ChainsawAsh

I've just finished watching the first 45 minutes of ESB, and I only noticed one potential sync issue that I think is just bad ADR (that is, part of the mix and beyond your control).  From my notes:

- First sighting of the AT-ATs - "Echo station, 3TA(?) - We have spotted Imperial walkers!" seems to be out of sync.

Other things I've noted:

- There's a weird little "Bong" at the beginning (some CBS/Fox Home Entertainment thing from the laserdisc, most likely), just before the 20th Century Fox fanfare begins.

- Wampa scene: I think this is just an oddity of the 1980 mix, but I don't remember ever hearing the sound of Luke's lightsaber igniting twice in quick succession like that.

Other than that, I have found absolutely no issues in the first 45 minutes.  To top that off, this mix feels much clearer than the 1993 mix ever did (I don't remember the 1985 mix of "Empire" very well, so I can't compare this with that).  It's wonderful to have the snowspeeder crash sound effect back, too.  General room tone and ambience seems to be more pronounced, which is something I noticed with the 1977 stereo mix of ANH, as well.

I have a very strong feeling this is going to be my audio mix of choice for Empire!  Thank you so much for taking this task on, DJ!

Now to finish Empire ... (I'm gonna watch Jedi either later tonight or tomorrow, I'll let you know how that goes, too)

I'm not on AIM, sorry.  I don't do the whole IM thing anymore.  I do check my email often enough that I get PMs right away, though (thank you, Droid Eris) - I'll go chuck some of my old PMs so I don't have to worry about my inbox filling up.

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Damn, all I had to do was delete any Janskeet-related PMs - that made up around 40-60% of ALL my inbox/outbox!

Chicagoans aren't known for their support of both baseball teams.  If the Sox were in the World Series, Cubs fans would generally root for the other team.  And vice versa.

That's where I got it.

I just checked my copy of Dark_Jedi's GOUT, and it turns out I have your music-edited Jedi mix!  So disregard my last post.

It sure makes the Luke/Obi-Wan scene feel quite different!

hairy_hen said:

Jedi: ... music-edited 5.1 (already available).

I just saw this.  I was under the impression that Jedi was finished, but not available.  If I'm wrong, could you PM me with a link to the AC3 file?

DJ, that Version 3 cap looks - to me - far superior than either of the two caps EvilSupes posted.  That's got me immensely excited for your V3 release!  *Jumps up and down like a little girl*

Dark_Jedi is working on a new version that includes all the original audio mixes as well (1977 mono/stereo, Hairy_Hen's recreation of the 1977 70mm six-track mix in 5.1, and DJ himself is working on syncing the 1980 and 1983 stereo mixes for ESB and ROTJ).

EditDroid has a decent one out now, with the 1977 mono mix and a newly-created 5.1 track, but I don't like their Greedo subtitles at all.

Not to speak for Ady, but I personally feel that a dedicated website will draw too much attention to a project that exists in a legal gray area at best.

Besides, there's a Facebook page, and (possibly? not sure) a Twitter, and here!

zombie84 said:

Can you just sync it the way editors do when there is no slate clap or time-code-slate? You basically just find something in the scene that substitutes for a slate clap. So if something gets banged, something drops, something explodes, any sort of clear picture-sound correspondance that you can pin down to a frame or two. It'd be a lot of work, but if you basically do a check like this every five or ten minutes it could be a way to make sure nothing is out of sync.

This is how you pretty much have to do it if you're syncing to video and not the GOUT audio.  Don't try to sync voices to lips, that's too damn hard.

On a quick skim-through, it seems to be perfect in some places, and close-but-not-quite-there in others.

Have you been syncing to the video, or to the GOUT audio?  I feel it'd be easier to sync to the audio instead of the video, myself - you can tell when audio's out of phase by listening to both simultaneously much more easily than guessing if the audio is drifting or not from watching it with the video.

I've just finished downloading it.  I'll sync it up and watch the whole thing tonight and take detailed notes for you tomorrow.

Oh, don't worry, there's interest.  I'm downloading it right now!

Yeah, after thinking about it, I have to agree with zombie on this.  Keep the timing (the 2-frame thing) as is on both films, and same with the positioning/size.  It's better to preserve the theatrical format than to cater to outdated hardware.

A 4:3 monitor doesn't have overscan like a 4:3 TV, so no, it wouldn't be the same.

Basically, the TV safe zone is only an issue if you're using a CRT - most LCDs, plasmas, or DLPs show the whole image with no (or very little) overscan.  But CRT computer monitors generally let you adjust the size of the screen image so there is no overscan (and usually the default setting has a bunch of black space around the image to prevent overscan anyway).

A DVD-5 is 4.7 GB, whereas a DVD-9 is 8.5 GB, so it can hold more information, thus the bitrate (and video quality) is higher.  To burn a dual-layer copy, you need a burner that can do dual-layer, and you need dual-layer blank media (I'd recommend Verbatim DVD+R DL discs).

If you want Revisited, definitely go with the dual-layer DVD-9 - it has one or two "corrections" from the single-layer version, and the video quality is higher.

If you're simply looking for video quality, go with the modified 2004 SE, which is 1080p AVCHD - basically a Blu-Ray on a dual-layer DVD.  However, this is NOT REVISTED - it's a modified version of the 2004 SE, with CG Jabba, Rontos, etc., but with Han shooting first instead of Greedo.

Note that for either of those, you DO need a dual-layer burner and media.

Oh man, that looks awesome!  Thank you so much for putting so much work into this!

Two critiques:

"It's too late.  You should have paid him when you had the chance" seems like it might be just outside the "TV safe" zone.  Same with "...who drop their shipments at the first sign of an Imperial cruiser."

And I still don't know where I stand on the "two frames" issue ... it still bugs me, but it's how it was originally, right?

I wrote a very long and detailed reply, then realized Ady had already replied.

But instead of scrapping my whole post, I figured it might be a good idea to compile a list of all of Ady's projects that are available, so here's the last half of my original reply:

Star Wars Projects by Adywan

Star Wars (aka A New Hope)
REVISITED - 576p/480p DVD-5 Single Layer (PAL/NTSC)
REVISITED - 576p/480p DVD-9 Dual Layer (PAL/NTSC)
REVISITED (PURIST EDITION) - 576p/480p DVD-5 Single Layer (PAL/NTSC)
Modified 2004 SE - 1080p AVCHD DVD-9 Dual Layer

The Empire Strikes Back
REVISITED (Not Yet Released!) - 576p/480p DVD (PAL/NTSC)
REVISITED (Not Yet Released!) - 720p AVCHD
1997 SE Restoration - 1080p AVCHD DVD-9 Dual Layer
1980 Theatrical Restoration - 480p DVD-5 Single Layer (NTSC - is there a PAL version of this?)

Return of the Jedi
NOTHING HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED YET

The Phantom Menace
2001 DVD Cut - 1080p AVCHD DVD-9 Dual Layer
1999 Theatrical Restoration - 480p DVD-9 Dual Layer (NTSC - is there a PAL version of this?

Attack of the Clones
NOTHING HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED YET

Revenge of the Sith
NOTHING HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED YET

There.  Did I miss anything, Ady?  If you don't want something like this up here, I can always take it down, too.

Just got the first part - 204,472,320 bytes as Darth Mallwalker said.  Downloading Part 2 now ... we'll see how this goes ...

--edit--

Brilliant!  It worked this time!  Now to synch it up and check it out...

--edit2--

Well, I haven't had a chance to check this out on a 5.1 system (everyone else is asleep), but I did get to listen to a bit of it on my Sennheiser mixing headphones ... and holy shit does this sound amazing!  I can't wait to check it out in surround tomorrow!

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And I just got to sample it in surround.

Holy hell you've done a fantastic job, sir!  As much as I love having the original mono and stereo mixes, they don't quite cut it when you're watching it with a high-end 5.1 system that you just know can give it more "oomph."  Now,  you've given us that "oomph!"

I only got to sample certain scenes, so I didn't get to watch it in its entirety, but here's what I can say for certain.  The opening fly-over is pitch-perfect - plenty of bass, but not so much that it'll shatter your windows.  Every section I sampled has a nice surround ambience to it - this isn't a mix that'll have effects coming at you from behind, but it certainly helps to put you in the space with the characters.

And the Battle of Yavin and the destruction of the Death Star sounds simply superb.  Again, there's just the right amount of bass coming from the subwoofer, and it helps give the battle some much-needed "weight."

All in all, if we never get a true copy of the 70mm six-track, I won't really care.  In fact, I'm pretty sure if we did, I'd be underwhelmed after listening to this.

Highly recommended!

Precisely.  As I said earlier in the thread, I live less than a mile away from the United Center.

But my parents and brother live in northwest Indiana, so that's where I am from now until Monday.  Le sigh ...

Sadly, I'm going to be in Indiana for my brother's graduation all weekend, so I'm going to miss the parade.  :-(

They were really like that in the theater?  That's kind of annoying ... I don't know what I'd prefer.  The purist in me wants it to be exactly like it was in the theater, but the anal-retentiveness in me wants it to be slightly more aesthetically pleasing...

Dadada dadada dadadadadadada!!!!!!!!

Seriously though, Frink's right, Warb.  You guys done good.  Hell, you came within a hair's breadth of getting a game 7, and we were playing better than we did all year (except for game 5)!

You guys can do it next year!

doubleofive said:

A great resource if you want to make a cliched comedy. If I ever make a movie, I'm going to go through TV Tropes and try to hit as many tropes as I can. Then I'd have a bonus feature subtitle track that lists off the Tropes as they happen.

 

I really want to do this now.

Found a use for that second post after all:

Alright, I just finished watching the test.  It looks very good, but here's 2 critiques for making it better:

1. The subs definitely need to be blurred slightly to fit with the slightly-blurred GOUT picture.
2. You tend to have the subs end a couple frames before the shot changes.  I'd keep the subs visible until the last frame of the shot if it's that close - that way, it's a more natural transition, since you're changing the entire image anyway.  That's part of what I don't like about player-generated subtitles - they almost always go a little too far after the cut, or end a little bit earlier, whereas most burned-in subtitles will end ON the cut.

For example, "I told you not to admit him" needs to end 2 frames later, as do "You weak-minded fool," "Your mind powers will not work on me, boy," "There will be no bargain, young Jedi," and "I shall enjoy watching you die."  "He's using an old Jedi mind trick" is perfect, though!

And, of course, adding the grain to the subtitles (in addition to the slight blurring) will make it blend significantly more seamlessly.