ChainsawAsh

No, it was scored, but never included in any version of the movie (be it 70mm, 35mm, or Special Edition).  Hairy_Hen felt it added a lot to the scene, so he included the cue in his 5.1 upmix of Jedi.  It's available on various soundtracks, IIRC.

There are also several cues that were cut from Empire, but I believe Hairy_Hen isn't reincorporating those in his 5.1 upmix because he feels the scenes work better without the music (sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth, HH, I'm just going on what I remember).  He is, however, fixing music cue transitions that were badly done in the 1980 theatrical release, but fixed in the 1997 Special Edition.  I believe he's using the 1997 SE mix for those portions.

Oh dear God, I can't stand that movie.

Great GIF, though - I'm sure you won't have any trouble finding another place to use it here.  ;-)

Ha!  I saw that on TheDigitalBits and thought of you, Frink - glad you saw it, too!

Exactly what I was thinking...

They're not, and no, there really wouldn't be any benefits to upconverting.

I don't see how it's up for debate, but apparently it is.  Ady has said he's going back to the 1980 voice, which I agree with, but many feel that since he's a clone, he should sound the same as Jango, who has a Kiwi accent.

But accents aren't genetic, they're learned, and Boba has had a couple decades to shed it.  My best friend's mom is from Germany, and has only been living in the US for 20 years.  I've known her for 13, and I clearly have heard a difference between her thick 1997 accent and her almost nonexistent 2010 accent.  If you're immersed in a different accent for long enough, yours will change.

So I agree with Ady - Boba's voice should go back to its 1980 version.  It's also more menacing than Temuera Morrison's badly-read 2004 overdub.

IIRC, the Jedi 5.1 upmix that Hairy_Hen made is just the 1993 PCM upmixed to 5.1 with the music that was originally cut from the Ben/Luke conversation restored.  It's available on Dark_Jedi's previous GOUT restoration releases.

As such, it's not a 70mm restoration so much as it is an alternate 5.1 track with one scene of restored music not present in any other version.

I do have one question for you, Hairy_Hen - did you use the 1997 SE for the LFE channel in this the same way you did for the 70mm ANH recreation?  Or did you just use the information present in the 1993 track to create the LFE?

Hey, it's no biggie - it's hard to keep track of what's been fixed and what hasn't at this stage!

Already been fixed, it can be seen in one of the clips Ady has posted (that or the last trailer).

Nanner Split said:

I'm on TV Tropes! :D

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Oh no, I clicked on the link!

See you guys in three hours ...

Bingowings said:

This is what the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy has to say about Daleks.

I saw this the other day - hilarious, and very well done!

Oh, and Frink, I've seen the first two episodes of the BBC show, I just haven't seen the whole thing.  I liked what I saw so far quite a bit - very faithful to the radio series.

Agreed.  3 is fantastic!  How can you not own the book with Agrajag in it?

I also prefer the first two radio shows over the books.  The remaining radio dramas that adapt books 3-5 (and attempt to reconcile the continuity issues caused by using book 3 as a sequel to radio show 2) are decent, but obviously suffer from many of the same issues that books 4 and 5 suffer from.

Now that I think about it, I've never watched the entirety of the BBC TV series ... I should get on that ...

What are you converting from, and what do you want to convert it to?

He only does that in the first, say, quarter of the book or so.  I could be wrong about that, since it didn't really bother me as I haven't read the first five books in quite a long time (I didn't even remember who Random was when I started reading it).

You'll be incredibly sick of "froody" by the end of the book, though.

I just finished reading Eoin Colfer's sequel to Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide series (titled And Another Thing...), and I was surprised to discover that I actually liked it.  At least, I liked it better than So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish and Mostly Harmless.

It wasn't without its problems, such as the overuse of "froody" and the many, many mentions of Eccentrica Gallumbitis, the triple-breasted whore of Eroticon 6, from the original series.  I assume he did this in order to make it "feel" more like a Hitchhiker's Guide book, but they grow old very quickly.  The book also had much more of a plot than any of Adams' entries in the series did.

But I did feel that Colfer managed to capture the overall spirit of the books quite well, and it was a much more fitting ending than Adams' apparent killing of all the main characters at the end of Mostly Harmless.

All in all, I was pleasantly surprised by the book.  I'd give it a 7/10.  My rankings for the series, in order of my favorite to least favorite:

Life, the Universe, and Everything (3rd book)
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (1st book)
The Restaurant at the End of the Universe (2nd book)
And Another Thing... (6th book)
Mostly Harmless (5th book)
So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish (4th book)

So, has anyone else read it? What did you think?

I must be the only one who really doesn't like the 93 mixes around here.  The missing snowspeeder effect in ESB, all the stupid glass-shattering in ANH...

Chewtobacca said:

I like the 85 stereo. :-( Perhaps you could follow mysycamore's advice about the theatrical mixes but put the other synced audio mixes in the DVD-ROM folder so people could mux them if they want to do so.

Hey, I grew up with the 85 stereo, I have nothing against it.  I just feel that, what with the theatrical-recreated subtitles and the ability to, for the first time, have the honest-to-god ORIGINAL audio tracks for ALL 3 FILMS, that these discs should recreate the theatrical experience as much as possible.  Therefore, including home video-exclusive mixes seems to go against that purpose (in my opinion).

Hairy_hen's 5.1 tracks help to simulate the 70mm experience, as well (even if they're not exact), so I would include those over the 85 or 93 stereo mixes.

DJ, your post implied that you were putting the 35mm stereo mix on the DVD twice (you listed "77 stereo" and "35mm stereo" seperately).  msycamore was confused by this and assumed that when you said "35mm stereo," you meant "85 stereo."

The only difference I know of between the 77 and 85 stereo is, as msycamore said, 3PO's tractor beam line from the mono mix, which isn't in any other version until 1997.  I feel like there are a couple other differences, but I don't know for sure.

Honestly, I'd agree with msycamore - drop the 85 stereo and 93 stereo, and just include the theatrical mixes (77 stereo and 77 mono) and hairy_hen's 5.1 track (in ANH's case, a recreation of the 77 six-track 70mm).

Whichever version I saw at the Chicago Music Box Theatre a couple Halloweens ago with live organ accompaniment seemed to be pretty "correct" to me.  It had all the color-tinted scenes, and I believe the intertitles were in German with English subtitles.  (I could be misremembering that bit, though.)

Finished (finally)!

Here's what I noticed in the last hour of the film:

- There may be a skip of some kind after Yoda says "No, there is another."  I could very easily be wrong about this, it's nowhere near as glaring as the next one, and it could easily be another curious thing about the mix like the double-igniting lightsaber.
- There IS, as hairy_hen noted, a glaring side change skip at around 1:39:26, as Luke enters the carbon freezing chamber.  This is very distracting and needs to be fixed.

Other than that (and I'm not even sure the first one is an issue), I didn't notice any sync issues whatsoever.  I don't doubt that hairy_hen's analysis of the sync being up to a frame off in parts, but I never noticed it, or at least it wasn't distracting to me.

I did notice that there isn't much that's significantly different between this mix and the '93 in the same way that ANH's mixes differ.  It's little things, but being the purist I am, I'm glad to have the real original mix available.  And some things (*ahem*Snowspeeder sound effect*ahem*) that ARE different are, in my personal opinion, very important.

Once this is finished, I'll never watch ESB with a different audio mix again (with the likely exception of hairy_hen's forthcoming 5.1 mix).

You've done a man's job, sir!  ROTJ is up tomorrow...

--edit--

Holy shit, the double-igniting-lightsaber effect is in the 93 mix too!  How did I never notice that?!

TV's Frink said:

This may be my most off-topic post ever, which is saying something.

A long long time ago, when we lived in Chicago, my father worked at Jewel for a bit.

If it was the Jewel at Roosevelt and Ashland, that's the one I was at.

I'd like to know for sure if Empire was remixed in 1985 or not.  If it wasn't, it stands to reason that Jedi wasn't, either.

However, I have to say, I've been listening to DJ's capture on mixing-quality Sennheiser headphones, and I haven't noticed any tape hiss as you mentioned.

I have noticed what may be distortion due to capturing in the scene where Luke's X-Wing is flying through Dagobah's atmosphere, but that may have also been intentional (almost like the X-Wing's instruments are getting static from the atmosphere or something).

If the post-1985 LD was in fact remixed, I'd sync it anyway - it'd be nice to have the 1980, 1985, and 1993 mixes all synced for posterity.

Uploading the clip isn't necessary, the parts just before and just after are in sync, so bad ADR sounds right to me.  I figured that was probably the issue anyway.

Since I'm watching specifically to find sync issues, things like that jump out at me more than they ever normally would.

Getting through ESB is slow going at the moment, what with cooking dinner and running back and forth between home and Jewel (can you believe I bought Manwich sauce but no ground beef?  That was stupid ... ) - I'm only an hour and 4 minutes in at the moment (just after the water splashing sound I mentioned).

msycamore, I hadn't thought about the reduced dynamic range before - that explains why room tone and other ambience seem more pronounced in this and the '77 stereo mixes.

And I can't believe I've never noticed the water-splashing before ...

Oh, I understand - take a nice break, and come back later with fresh ears!

Yeah, leave the double-lighsaber-light-up, it's a mistake but I like it.  And it's clearly part of the original mix.

Now, here's something I've never noticed before - I dunno if it's "new" to the 1980 mix, or if I'm just thick and never noticed.  If someone could let me know if this appears on the 1985/1993 mix, I'd be very interested:

When Luke enters "The Cave" and meets Luke-Vader, right before Vader appears we hear splashing off-screen, then the sound of water sloshing, making it sound as if not-really-Vader is coming from inside a pond or something.  I think it's kinda cool, but as I said, maybe it's always been there and I'm just thick.

For the record, if the igniting-the-lightsaber-twice thing is legitimately a part of the mix on the laserdisc, don't change it.  I just thought it was interesting enough to make a note of.