ChainsawAsh

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I'm not hearing a "no" ...

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Are you coming on to me...?

ABC, I've added my thoughts to the IE thread.  Sorry I hadn't done it sooner - I honestly thought I had.

Well, at any rate, it's there now.

I guess I hadn't left my feedback in here.  Now I feel like an ass.

Initially, all I was expecting to come of this project was an isolated score made with ABC's brilliant-sounding audio restoration.  And even if that's all this project was, I'd be 100% satisfied.

But the addition of the black-and-white video to the simply stunning audio restoration brought this to a whole different level.  It just gives the whole film a different - and, in my opinion, very exciting - feel.

When you watch/listen to an isolated score with a film in color, you still tend to add in the sounds of the film in your head.  And honestly, it sort of defeats the purpose of an isolated score, since you end up hearing more than just the music.

But putting the isolated score to black-and-white video really helps you to separate the music from your memories of the rest of the soundtrack.  And when this happens, your mind is free to let yourself be carried through the film by the music.

And when the music sounds as clear as it does here, this is truly something that must be experienced.

Ten stars out of five for this one, guys.  It's just amazing.  And it breaks my heart a little that you won't be doing this for the other two films.

(Note that if you do decide to do this for the other two, I'm gonna go ahead and throw my two cents in right now and say that there should be no subtitles for Greedo or Jabba in either film.  Just saying.)

A B C said:

Thanks. But why the hell don't you feedback guys ? That's THE thing I don't get in the preservations forum. I'd call that: "live and let die". Of course a good philosophy in some cases, but not here.

 

I thought I had left feedback in the IE thread?  I'll go check.  If I haven't, I will do now.

I think Series 5 is still shot in 1080i50.

At any rate, it's never been a problem for me, as I never watch them any higher than 720p anyway.

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Just looked into it, and I'm sort-of right, sort-of wrong.

All Doctor Who since Planet of the Dead in 2009 (this includes Series 5) was shot at 1080p25.  They were then edited, and effects were added, at 1080i50, as 1080p25 is not part of the broadcast standard.  As such, the fully-edited episodes are locked at 1080i50.  The UK Blu-Rays are (I believe) 1080i50, as well.

The US broadcasts are standards-converted from 1080i50 to 1080i60 for broadcast and Blu-Ray release.

A B C said:

ChainsawAsh said:

 

So don't you dare tell me that "nobody comes here at all anymore," or "the Preservation community has all but been swallowed up by fan edits."  That's a bunch of bullshit.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say I've been seeing more preservations than fan edits here lately.

Mmmhh. After thought it seems indeed to have taken a new breath since half a year. Besides, you have forgotten to mention one great preservation project... Hahem...

Hem...

Let go.

Ah!  I didn't notice your post before, sorry!

As great as the Imperial Edition is, I'm not sure if I'd consider it a "preservation."

Then again, I'm not sure if I'd consider it a "fan edit," either.

Hell, I don't know what to call it, but it's bloody fantastic, and is just one more example of how productive this community has been of late.

I'd still love to see you do Star Wars and Jedi in the same vein, with just as much care and love, but I understand your feelings toward the scores to those films (even if I respectfully disagree).

If anyone wants the ProRes codecs, PM me.  I don't have Final Cut, but I had to get the ProRes codecs to convert ProRes material to Avid DNxHD, so I have the necessary QuickTime component files.  They're super easy to install.

And no, they don't work for Windows.  OS X only.

Actually no, Year Zero for HD would be 2009.  Planet of the Dead was the first episode shot in HD, followed by The Waters of Mars and The End of Time - all three were shot in 1080i50.  (All 3 have been released on Blu-Ray as well, along with an upconverted version of The Next Doctor, which was shot in SD.)

Series 5 is the first full series to be shot in HD, though, you're right about that.

Well, early episodes of Doctor Who weren't really edited per se.  It was all done more or less live.

I'm really not that much of an expert on old Doctor Who.  You should check out the Restoration Team's website, they've got a lot of great, detailed information about each of the stories they've restored.

Double post, ghrargh!

I'll add one more if you're talking about non-Star Wars preservations:

THX 1138.  That's getting a brand-new laserdisc transfer thanks to SilverWook, though it's currently up in the air as to who is getting the raw AVI to make a DVD with.

Also, there was talk about attempting to preserve the original aspect ratio of Apocalypse Now, until it was revealed that the upcoming Blu-Ray will be in the original aspect ratio.

Although, to be fair, I wouldn't expect the non-Star Wars preservation section of this site to get nearly as much attention.  I mean, this is OriginalTrilogy.Com, not FilmPreservation.Com.

As far as old episodes of Doctor Who and Blu-Ray, the only one that would benefit is Spearhead from Space, as it's the only one that was shot entirely on film.  All the others were shot on video (though recent DVD restorations tend to be from film sources, as the video masters were printed to 16mm film for international distribution), so they can't have higher than SD resolution.

I honestly don't remember whether Spearhead was shot on 16 or 35mm film.  I'd like to know, though.

What are you talking about?

This is the first time in ages where we have several very high-quality preservation attempts going on at once.

There's Dark_Jedi's GOUT V3, which is shaping up to be the very best possible way to experience the 1977-1983 versions (first time EVERY audio mix will be available, and the first time the alien subtitles in ROTJ will be faithful to the theatrical subtitles).

Then there's Dark_Jedi's 1997 SE set, which will be the first time the 1997 SE has been widely available in acceptable quality on DVD (sourced from the broadcast versions, AND it'll include the 1997 5.1 mixes, AND it'll include faithful alien subtitles).

Then there's LeeThorogood's preservation of the PAL 1997 SE laserdiscs, which look damned good in their own right.

Then there's the more restoration-y "preservations," like Adywan's recent 1980 theatrical reconstruction of ESB (which is the BEST the theatrical cut of ESB will ever look, despite the one or two little, almost unnoticeable things left in from the SE's).  I just watched that one last night.  Amazing work.

Then there's Harmy's "Partly Despecialized Editions," inspired by Adywan's 1980 reconstruction, but in HD!  That's right, the theatrical cuts (or something very close to them) ... IN HIGH DEFINITION!

So don't you dare tell me that "nobody comes here at all anymore," or "the Preservation community has all but been swallowed up by fan edits."  That's a bunch of bullshit.  In fact, I'd go so far as to say I've been seeing more preservations than fan edits here lately.

I think he should have more distinct Jedi robes, if possible.

I like the added ropes.  I don't like the "I can see a lot better" line.

To anyone who thinks the "Vader is Luke's father" business was part of the "plan" all along:

I just finished reading the first draft of ESB (by Leigh Brackett).  It is made abundantly clear in that draft that Vader and Luke's father are two different people, and that Vader definitely killed Luke's father as part of the whole hunting-down-and-destroying-the-Jedi thing.

So yeah, the Vader-as-Luke's-father thing was thought up during the writing of ESB, not before.

And the Leia-as-Luke's-sister thing was thought up during the writing of ROTJ (though much earlier in the writing of that film than the father thing in ESB).  That came into being when Lucas changed his mind about making Episodes VII-IX, which were to revolve around Luke searching for his long-lost sister.  He now had one movie to wrap up the "There is another" plot point instead of four.

For those who call "bullshit" on that based on Leia hearing Luke's call at the end of ESB - Luke was specifically calling out to her.  If he'd called out to Lando instead, Lando would have heard him, too.  But Luke didn't know Lando at this point, he can't make a Force connection with a robot, and he can't speak Chewie's language, so Leia was pretty much his only option.

Alec Guiness' hesitation while explaining Luke's father's history, I feel, was just Alec trying to express how much that story pains Obi-Wan to tell.  It took on the extra meaning of Obi-Wan lying once Vader became Luke's father, and it was just a happy accident that that hesitation was there.

C3PX said:

I guess when it comes to fan edits, I have really high standards. If it doesn't look good enough to be able to fool someone who has never seen the film before into believing it could have been the studio release of the film, then it isn't up to my standards. Which is why I have never bothered to release any of my own edits.

I agree with you here.  Frankly, there's not many that reach that high standard.

There are only two that I've seen so far that I feel are truly "seamless" in the way you describe:

Terminator 3: The Coming Storm by Uncanny Antman
A.I.: Super-Toys Last All Summer Long by JasonN (this one isn't 100% seamless, but it's close, and it dramatically improves the film; the ending is slightly jarring, but it's much, much better than the theatrical version's ending)

Oh, come on.  You act as if that thread was a legitimate discussion to begin with.

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That's not the point.  The point is that you make these threads ALL THE GODDAMN TIME.  And it's getting old.

Stop beating the dead horse.  We get it already.  It's not like you have to convince us to be on your side on this issue, we're already there.

[I think I'm slowly turning into Frink ... that can't be good ... ]

There's one big mistake with that cover:

The "PG" logo uses the "Rated PG for ... " text that didn't exist until the early nineties.  The 1977 version would just be "PG" with no reasons why - the "Rated PG for ... " text is exclusive to the SE.

Other than that (and the implication that the true mono and six-track Dolby mixes aren't included), that's a pretty freakin' sweet "what-if" cover!

It'd be fantastic if someone like G-Force could work some image stabilization/cleanup magic on this - it sorely needs it.