ChainsawAsh

That's good news!  I really hope this project can be salvaged.

I'm just sick of people coming in and asking "So is there any progress?" or "When will this be released?" when they could easily look at, say, the last two pages at the very least and know that they're just going to get shit for asking that and no real answers.

This thread hurts my brain ...

It's the same stick that was in all previous versions of the scene.  You can't fix the scale without putting that stick in front of him, since it's on the log Yoda's sitting on.  Unless you erase the stick completely.

Either way, I don't have a problem with it.

By the way, Ady, how do I go about donating?

*sigh* Goddamnit ... I'm not even going to bother this time ...

Ugh ... Twitter ... no, I can't say that I'm a fan of the whole social-networking thing.  I won't get a Twitter unless, for some reason, I'm required to for a job or school or something.

Speaking of school, I need to start spending less time here and more time finishing the 2 papers, editing project, and animation project I have to do by the end of the week (I haven't started this animation project and it's due on Thursday morning!) - but the good news is my semester is over on the 16th.  Christ, it seems so far away ...

I'll gladly donate as soon as the rest of my tax rebate comes back (I'm waiting on both an Indiana and an Illinois one).

In fact, I should check to see if that's here or not ...

adywan said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, it sounds like your drive is FAT32 - in order to change it, you need to reformat your hard drive, which means erasing everything.

no you don't have to do that. you can use a program like partition magic to change the formatting from FAT32 to NTFS without losing anything. All it does is change the file system so all your files aren't changed.

 

Huh.  That's cool.  I guess I did it the hard way last time.

I know it's a cliche, but you really do learn something new every day.  :-)

Yeah, it sounds like your drive is FAT32 - in order to change it, you need to reformat your hard drive, which means erasing everything.

Woo-hoo! :-D

vote_for_palpatine said:

 

TPM is like the other PT movies, in that I never have any desire to throw it in every now and then to watch it. The only PT I've watched in the past few years is fan edits.

I repeat myself, so I'll be brief: I wanted TPM to be good, and I left the theater trying to convince myself I had seen a good movie. The wet blanket of our group was immediate and accurate with his many criticisms of the film. He annoyed me that day, but he was right. That's what bothered me the most that day.

Quoted for truth.  This is exactly how I feel about TPM, and the PT in general, really.

shanerjedi said:

That's right. Open it on Dagobah and walla

 

I still disagree with this - opening the film on Dagobah causes pacing problems.

To solve this, my solution is:

- Open the film with Vader visiting the Death Star
- Cut to Leia in bounty hunter disguise delivering Chewbacca
- THEN Luke on Dagobah

It sounds stupid, but that really does fix the pacing problems encountered with moving the Dagobah scene.

Some people complain that opening the film this way doesn't give you enough of an introduction to Jabba's palace, but I disagree - you can easily establish that it's Jabba by changing Leia/Boushh's subtitles ("Greetings, mighty Jabba.  I bring you Chewbacca" or something), and if you start it with the dancer falling into the pit (but please for the love of God, no Lapti Nek!), it gives the opening a much more dark, foreboding feeling.  I think it works very well.

Oooh ... I'm so ecited that I just misspelled excited!

thunderclap said:

Alright... I keep forgetting to ask.  What is GOUT?

GOUT stands for "George's Original Unaltered Trilogy."  It refers to the 2006 DVD release which has the 2004 SE on disc 1 and the original theatrical versions on disc 2.

The acronym started because Lucasfilm advertised it as the "Original Unaltered Trilogy," but when we got it we realized it was just the 1993 Definitive Collection laserdisc masters, completely unchanged and unremastered (except there was a brand new telecine of the first shot of "Star Wars" that used the original, pre-ANH crawl) - so we referred to it as "George's" Original Unaltered Trilogy since it wasn't exactly what we had in mind for an official release of the OUT.

So the acronym became GOUT, and every time the GOUT is brought up in threads using that acronym we get nice ads that advertise "homemade" and otherwise sketchy remedies for gout, which, as rcb mentioned, is a foot condition.

shanerjedi said:

ChainsawAsh, Ben Burnt didnt work on ROTS as an editor. Just sound.

You sure?  I always thought he edited all 3 PT films.

I'd look it up, but I'm about to head to class, so that'll have to wait.  Interesting, though - I'd always attributed the editing flaws of the PT to the (apparently false) fact that they were cut by someone who typically only works with sound.

Well, the Pre-ANH one is the one that has both crawls, that are selectable when you start the film.  I don't think the original version (with mono mix) has the pre-ANH crawl.  But I could be wrong.

You want the EditDroid disc - it has a selectable opening crawl and the 1985 mix.  There's an earlier version that only has one crawl and the 1977 mono mix, but that's very hard to find, and it's not the version you want anyway.  Do you have a MySpleen account?

--edit--

Here is a link to information about the EditDroid set.

ben_danger said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAtC8lxQJg

 

it has some clips in, but really bad quality. interesting material though!

Ah, temp special effects.  Those are always fun to work with when you're editing.  I can only IMAGINE the headaches Ben Burtt had to deal with during ROTS - I mean, 95%* of that movie is CG, and editing that with temp effects ... *shudder*

*Rough estimate by me.  I stand by it and feel it's fairly accurate, though I haven't bothered to test it.

Grinder said:

I'm very bad at looking stuff up in the forums, can't find anything about the HD releases floating around. I recently got all episodes in full-HD at PAL speed, recorded from the BBC by someone. The sound on ANH was pretty crappy, with a lot of hiss on 3POs dialogue and a few blips. Can anyone elaborate of the different versions, there surely must have been NTSC broadcasts aswell.

I still am an OT-buff though, it hurts me a bit to be watching the SE verions volutarily, but man there's so much detail! I noticed several continuity errors I had never seen before.

Check out Adywan's AVCHD releases.  For ANH, he color-corrected the entire movie (similar to his Revisited color correction), made Han shoot first, and removed the Jabba scene.  Other than that, it's the 2004 SE.

For Empire, he color-corrected the entire movie again, and restored everything to its 1997 SE state (original Emperor instead of McDiarmid, Boba Fett's original voice, Luke screams when he falls, etc.) - but I don't know if he reverted things that were continuity fixes (like Han's "vest," or fixed rank insignia).

And both of those are in 1080p AVCHD - which means you burn the image to a dual-layer DVD, and it plays in Blu-Ray players and a PS3 (not Xbox 360, since any player will recognize it as a Blu-Ray disc, since that's how it's authored).

He's not doing ROTJ until he finishes ESB Revisited (which will be released in standard-def and 720p AVCHD, by the way, but since ANH Revisited was all done in SD that won't get any better than the current DVD-9, which is still fantastic), but I believe his plans for that are to revert it to the 1997 SE the same way he did with Empire.

I don't know if he has plans for the prequels in HD.

And then there's Wookie Gromer's HD releases, which he's revamping with color-correction soon if I recall.

Yeah, it needs to look like old burn scars, not recently-charred flesh.

For example (not me, found it on Google image search):

THAT'S what old burn scars look like, not blackened, charred flesh.

Arkanian said:

Hello.

Heres my two cents on the project.

Overall it is a remarkable improvement upon any official releases out there, and essentially a saving grace for all those true fans who remained feeling neglected after Lucas' tampering.

Great array of technical fixes and wonderful visual improvements (To me its the little things that make the movie so much better and elevate the film quality, eg. the new death star hologram additions, improved and added ships, etc.), the restored Greedo scene, and wise removal of the extended Mos Eisley scenes, these I think remain the most important and valued changes.

Yet there are things that either bothered me or felt unnecessary, for example the changing the type of hand of Ponda Baba, (I do believe that officially there was another varient of the species had that padlike hand) was kind off unnecessary. The extended reveals also in a way, although a nice effort, do not fit in well neither does the music, and feels cringy in terms of plain old film making. Neither does the Ben's home rearrangment scene fit well for me. For this I am thankful of the purist release.

Nevertheless the above assessments are either indifferent or have been attended by Adywan himself.

Now I come to what I really wanted to address and not sound like a review rather a request. A few things that should not have been changed and were you kind off became your own "George Lucas" is Chewbacca getting the medal and Lukes reaction to Biggs' death.

Essentially these are plot elements and should not have been changed not for the sake of my opinion or what I would like but for the sake of the film. If in the story he does not get a medal, then he doesn't get a medal. Maybe its a customary thing that a slave does not get the medal or that it was reserved for the captain of the ship in getting the medal as representing the whole crew ie. Han. I don't know the reason. But thats how scene was since the original release. Same thing with Lukes reaction to Biggs death if thats how he originally reacted, then thats how he reacted, why? that can be discussed, maybe it reveals a more reserved nature in Luke tied with the moment and his relationship with Biggs. These changes, however minute, change the plot element. Just like the change in the Greedo scene changed the character of Han.

Is there anyway that these issues could possibly be addressed in a future in the Purist edition or a possible future "revisit of the revisited" :b All this might sound a bit nitpicky of a fantastic job, but it would make all the other valuable improvements made by Adywan to the movie all the more special if some things just remain untouched. :)

Oh boy ... you're not going to like ROTJ Revisited ... not at all ...

Usually when an editor flips a shot, it's to preserve continuity of screen direction, and the editor figured that the discontinuity of a mirrored shot was less important than the continuity of screen direction.  Sometimes shots can be flipped back and it won't be a problem, but in this case I'm betting that when Ady flipped the shot back, they were running/walking the wrong direction.  Usually, flipped shots aren't very noticeable, but in the case of "Star Wars" where a lot of things are asymmetrical (like Artoo, or Chewie's ammo sash), it can stick out more than usual.

Oooh ... me like ... comparisons, anyone?

I thought the "sweetened" effects were done for the 1993 mix, and the 1985 mix was mainly to add in a few things from the mono mix that were missing from the 1977 stereo mix.

But I don't know too much about the 1985 mix, so I'm also not the one to ask about these things.

And Erik, the glass-breaking sounds were indeed added in the 1993 mix if I'm not mistaken.

Well, posting links to fanedits is against the forum rules, so he can't do that.  Fanedit.org used to post links, but the MPAA put a stop to that, so now it just holds the information about each fanedit.

These edits, however, are up on linktalk, and if you're not a Rapidshare fan they're up on Demonoid as well.

rcb said:

Janskeet said:

I don't understand why they didn't use David Prowse for the face of Darth Vader. He was the man behind the mask in all three films, I think he should've got the glory of it. Surely they could've made up his face with prothstetics and make-up to look like that anyway. David Prowse's face looks more like I imagined as the face behind the mask anyways.

 

 GL felt hayden deserved it since he was playing the character who would become darth vader.

I think he meant for the unmasking scene in 1983, when Hayden was two years old, so I doubt that was the reasoning. ;-)