, green, or blue light through the negative, so there's a red print, a green print, and a blue print (though they're in black-and-white).

Making a color print from these three is simple - you run each print on top of the same negative, shining a red light throuh on the red print, blue for the blue print, and green for the green print.  What you have after is a print that is 100% perfectly color-timed the way it was originally.  There would be no color issues whatsoever.

The problem with this in the past has been not lining up all 3 exactly right, but as has been proven with the recent Wizard of Oz restoration (which was *shot* in 3-strip Technicolor - Star Wars was shot with one-strip 35mm, and a 3-strip archival print was made from that), modern restoration techniques can eliminate this problem.

The only other potental issue that could arise from this method is the compounding film grain of each of the 3 prints, but it would be nowhere near the level of the GOUT.  This could be easily remedied by applying a very, very, VERY small amount of grain removal on each of the three prints before combining them (I stress VERY small for a reason).

The ideal solution, though, would be to scan the original 35mm camera negatives at 4k and the VistaVision optical effects at 6k, and use the 3-strip print as a color reference.  That would give us the absolute best possible OOT preservation, ever.

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#357228
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A theory about the coloring on the 04 DVDs.
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GOUT has too much because it's not just the camera-negative's grain.  The GOUT was transferred from a print that was several generations away from the source, and thus had extra grain.  Basically every time it's printed onto new film, the grain from the film it's being transferred to is ADDED to the grain that's on the original, so you have double the grain (a very simplistic explanation, since different film stocks have different levels of grain, so it'll never be a straight doubling, but you get the picture).

The GOUT looks like it's been copied at least three or four times, so it has about three to four times the amount of grain it should have.

Good transfers will use either the original camera negatives or the interpositive made from those negatives (if there were a lot of optical effects, or if the original camera negatives are unusable for some reason).

So no, grain in itself is NOT bad, but extra, unnecessary grain that wasn't meant to be there IS bad.

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#357205
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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I never noticed that.  I would have absolutely no problem with it standing still, but it's moving in the very first shot, then it cuts to inside the Star Destroyer and it's suddenly not moving at all.  I think the best thing to do is to make it still in the first shot - it doesn't really *need* to be moving anyway, right?

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#357203
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A theory about the coloring on the 04 DVDs.
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AxiaEuxine said:

No I can't I was responding more to one of the quotes above than any actual experience with it. If filmgrain could be removed in a way that would enhance the picture I don't understand why anyone would be against it.

That's the point - it can't be removed without destroying visual information.  The only way to remove grain is to blur the image and resharpen it (anyone who tells you different, saying they're using an "advanced" or "experimental" technique is feeding you a bunch of bullshit), and by doing that you destroy fine detail.  It gives everything a plastic-like look, and destroys the intentions of the director and cinematographer.

Grain is not a bad thing, at all.  If the cinematographer or director wanted there to be no grain at all, they'd use a very fine-grained film (believe it or not, there is film that's "fast" enough that you pretty much can't see any grain at all, though it's still there - you'd need an incredibly sharp eye).

People like to say that the "that's how the cinematographer wanted it" argument isn't legitimate because if cinematographers had the option of grain or no grain, they'd go with no grain.  That's not true at all.  Being in film school, I know several cinematographers and many more people going to school for cinematography, and I don't know a single one of them that A) want a grain-free film, or B) is happy that film itself will be replaced by digital in the near future.  In fact, for a music video I edited that was shot digitally, I was specifically told to add film grain that matched a particular B&W film stock.

Grain is not bad.  It's what physically makes up the image, so removing it in any way will inherently destroy said image.

Here's a good example of grain removal techniques - you'll notice that ALL attempted techniques resulted in a blurred, less-detailed image:

ORIGINAL (no grain removal):

Grain Removal version #1:

Version #2:

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#357078
Topic
System Specs - Laptop vs Tower
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- Hard drive speed honestly doesn't matter with video editing.  I'm fairly certain all of my drives are 5,000 RPM, and I edit things for my Edit I class and for Directing III students all the time.

- I'd go with 3 GB of RAM.  I'm sure some will disagree with me and say 2 is enough, but RAM isn't terribly expensive, and the more the better.  The problem is that Premiere CS4 (at least on a Mac) can't read more than 3 GB, if I remember correctly.

- Laptops are just fine - I use a MacBook Pro myself.  I've been told that to get a comparable experience from a laptop and a desktop, the specs on the laptop should exceed those of the desktop, but I think that's bullshit myself.

- Are you looking at a Mac or a PC?

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#357075
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JasonN's PT FanEdits (Attack of the Federation, Twilight of the Republic, &amp; The Black Knight Rises) (Released) ** Revised V3 Cuts In The Works
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Obama 1 Kenobi said:

- Well there could be the odd tweak but can live with the "NOOOOO" - it may not be the best moment, in fact is so bad that it is almost good...

- The explanations I can live with.

- Perhaps leave in the 2nd birth but do not name the child at this point - that would keep some mystery? (I guess that would mean editing the explanations..)

- "So bad it's good" has no place in the birth of Darth Vader.

- I'd rather believe for myself that Anakin damaged her windpipe beyond repair than have a ridiculous explanation spoon-fed to me because Lucas thinks I'm an idiot and can't think for myself

- JasonN is editing ROTJ as well to remove Leia being Luke's sister, so adding the second birth would create a continuity error with his edits.

 

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#356960
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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EyeShotFirst said:

Yes but remember lukes rendezvous point was tatooine so their is a continuity issue. Just have it begin with death star. Then luke flies to Dagobah then we can just get to the rest

 

That's just it - it's their rendezvous point.  He didn't say he was heading straight there - he meant "after I take care of some shit, we'll meet up on Tatooine."  No continuity error at all.

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#356939
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Info: 2006 GOUT DVD using 'Faces' PCM Sound?
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I always use Adobe Encore for DVD authoring and encoding, and that has a pretty damn good AC3 encoder as well.

And I have Windows in the Boot Camp environment, it's just a pain in the ass to restart all the time.  Plus, despite the fact that I'm in film school for editing and should probably know how to use AviSynth ... I have not a single clue.  I'm not good at all with command-based programs, I need a GUI of some sort that I can figure out.

I can do color correction myself in Avid, so the only other thing I'd really want to do to the GOUT are make it anamorphic (which I have done), and stabilize the telecine judder, which I don't know how to do.  I'd rather not go into noise reduction, because despite the insane amount of noise and grain on the GOUT, there's already far too much detail lost due to DVNR, and I'd rather not add to that.

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#356831
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Davnes007 said:
ChainsawAsh said:
Janskeet said:

I'm a little confused by this idea of having Luke return to Ben's home in ROTJ?

By the way, your digital compositing work looks great!

The idea is to restructure the beginning of ROTJ.  The way I see it working best is like so:

- Opening crawl
- Vader visits Death Star
- Leia delivers Chewbacca to Jabba
- Luke (who has been training on Dagobah since the end of ESB) sees Yoda die
- Leia releases Han and is captured
- Luke lands on Tatooine that night and goes to Ben's hut - "I can't do it, Artoo" - Ben's conversation with Luke (I'm in favor of getting rid of Ben's conversation altogether)
- Artoo and Threepio visit Jabba and get captured (no message delivery, straight to dungeon)
- Luke arrives, film continues more or less like normal from here

Note that the Luke on Dagobah/Chewie's "bounty" scenes could be flipped, but I think this works best for pacing.

I'd be willing to give this idea a try, if that's okay with you?

 

Most of those ideas are taken from the ROTJ "Fan-O-Matic" thread (http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ROTJ-Fan-O-Matic-3-new-clips/post/284748/#post284748) - SSWR did a rough "mock-up" edit of the beginning of the film that's on YouTube (he's up to part 5 at the moment, which is to say up until the Rebels land on Endor).  Part 1 is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJOLKUR-420&feature=related, and parts 2-5 you can find on the links on the right-hand side of the screen.

I don't know if SSWR is planning on going any further than this - he's said that his thread is meant to give ideas to other faneditors, so I'm sure he wouldn't mind in the least if you use his ideas.

I myself am in the planning stages of an original trilogy edit (SW basically untouched, new ESB crawl, and ROTJ re-edited) using a lot of these ideas and this basic structure, but I almost want to wait until ROTJ:R comes out to see if I should even bother.  My thread for that project is here http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Star-Wars-The-Trilogy-NEW-TEST-CLIP-AVAILABLE/topic/10122/ (shameless plug, I know - my apologies).

In short, I don't care in the slightest, go for it!  I'd love to see someone tackle this - I have a lot more changes for ROTJ planned than I've let on, and ROTJ is the one movie I feel could benefit the most from a good fan edit, and it's a shame there are so few available.

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#356820
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Janskeet said:

I'm a little confused by this idea of having Luke return to Ben's home in ROTJ?

By the way, your digital compositing work looks great!

The idea is to restructure the beginning of ROTJ.  The way I see it working best is like so:

- Opening crawl
- Vader visits Death Star
- Leia delivers Chewbacca to Jabba
- Luke (who has been training on Dagobah since the end of ESB) sees Yoda die
- Leia releases Han and is captured
- Luke lands on Tatooine that night and goes to Ben's hut - "I can't do it, Artoo" - Ben's conversation with Luke (I'm in favor of getting rid of Ben's conversation altogether)
- Artoo and Threepio visit Jabba and get captured (no message delivery, straight to dungeon)
- Luke arrives, film continues more or less like normal from here

Note that the Luke on Dagobah/Chewie's "bounty" scenes could be flipped, but I think this works best for pacing.

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#356746
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Would it be possible to show the sand "falling in" and the Sarlacc mouth itself opening up from within the hole?  It would certainly establish that there's a large creature under the dunes, and would allow for the removal of the beak.  It's a lot of effects work, sure, but would it even be possible?

And Monroville, your suggestion #3 is a great idea, either instead of or in addition to showing the "monster" coming to the surface under the sand.

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#356731
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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Sevb32 said:

Guess I'll become a Yes-man.

Disagree all you want, there just has to be a point where you realize that you've made your case and there's nothing more you can do as far as convincing Adywan to change his mind goes.

If you're still unhappy with it, you can make your own edit.  Honestly, it's as simple as that.  Adywan has said repeatedly that he's not going to do this, and that's his decision.  Whether you agree with it or not, you should respect that, and not whine and bitch that you're not getting your way.