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I don't think the Jedi bootleg is a 70mm recording, is it? And the 35mm mix is already on the V3.
I mean, technically HDMI should look better than component, even on DVD (since it's a digital medium). But the GOUT looking better through analog cables than digital makes sense to me, as that would help to hide some of the more glaring flaws. And the GOUT looking better over component than composite is just (to me, anyway) common sense.
Well, if he's leaving Endor for a Star Destroyer in this edit, the original (well, SE) line would work just fine, I think.
By the way, Spence, the Vader line that was being referred to earlier is the line he delivers to his stormtroopers after losing Luke at the end of ESB, but before returning to the Executor:
1980 theatrical: "Bring my shuttle."
1997/2004 SE: "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival."
The second line really sucks in that context, but I agree that it could work well in your edit.
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Any DVD will look better if you watch it using component video, as DVD is an inherently component medium, as opposed to VHS or laserdisc, which are composite media.
I'd recommend looking up some of the fan-made GOUT enhancements, like Dark_Jedi's upcoming V3 DVDs. They're converted to 16:9 anamorphic, and have some cleanup done as well.
Glad my logo is getting used by someone! ;-)
Looks great, Spence. Can't wait to see the final product!
There are a lot of ROTJ shots on this page. Not sure if DJ did more post-processing to them, but he used the GKAR as a base for Jedi, and the Flunk as a base for Empire and ANH.
I think there are some caps of the Flunk ANH earlier in the thread, but I know the caps in the first page or two (or three) are all laserdisc caps, none of which were used in the final discs.
rockin said:
I think what we would need is a hybrid version of all the best parts taken from the best sources to achieve what needs to be done getting it to look as close to the original as possible. So we could have a mixture of GOUT/04SE/97SE for particular parts but not too much that it becomes jarring between sources. As we know, that working from one source has its limitations, and in this case the GOUT source doesn't have all the colour information in parts that would be needed to recolour time it.
I've been thinking about hybridizing DJ's GOUT V3 and 97 SE V2 sets. That way, you don't have the immensely drastic difference in quality you get when combining the GOUT and the 04 DVD, but you still get better-than-GOUT quality for most of the movie.
This is not an "I'm definitely going to do this" thing, I'm just thinking about it. I would also do a full color pass at least scene by scene, if not shot by shot (depends on how much time I want to sink into working on this).
Oh, and csd79 & Adywan, your color tweaks both look absolutely amazing. That's how I want Star Wars to look, man ... fucking GL ...
EvixVortana said:
The question I had was in regards to a line of Vader's that was changed in the SE from something like, "Bring my shuttle," to "Alert my Star Destroyer to prepare for my arrival." I never heard the former, but I love the latter and the shot of the walk to the shuttle. I understand this is a great issue of contention with purists due to both the tone and disruption of the scene's flow. I understand it's a stupid excuse to explain how Vader gets back to the Executor.
My question is, could someone find a clip of the original line and post it here or PM it to me, if possible? I can't find it anywhere online, so if you could perhaps upload it to YouTube, that would be most appreciated.
Thanks.
For comparison's sake - Alert my star destroyer to prepare for my arrival.
Not a fan of the new line. Vader's supposed to be furious at losing Luke, and he sounds furious in the original line. He doesn't even sound mildly annoyed in the new one.
Also, if you haven't seen the pre-Special Edition (1977, 1980, 1983) versions of the original trilogy, I strongly advise you to. They're available in 4:3 letterbox form in the individually-sold 2-disc "Limited Edition" DVDs (on disc 2), or on the 6-disc Original Trilogy box set (also disc 2 of each movie).
For higher quality, there are fan-made preservations and enhancement of the aforementioned DVDs available on line. In particular, Dark_Jedi's GOUT V3 will be released soon, which promises to be the best version available of the films in their original form.
And welcome to the forum!
The DVNR on the 1993 laserdisc master (and, by extension, the GOUT) manifests mainly in heavy motion smearing. It may not be terribly noticeable to you, but to some it's very distracting.
Note that the Dark Jedi "Bonus" set mentioned previously would be the 1981 A New Hope version, though that (and the very first shot, since it's part of the same shot as the crawl) is the only difference content-wise between it and the original 1977 version.
And yeah, crushed blacks does mean loss of detail in dark areas, resulting in a "crunchier" image.
Finally, DJ's V3 GOUT isn't out just yet. He'll be releasing it quite soon, though - check out its thread for more information (I've linked you to the current page, as that will have the most up-to-date information).
Right now, I'd have to say Blade Runner is still my favorite.
However, I'll have to think a bit about movies I've seen since I declared Blade Runner my favorite, and decide if there's anything that might usurp its position.
Trailers would have been cut from prints that were not color timed yet. That's why a couple of Jedi trailers have Luke with a blue lightsaber - they shots weren't done yet.
I wouldn't trust them for a color reference one bit.
Yeah, that sounds most likely.
DarkJedi's GOUT is. It uses the 2006 DVDs (which use the 1977 pre-A New Hope crawl), makes them anamorphic 16:9, stabilizes the image, and does a little color and clean-up work, too. (This applies to the currently-available V1 and V2 sets, but the V3 set will look even nicer, as the cleanup script has been updated since the V2 release.)
On top of that, his V3 set (recently finished, soon-to-be-released) will contain the two 1977 35mm audio mixes (the stereo and mono mixes), a reconstruction of the 1977 70mm six-track mix in 5.1 surround, and both the 1985 and 1993 home video stereo remixes. (Empire and Jedi will contain their 1980 and 1983 theatrical stereo mixes, their 1993 home video stereo remixes, and 5.1 surround mixes that are essentially a hybrid of the two other mixes.) And it has theatrical-release-accurate subtitles for Greedo in Star Wars and Jabba in Jedi.
Woo! This is great news! Those covers all look fantastic as well, by the way. Very much looking forward to this!
Interesting. Guess I'm going to have to learn how to use AviSynth. And get a Windows machine...
Agreed, it was a great episode. Every time I'm ready to quit watching, the writers remind me that the show is still capable of being hilarious. I'll probably drop it after Carell leaves, but I'll watch a few episodes after 'cause I'm curious as to how they're going to do it.
Anyway, this is about a week late, but I watched the original V on Netflix Instant. Thing is, I assumed it was a 3-episode miniseries (not sure why I did), so when I got to the end of episode 2, I was furious that the third wasn't there. Then I was shocked that they ended the miniseries on such an indecisive note.
Then I started to watch V: The Final Battle, and lost interest about ten minutes in. I'm going to give it another shot in a week or so.
9 times is a lot, dude. How long have you even been here? Your profile is unviewable, so I can't check.
And why send a PM that just says LOL? Seriously?
Well, I done just got showed up. ;-)
I didn't realize it was inspired by the Atari cartridge - I was just going for something that matched AVP's cover. Looks like I needn't have bothered!
From posts on Gallifrey Base by members of the DW Restoration Team, and the RT's website, here is what I know about the process of releasing the TV Movie on DVD.
The 1996 US Broadcast
This version contains a title card reading "Based on the BBC TV Series" at the beginning. It is also uncensored, and includes fade-outs to commercial and fade-ins from commercial.
The master tape for this version is a component D1 tape, 29.97 fps interlaced, 525-line NTSC.
The 1996 UK Broadcast
This version removed the "Based on..." title card and all commercial fade-outs. It's unclear to me if this means that the fades were removed, or if they were simply cut off. It is also censored in some places, though some fans prefer the censored version (mainly for the "more dignified" manner in which the Seventh Doctor regenerates).
The master tape for this version was a normal NTSC-to-PAL standards conversion done in the US. Unfortunately, this version retains artifacts of 3:2 pulldown (basically, they directly converted 29.97fps to 25fps, instead of IVTC'ing first).
The Uncensored UK Broadcast
This version is the same as the US broadcast, but without the commercial fade-outs. It retains the "Based on..." caption and is uncensored.
This time, the BBC requested the NTSC master to convert themselves, at the advice of the Restoration Team. They converted from the NTSC 525-line, 29.97 fps D1 tape by IVTC'ing to 24fps, interpolating from 525 to 625 lines, then applying the 24->25fps conversion and the 4% speedup. The initial master tape was a component Digital Betacam, which was identical to the US broadcast, commercial fade-outs and all.
The BBC decided to once again remove the commercial fade-outs before broadcast. In doing so, they went from DigiBeta to composite D3 tape. This is what was broadcast uncensored after watershed in the UK.
The DVD (unsure how much of this applies to the "Revisitations" DVD versus the initial release)
This version is a bit of a hybrid between the earlier versions. It removes the "Based on..." title card and all commercial fade-outs (this time by cutting off the dissolves), but remains uncensored.
As the uncensored broadcast's composite D3 tape is unsuitable for transfer to the component DVD format, the RT went back to the PAL D1 master made for the uncensored broadcast, which, as has been stated, was IVTC'd from 29.97 to 24, then sped up to 25fps.
The RT cut out the commercial fades to match the uncensored UK broadcast exactly. In removing the "Based on..." caption, however, they had to go back to the original, flawed master initially given to the BBC, so that shot is an awkward 29.97-to-25fps-without-IVTC deal.
So, it seems, by this information, that it should be fairly easy to slow down the PAL DVD to 23.976fps, do something to fix the one cocked-up shot, and downsize from 720x576 to 720x480. Right?
Source - the Doctor Who Restoration Team website's section on the TV movie (refers to the earlier release, not the "Revisitations" set).
So the 1996 Doctor Who TV movie was finally released on DVD in the US this past Tuesday.
The problem is, instead of using the NTSC master, they used the PAL master and converted it to NTSC using the same method they use for all the other Doctor Who releases.
This means that the pitch and running time of the PAL version are preserved. This is fine for any other Doctor Who, all of which is shot in PAL format.
However, the 1996 TV movie was a US/UK co-production, and was shot on film at 24fps. Because of this, the PAL version is subject to the same 4% speedup that plagues NTSC-to-PAL conversions.
So, the idea is to convert the TV movie into proper NTSC format, with the accompanying 4% slowdown, bringing it back to its original speed.
Now, my problem is this - can this be done at good quality using the NTSC disc, which has the weird pulldown-from-PAL-or-whatever-it-is applied, or would it be smarter to get the PAL DVD, and work from that?
If that's the case, I need a DVD-9 of the Region 2 "Movie" DVD, preferably from the Revisitations 1 box set (as that's the version that was released in R1). I can only find highly-compressed DVD-5's of this online.
But if it can be done at good quality with the NTSC DVD, how would I go about doing that?
Aren't Galactic Basic and Aurebesh the same thing (Aurebesh being the alphabet, Galactic Basic being the "language," which is English)?
Either way, that's awesome! Is it gibberish, or did you give him lines?
Now I feel like an asshole. I spent a little while working on this over the past few days. I don't mean to steal your thunder, but I figure this is the best place to post it, so here it is.
It's not up yet, I wanted to gauge everyone's reaction from the thumbnails before I post the full version. The only difference between the two is the first says "NTSC" on the back (for Harmy's NTSC DVD-5), and the other says "PAL"( for his PAL DVD-5 and DVD-9).
Feedback greatly appreciated.
NTSC:
PAL:
I suppose you're right, but that doesn't mean you need to post them for everyone to see. What's the point of sending a PM in the first place if you're just going to post it on the public forum anyway?
What's irritating me the most about this thread is that it's pointless outside of the "HEY LOOK AT ME! I POSTED SOMETHING!" aspect.