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#1122377
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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yhwx said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

It’s hard to feel like Trump is the worst human on Earth when there is so much competition these days.

Here’s more!

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/26/560149316/10-year-old-girl-is-detained-by-ice-officers-after-emergency-surgery

Rosa Maria Hernandez was brought to the United States illegally from Mexico in 2007 when she was 3 months old, according to her mother, Felipa de la Cruz, to get access to better medical care. The family lives in Laredo, Texas, and all are undocumented.

The girl was traveling in an ambulance — accompanied by her cousin — to Driscoll Children’s Hospital in Corpus Christi on Tuesday when federal immigration officers stopped the vehicle at a checkpoint.

The Border Patrol agents followed the ambulance to the hospital. According to the family’s lawyer, Leticia Gonzalez, the agents insisted the door to her hospital room be left open at all times to keep an eye on her.

On Wednesday, the hospital discharged Rosa Maria. The lawyer, reading the discharge papers on a conference call with reporters, said doctors recommended the child be released to “a family member who is familiar with her medical and psychological needs.”

But officers decided to transport the girl to a government-contracted juvenile shelter in San Antonio, 150 miles from Laredo, and put her into deportation proceedings.

Here’s the dangerous criminal that our country is now protected from.

Guys, armadillos crossing the border is a serious problem.

Armadillos carry leprosy. They are a way more serious problem than that one time when someone’s racist grandpa had a dream where there’d been a net flow of illegal immigrants into our country sometime in recent memory.

SilverWook said:

Gorka is like a fifth rate villain in a third rate 007 knockoff.

Back to this again are we?

Goldshower
He’s the man, the man with the moistened touch
A Russian touch
Such a short finger
Beckons you to enter his web of sin
But don’t go in
Incoherent words he will tweet to the world
But his lies can’t disguise what you fear
For a golden girl knows when he’s grabbed her (by the…)
It’s the grab of death from
Mister Goldshower

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#1122289
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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It’s hard to feel like Trump is the worst human on Earth when there is so much competition these days. Enter Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona, who recently floated the idea that the modern neo-Nazi movement in the US is being funded and coordinated by a liberal Holocaust survivor. After being roundly criticized by everyone with a sense of shame, including all seven of his siblings, CNN decided to give him a chance to pretend his first remark on the matter was just a big misunderstanding. Given this chance, Rep. Gosar decided to make it clear he’s exactly as full of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories as he seems.

Please tell me Arizona voters are surprised they’re represented by an anti-Semitic conspiracy theorist and will kick this asshole to the curb at the next possible opportunity. Or will he get primaried for not presenting the Charlottesville Nazis in a positive enough light?

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#1122258
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

CatBus said:

Good speech. This week may convince some people that as Republicans in Congress went to unprecedented lengths to grant Trump as much power to achieve his aims as possible, Jeff Flake, John McCain, and Bob Corker simply would not go along with it. I suspect it won’t convince Merrick Garland, though.

convince Merrick Garland of what?

Convince him Jeff Flake, John McCain, and Bob Corker didn’t go to unprecendented lengths to grant Trump as much power to achieve his aims as possible. Considering they went to extraordinary lengths to throw him an extra Supreme Court nomination, in addition to the ones he’d normally get by being President. You know, John “we can get by just fine with eight justices for the rest of the Obama presidency and the entire hypothetical Clinton presidency but jeeze now that Trump’s nominating let’s hurry this process right up” McCain and his opposing-Trump-with-the-awesome-power-of-press-releases pals.

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#1122113
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Good speech. This week may convince some people that as Republicans in Congress went to unprecedented lengths to grant Trump as much power to achieve his aims as possible, Jeff Flake, John McCain, and Bob Corker simply would not go along with it. I suspect it won’t convince Merrick Garland, though.

It’s just as well they’re retiring, so they don’t have as much of an opportunity to fail to live up to their words.

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#1121742
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

In completely coincidental news, the reward for information leading to the impeachment and removal of Trump has been increased to $10,025,000.

😃

darn information that would lead to Trumps impeachment and get me $10,025.000. I wish I had that info.

The trick is we all have that info. It’s public knowledge. The problem with Flynt’s gambit is that it’s seeking the wrong thing. Documentation of impeachable offenses? I think I could probably rattle off seven thoroughly documented offenses without breaking a sweat. What’s missing is the backbone to act on the evidence we already have. I suppose Flynt is maybe thinking maybe there’s something so outrageously illegal the Republicans would have to act. He probably thinks Trump’s claim that he could shoot a guy on Fifth Avenue was exaggeration too.

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#1121437
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

With regards to the Pope, it seems to me that liberals are often derided for being too deferential to Muslim beliefs. But disrespect the Pope and you’re a heathen!

I think liberals tend to differentiate between criticizing people and criticizing beliefs. i.e. they can criticize the Pope as much as they want and they don’t see it as anti-Catholic at all. Criticize Catholic beliefs in a more general sense and that’s anti-Catholic and they try to avoid it. But that ignores beliefs such as Papal infallibility which join the two together. So you either are criticizing beliefs to some degree, or you never bothered to learn much about the beliefs you’re trying to avoid criticizing. With regard to religions with widely decentralized heirarchies, it’s easier to make that liberal distinction. You can criticize Islamic leaders as much as you want because they aren’t ever much more than local clerics anyway–so you often don’t bother to criticize them because who cares and nobody knows who they are anyway.

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#1120741
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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moviefreakedmind said:

CatBus said:

Warbler said:

To some the Confederate flag is about heritage, not hate. Not saying they are right, but that is how some feel.

The heritage canard gets thrown around for more than just the Confederate flag.

Asked about the pin he was wearing during the interview, Fears said “it’s basically just like an SS thing.” Explaining the significance of the pin would require an extensive conversation about World War II, he said. “And it’s my heritage, I’m German.”

Yup, just heritage. Nothing to see here. The fact that they single out the most racist possible symbols of that heritage is just a coincidence I’m sure. The Nascar folks were evenly split between the Confederate flag and William Faulkner to represent Southern heritage, and just randomly picked the flag with a coin toss, I’m sure.

I see your point, but the Confederacy and Nazi Germany are a false equivalence.

There’s a difference between false equivalence and an imperfect analogy – otherwise you could say false equivalence for any analogy. If someone said a bird was as blue as the sky, you couldn’t really say “false equivalence, the sky is airy and the bird is all feathery”. You have to consider the quality for which they’re being compared – the blueness. As far as foundations firmly rooted in brutally racist ideologies, Nazis and Confederates are pretty close. But there were differences: the Confederacy was more focused on forced labor camps than extermination, the Confederacy was much more limited in the scale of its military ambitions to only attacking the United States, and Germany was a legitimate nation, to name a few.

Probably the closest modern analogue for the Confederacy I can think of is ISIS. A group of fanatics with delusions of statehood, trying to enforce a brutal medieval philosophy already abandoned by the rest of the world on the population unfortunate enough to live under their control, with surprisingly capable military commanders for an otherwise backward operation, but ultimately doomed to lose the fight they started. And even then there’s a few differences.

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#1120699
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Warbler said:

To some the Confederate flag is about heritage, not hate. Not saying they are right, but that is how some feel.

The heritage canard gets thrown around for more than just the Confederate flag.

Asked about the pin he was wearing during the interview, Fears said “it’s basically just like an SS thing.” Explaining the significance of the pin would require an extensive conversation about World War II, he said. “And it’s my heritage, I’m German.”

Yup, just heritage. Nothing to see here. The fact that they single out the most racist possible symbols of that heritage is just a coincidence I’m sure. The Nascar folks were evenly split between the Confederate flag and William Faulkner to represent Southern heritage, and just randomly picked the flag with a coin toss, I’m sure.

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#1120518
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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yhwx said:

Holy shit NRA.

https://twitter.com/NRATV/status/921390510576562176

“We are witnesses to the most ruthless attack on a president & the people who voted for him…in American history." -@DLoesch #NRA

https://www.nratv.com/series/freedoms-safest-place/episode/freedoms-safest-place-season-2-episode-5-the-ultimate-insult

Hm. Worse than what they did to Lincoln and the part of America that stood by him. I did not know that.

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#1120468
Topic
Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Harmy didn’t really say:

The current Despecialized Edition, that’s the one I wanted out there. The other versions, they’re on the torrents, if anybody wants them. To me, they don’t really exist anymore. It’s like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I’m sorry you saw half a completed restoration and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.

But I bet he’s thought it 😉

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#1120461
Topic
Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Pretty common scenario: Sports confederate flag, goes on tirade against various perceived traitors against the USA, sees no irony. History weeps.

And I’ve said this before but it bears repeating: When Sinclair Lewis said fascism would come to America wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross, I always assumed he meant the American flag and an unlit cross. Silly me, I know better now.

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#1120228
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

Moving over to this thread just in case.

Warbler said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Warbler said:

Seriously, I am growing very concerned about the improvements in computers and computer intelligence. It is not out of the realm of possibility that computers will able to replace every human at every job. Imagine what it will do to the economy if humans are no long employable? What if computers do take over. I’m serious.

Universal basic income. It’s going to happen. It should happen way sooner than it’s going to though, and it’s going to carry a sigma similar to welfare for far too long after it’s implemented, too.

communism?

No, not at all. And frankly, this kind of misunderstanding frustrates me because it happens too often. Not every social program is Communism—universal healthcare isn’t Communism, free college isn’t Communism, universal basic income isn’t Communism. They may or may not be good ideas, but I wish people would argue about that rather than throwing out “sounds like Communism to me!” However, I trust that you were genuinely asking, and not just throwing the word out as a “gotcha,” so I’m going to respond.

Universal basic income, if it were implemented, would serve only as a safety net. It would be a way for the Government to say “here is a bit of money so that you can meet the basic standards of living; you’ll have food and water, and you’ll have shelter, now go do with your life what you will.” This is in no way the complete abolition of private property that Communism is. Private property still exists, and capitalism is still very much in place.

Not only that, but universal basic income hails from a different era in political science. Nowadays, people create policies that sound good to them, they implement them, and then more likely than not they declare the program a success even though they haven’t defined any metrics for success. If pressed, they will create a metric that’s designed to make the program look like a success, or they will just make some numbers up and change the subject. That’s the method that gives us things like dynamic scoring.

Universal basic income was a social science research baby. Academics did experiments on control groups, observed the results, and found that it worked – often to the shock of the nonplussed researchers, I should add. These results were confirmed and filtered up through academic circles until it reached policymakers. The policymakers decided that since it’s a thing proven to work, they should implement it. And they tried. The Nixon administration, that is. Not UBI per se but negative tax rates, which are effectively the same thing but economists prefer them because they’re a little more efficient.

Either way, if you look at UBI and scratch your head wondering how can this possibly work (I’m pretty liberal but I’m pretty much in that position), you’re in the same position as the researchers decades ago who proved the policy works.

Sometimes, despite your best efforts to make sense of the world, you end up with quantum mechanics.

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#1119343
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Puggo - Jar Jar’s Yoda said:

It still stuns me that people would vote for such a total creep.

That still stuns me. There are tons of shady people running for office every day, but Trump is the only one I can think of who presented his awfulness in plain view as the reasons for people to vote for him, and won.

And back to the “Warning Signs” discussion, they’re just that–warning signs. Clearly the executive branch has some fascists in it, but that’s not the whole government. It’s not even the whole executive branch. Nevertheless, the acceptable amount of fascists in government is zero.

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#1119196
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Politics 2: Electric Boogaloo
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Jeebus said:

CatBus said:

Straight from the Holocaust museum. Trump checks off just a few more (14) of these warning signs than Bush (8) and Obama (3). Sure, I wish they all scored zero too.

Just out of curiosity, which ones do you see Bush and Obama checking off?

For the things they both qualified for, I could see some people making a case for supremacy of the military, but I didn’t. They both got obsession with national security, corporate power protected, and obsession with crime and punishment (e.g. Obama’s deportation spree, which only looks tame in contrast with Trump’s). I could also see labor power suppressed, but I’d say in Obama’s case it was neglect rather than suppression. If you were a big labor advocate or pacifist/non-interventionist, I could see how you could score Obama higher. As I write this I’m sensing you probably meant an itemized list for each rather than the overlap. Dangit I can’t see the list and post at the same time.

Over what Obama got, Bush got supremacy of the military, powerful and continuing nationalism (Freedom Fries were stupid but they worked), disdain for human rights, identification of enemies as a unifying cause, and religion and government intertwined. Again, Bush could also have been easily seen as anti-labor, but considering the labor movement in the US has been dead for decades, it’s hard to rate people in terms of the severity of their opposition to a hypothetical, so I gave them both a pass. But Trump gets it because he’s actually going through the trouble of reversing Obama’s fairly tame and neutral labor policies – but you could also put that down to his anti-Obama fixation and not anti-labor anything. I probably would have handed Bush cronyism and corruption at the time, but Trump has shown what “rampant” really means. And while the 2000 election was certainly a judicial coup in my mind, there’s a difference between that and fraud being pushed by Kobach’s voter suppression panel in terms of either imaginary conspiracy theories serving as justification for their actions, or very tangible policy proposals that would without question put a muzzle on free and fair elections.