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The Dark Empire said:

SilverWook said:

Luke did something we’ve never seen any other Jedi do before. He projected a solid version of himself across unimaginable distances and could interact with Leia and even Threepio. That had to come with a price. In the end, Luke saved the day one last time and went out a hero.

Maybe we had never seen this before because it makes alot of things obsolete.
If the jedi (and throught the time there were a lot of jedi more powerful than Luke) could project a solid self to anywhere in the galaxy they could enter enemy ships ore bases and sabotage it or so. Many things in the war would be handled differently.

Did you miss the part where doing this killed him?

Not trying to be snarky either really, because I actually did miss that on my first viewing. Or at least hadn’t fully wrapped my head around it yet.

Tantive3+1 said:

Something I’ve never heard anyone talk about is, how are they going to carry-on with IX when Carrie Fisher played a major role in TLJ?

It’s been talked about a lot, but mostly in regards to the fact that there were at least two surprisingly appropriate places to kill of Leia in TLJ and they didn’t take the opportunity to do so, even when they had plenty of time for reshoots after her death.

Personally, I’d have killed her off in the bridge explosion, reshot the rest of her scenes with Holdo, reshot the kamikaze run with Ackbar, and changed the ending so Luke doesn’t die (someone suggested he opens his eyes on Ahch-to after the “duel,” then lifts his X-wing out of the water and flies off-world to end the movie).

But that’s a lot to change due to one actor’s death, especially when she’d already filmed all her scenes, so you’re compromising the movie to do the next movie a favor rather than to make this movie better. So I get why they didn’t do any of that.

But at the very least I think they should’ve experimented with reshooting Luke’s ending so he survives after her death. Not that I’m not pumped for the possibility of Force spirit Luke haunting Kylo, mind you.

JawsTDS said:

Two out of three of the Sequel Trilogy films (thus far) have ended with the Force Theme. Out of all the issues with the Sequel Trilogy, this is one that really irks me. It made sense in the context of both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi, but you’d think Williams wouldn’t be so repetitive.

And there is no doubt in my mind it will be the same case for Episode IX.

And the opening title music sounds anemic as hell in both, and in TLJ it ends with the same pre-tilt-down music cue as ANH, which IIRC is the only film in the franchise to date to reuse a crawl-to-tilt-down segue cue.

NFBisms said:

That being said, TLJ isn’t really as gray or cynical as people are making it out to be. I don’t think it was saying the Jedi are evil.

I think it’s still a very traditional good vs evil story, it just places less faith in ideals alone and gives less credit to principles making a hero. It embraces the human condition and makes that which is in all of us - our ability to fail and move on - good enough to be heroes. In some ways, that’s more optimistic than saying we have to work super hard just to be good people. It’s not saying that the Jedi were super bad just because they were flawed, just that they don’t have a patent on being able to save the galaxy.

Sometimes trying too hard to be the hero can backfire, like with Poe, Finn, and Rose - and in the case of Luke, who held himself to such high expectations of heroism that he exiled himself after failure (which, thinking the galaxy is better off without you is still kind of an extension of some bullshit hero complex).

You don’t have to try to be the hero - as long as you do good, there’s one in there - and your failures, flaws, and screw ups won’t take that away as long as you get back up.

Holy shit, this has all been swimming around in my head somewhere all week but I wasn’t able to put any of it into words. Thank you for this.

(A couple of pages back, I know, but I had to respond to it.)

Jedi Master Skywalker said:

Just release all films sepperatly on each of their 40th anniversary

A little late for that…

Does it bother anyone else that they kept calling him a “code breaker” and never once used the word “slicer?”

chyron8472 said:

yhwx said:

Warbler said:

Ok, if I am understanding things correctly, someone described a character in TLJ by using the r-word. It of course pissed off Frink and he responded using the f-word and other things and got temp banned for it. Did the person using the r-word get banned or disciplined at all?

No, and that’s what I think is the real injustice.

They only said it once. And they did get warned that it’s not acceptable. Frink, meanwhile, didn’t just blow up about that, but he kept berating and harassing Jedi Master Skywalker about probably-being-JMOW instead of just reporting him and letting the mods sort it out. (by the way, JMSW is not JMOW, so say the mods.)

Frink has had more than one incident, and over an extended period of time. Just that one use of r-word is not, I think, ban-worthy.

SO SAY THE MODS.

(Damn it, I’ve been watching too much BSG…)

It’s post-PT, but I always have to give Matthew Stover’s Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor a strong recommendation. Fantastic book set shortly after ROTJ (and Truce at Bakura). There are some prequelisms (clones mainly), but damn if Stover doesn’t just get the OT characters, and for such a fun book it gets surprisingly dark at times.

Really hope Stover eventually writes a canon book.

Been working on this off and on for a few weeks, and I think it’s ready to share finally!

Here’s a complete set of simple Blu-Ray cases that should fit any version of the films. Minimalist backs - no features listings, taglines, or synopses. Running times for the OT are based on Despecialized (and the logo blocks include Harmy’s logo, so they’re obviously meant for Despecialized, but nothing else specifically states as such).

These are heavily inspired by phildesfr’s awesome covers, and even use some assets he graciously provided in his MEGA links, including his textless variation of the theatrical TFA poster and some of his logos. I did heavily customize his AOTC logo, and the ESB logo I used is literally the one on the poster itself since it ended up landing in the right spot.

As for other stuff, the TFA logo I used is based on Owain Wilson’s, the TLJ logo I used is lifted from one of Jim Titus’ designs, and the alternate TFA poster is by Grzegorz “Gabz” Domaradzki.

So here they are - I may have to edit this later because I’m just uploading the full-size versions to imgur and they might clutter things up (and imgur might fuck with some resizing, I dunno), and I’ve gotta get off to work right now. In case that happens, here’s album links:

“Theatrical logo” spines
"Saga logo" spines

Covers themselves, “theatrical logos” first:

The “saga logo” ones are the same except for the spines, so I’m going to just leave the album link up for that, but here’s the alternate version of ANH with the “saga” logo and ANH on the front logo:

Hope you like them, and if I’m stepping on anyone’s toes with these (especially phildesfr, since they’re basically modified versions of his covers), please let me know and I’ll take them down.

towne32 said:

chyron8472 said:

I suppose where I’m at with it is this: People saying things need to be mature and sensitive of others; and people hearing things need to be mature and not overreact.

The arguments people make about offensive conversation seem to gravitate toward one side or the other, when I think both are exactly equally important. On the one side people accuse the offended as “snowflakes”, and on the other side people accuse the offensive as racist, whatever-negative-stereotype.

I think the important thing is to be mature about things, whether speaking or listening in equal measure. And that doesn’t mean people have to watch everything they say, but that they can also diffuse a tense moment quickly and easily when it happens by being civil and mature.

A: "[unknowningly offensive word]"
B: "Please don’t use that word. It’s offensive to me."
A: “Oh. Okay, I’m sorry.”

I’m guilty of over-reacting here as well. And, for me at least, it’s because for a long time, it was nearly impossible to get the moderation to do anything unless a post was really over the top vile (like the guy who posted 100 anime dicks). So things naturally escalated, and we would all just basically act like bigger and bigger (anime) dicks toward each other. Walking away was probably the right thing to do. But with little moderation in place, walking away might have felt more like just handing over the thread to people who are in the wrong. Frink may have felt that way at times, and I certainly think people have thought it when they’ve stood up to Frink at times when he hijacked threads.

We have moderation now. And Jason seems to be quite responsive. We should be able to deal with inflammatory posters in a reasonable way like many other forums do, now. Maybe I’m wrong, and Frink’s behavior doesn’t stem from this. I just think that a lot of the tension and escalation that happens here is due to it, previously, being a bit ‘wild west’ and people defending themselves instead of being able to rely on moderation.

Yeah, this seems like a pretty accurate summation to me.

yhwx said:

…inconsistent application of the rules.

Welcome to OT.com, we hope you enjoy your stay.

That thread is cancer.

towne32 said:

Editdroid, for a nasty quote, allegedly from his friend.

I almost reported that one, too. Don’t really remember why I didn’t.

Gray area, I think, but if you have no method of ripping the disc yourself and can prove that you do actually own it, I’d allow it if I were a mod*.

*I am not a mod and I’d totally understand if I’m wrong on this and it’s actually not allowed.

It’s basically all in the stickied spoiler thread.

Don’t go in there. Trust me. Even if you’ve seen the movie.

It’s not, see my above post.

And I was wondering that myself.

Jay said:

It’s a temporary ban. I think Frink needs to learn how to express his displeasure with others’ posts without flipping out every time.

Not permanent.

TV’s Frink said:

Been nice knowing you guys.

And that smells like a perma-ban…

🙁

Frink? Whoa…

Love Doctor Aphra and Lando, they’re definitely the best canon comics right now. I enjoyed the Darth Maul miniseries too.

Lando is especially good, surprisingly enough.

Oh man, no way is the Clone Wars TV series worse than the prequels. Certain arcs and the 2008 movie, sure, but on the whole it was way better than the prequels themselves. The Umbara and final Mandalore arc are both up there with the OT in my mind.

One fear I have about the backlash against TLJ is that Lucasfilm might pull a WB/DC move and make overly reactionary decisions to “fix” things for IX and beyond instead of building on what worked. That was the major problem with both Suicide Squad and Justice League - instead of letting them both run their course and tweaking things from there on out, they made massive changes to both of them throughout production to respond to the criticisms of MoS, BvS, and SS (in the case of JL), resulting in the messy tonal whiplash of SS and the Frankenstein’s mosnter that was JL. I don’t want either of those things to happen with IX.

And before anyone claims that’s what happened with TLJ, it isn’t. TLJ was written and in (pre?) production before TFA even came out. If it was reactionary toward TFA, that was due to Johnson’s response to Abrams’ and Kasdan’s choices in VII, not the audience’s.

The Ritty said:

Do I not have the right to make my own versions lol? Like c’mon…

Legally, no, not really, but as long as you own the official versions that you’re using as a source to make your own versions, then it’s 100% permitted on this forum.

I shouldn’t have to pay for it period.

If you want to make an edit and post about it here, you better have paid for the version you’re using to create your edit. You can’t work on a TLJ edit and talk about it here until you’ve bought the official DVD or Blu-Ray release, which is months away. (And if you bought the standard definition DVD and not the Blu-Ray, making it in high definition from a pirated HD copy is also against forum rules, for the record.)

Go to the DVD/BR cover artwork section of the forum. Main page, below the preservation and fan edit sections.

The “Official Review and Opinions Thread.”