Also, I understand this isn’t at the top of everyone’s list, but are there any new subtitle/dubbing languages available? Can someone post a complete list?
IMO, the OOT has been out of circulation for all but the most devoted fans for over twenty years now. On the home video front, it’s skipped three generations of video tech, not including streaming services, where it’s also unavailable. Even old-time fans, unless they’re holding onto a VCR or a Laserdisc player, probably don’t watch it anymore – it’s only an even smaller subset that have ever viewed our preservations (I suppose there’s also the GOUT, but I don’t think that abomination set the world on fire either). And it’s not just missing, it’s been substituted with another product that some certainly think is close enough – so there’s often little sense of a gap that needs to be filled. If it ever did come back, it would be a niche product. Its clear superiority does not guarantee it will overcome decades of sentimental attachment to the only version of the films most of a generation has ever known.
For this reason, I disagree it would be like printing money for Disney. A proper restoration costs a lot, and they’d be getting stiff market competition from their own products. Furthermore, Lucas still expresses a strong desire that the OOT be suppressed, he’s widely regarded as the creator of the OOT, and studios tend to defer to the creator’s wishes for already-successful properties, even if they’re stupid wishes, and when they’re under no contractual obligation to do so. Lucas not being at the helm doesn’t mean he has no influence on the question of the OOT.
So basically IMO we’re waiting for copyright expiration and a public domain release when it comes to the OOT. A couple screenshots in a book is not a sign of the wall crumbling.
I agree. I think the best we can probably hope for, is a far superior SE release in 4K HDR, that can serve as a basis for future fan preservations.
I’d be happy with a far superior SE release in 1080p, but I’d accept that 4K HDR gravy 😉 I believe that’s where the whole Reliance business will end up at, and that’s as optimistic as I get on this front.
To be clear, I didn’t have any advance notice of this. It just worked out this way two days later.
IMO, the OOT has been out of circulation for all but the most devoted fans for over twenty years now. On the home video front, it’s skipped three generations of video tech, not including streaming services, where it’s also unavailable. Even old-time fans, unless they’re holding onto a VCR or a Laserdisc player, probably don’t watch it anymore – it’s only an even smaller subset that have ever viewed our preservations (I suppose there’s also the GOUT, but I don’t think that abomination set the world on fire either). And it’s not just missing, it’s been substituted with another product that some certainly think is close enough – so there’s often little sense of a gap that needs to be filled. If it ever did come back, it would be a niche product. Its clear superiority does not guarantee it will overcome decades of sentimental attachment to the only version of the films most of a generation has ever known.
For this reason, I disagree it would be like printing money for Disney. A proper restoration costs a lot, and they’d be getting stiff market competition from their own products. Furthermore, Lucas still expresses a strong desire that the OOT be suppressed, he’s widely regarded as the creator of the OOT, and studios tend to defer to the creator’s wishes for already-successful properties, even if they’re stupid wishes, and when they’re under no contractual obligation to do so. Lucas not being at the helm doesn’t mean he has no influence on the question of the OOT.
So basically IMO we’re waiting for copyright expiration and a public domain release when it comes to the OOT. A couple screenshots in a book is not a sign of the wall crumbling.
I agree. I think the best we can probably hope for, is a far superior SE release in 4K HDR, that can serve as a basis for future fan preservations.
I’d be happy with a far superior SE release in 1080p, but I’d accept that 4K HDR gravy 😉 I believe that’s where the whole Reliance business will end up at, and that’s as optimistic as I get on this front.
IMO, the OOT has been out of circulation for all but the most devoted fans for over twenty years now. On the home video front, it’s skipped three generations of video tech, not including streaming services, where it’s also unavailable. Even old-time fans, unless they’re holding onto a VCR or a Laserdisc player, probably don’t watch it anymore – it’s only an even smaller subset that have ever viewed our preservations (I suppose there’s also the GOUT, but I don’t think that abomination set the world on fire either). And it’s not just missing, it’s been substituted with another product that some certainly think is close enough – so there’s often little sense of a gap that needs to be filled. If it ever did come back, it would be a niche product. Its clear superiority does not guarantee it will overcome decades of sentimental attachment to the only version of the films most of a generation has ever known.
For this reason, I disagree it would be like printing money for Disney. A proper restoration costs a lot, and they’d be getting stiff market competition from their own products. Furthermore, Lucas still expresses a strong desire that the OOT be suppressed, he’s widely regarded as the creator of the OOT, and studios tend to defer to the creator’s wishes for already-successful properties, even if they’re stupid wishes, and when they’re under no contractual obligation to do so. Lucas not being at the helm doesn’t mean he has no influence on the question of the OOT.
So basically IMO we’re waiting for copyright expiration and a public domain release when it comes to the OOT. A couple screenshots in a book is not a sign of the wall crumbling.
But there is most definitely a difference between film preservation, and film restoration, and being able to buy a blu-ray on Amazon. What we’re upset about is a consumerist concern, not a preservationist one.
No, we’re upset about both.
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TheHutt, yes, there are some extensions to SRT that allow lots of interesting options, specifying fonts and so on, but only if the player supports it. But part of the reason I chose SRT way back when as opposed to ASS or some other subtitling format with very unambiguous support for formatting was because early on I wanted to separate content and formatting – like with HTML and CSS. SRT was the HTML, and the Perl (now Python) scripts were the CSS. And, as the first few pages of this thread will attest, I truly had no idea anyone would actually want to use the SRT files when SUP files were also available. If I thought people would use the text subtitles, I may have gone down a different road from the beginning, and there wouldn’t be SRT files to begin with. But probably not 😉
Wow that looks amazing. How does one get a copy? Asking for a friend. Lol. I know I may have asked before but I’m not really tech savoy as most folks.
Subs from the Navajo DVD:
Subs reconstructed using DeEd, Project Threepio and a little Photoshop:
Navajo text with 1977 theatrical styling – what’s not to like about that?
Well, that’s just a mock-up. I have the subtitles (and the subtitles alone), and I Photoshopped them over a still image from the film. Working them into real video is a wee bit more work, and that’s what Rikter is proposing. As long as he can get the subtitle-free video (which exists – Harmy made the version that Krieg der Sterne is based on), then the video is doable. But I believe he also wants to render a Navajo crawl as well. So getting a copy of the video is still quite some time and quite some work away.
Subs from the Navajo DVD:
Subs reconstructed using DeEd, Project Threepio and a little Photoshop:
Navajo text with 1977 theatrical styling – what’s not to like about that?
Lots of people have made smaller re-encoded torrents for just this reason. The quality is variable, though – maintaining the best possible quality is why these files are so big.
If you’re interested in trying to do the Navajo Greedo subs in the 77 theatrical style, I can try to help. I did a custom font that closely matches the 77 style, but I don’t think it’d have all the needed diacritics, so some Photoshop work may be required after the root characters are done.
atsʼáhoníyééʼ nił hólǫ́ǫ doo.
I gotta ask… what’s this mean?
- Yes, please but I need to sort out my plans and figure out whom to contact. I’ve been off the forum for so long I’m still playing catch up. Once I finalize the plan I will create a thread and contact you. THANKS!
Sure. The only thing I need to know is what resolution you’re aiming for (720p, 1080p, 2160p). I’ll create full-frame transparent subtitle overlays that position the subtitles just right for a DeEd-sourced preservation.
- atsʼáhoníyééʼ nił hólǫ́ǫ doo = May the Force be with you
This leads me to two other questions…
Do you write “May the Force Be With You” differently if you’re addressing multiple people (i.e. “you” is plural)?
Do you know, or know someone else who knows, enough Navajo to create full-film subtitles using the already-done translation from the dub? Or even enough to fanedit the other two films? Because it sounds like you really want to do a lot of thankless work, and I want to convince you to instead do an extraordinary amount of thankless work 😉
If you’re interested in trying to do the Navajo Greedo subs in the 77 theatrical style, I can try to help. I did a custom font that closely matches the 77 style, but I don’t think it’d have all the needed diacritics, so some Photoshop work may be required after the root characters are done.
atsʼáhoníyééʼ nił hólǫ́ǫ doo.
I gotta ask… what’s this mean?
For the custom crawl, you may want to talk to the Krieg der Sterne Team (or at least Laserschwert). They may have some scripts or templates you can use to re-create the crawl without having to re-invent the wheel. That way you could also create a 1977-style Navajo crawl instead of an SE-style Navajo crawl, which would be more appropriate for a Despecialized version anyway, although not the same as the DVD version.
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Not I, sorry.
To clarify, the subtitles do include crawl subs and Greedo subs, but the DVDs include a rendered Navajo crawl which is pretty neat – the subtitles are pretty utilitarian.
I swear most of the 4K discs I buy are just because the Blu is effed up in some manner, not because I’d really appreciate the spec upgrade. Oh well. IMO Jackson will double down and the Shire will look sickly and dreary in the 4K theatrical cuts and other films too. You know, for consistency.
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PM sent. There’s more than one Japanese dub for Star Wars. The home video one is (I think) a little better and it’s trilogy-complete. The theatrical one doesn’t have a dub for Jedi.
DeEd has the necessary Navajo subs to accompany the dub, and you can download the subs separately in Project Threepio (Navajo’s not listed as a supported language because we don’t have complete-movie Navajo subs for the whole trilogy, but we do have the portion that accompanies the dub)
I think Poita’s prints have that beat all the way to hell and back. It just takes time to turn the prints into ones and zeroes, and so we wait.
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Actually Harmy hasn’t ever released anything on MySpleen (he typically uses uloz, which is like MySpleen except way more inconvenient!), but other people put it there anyway.
Looks like SW DeEd 2.5’s checksums are here:
File Name: Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.5.mkv
CRC32: 42A67CC6
MD5: E52CC005E48931EF3DF336361DD1A142
SHA-1: 6CA73976E347CD6791DC31B4FCC758F0E5AD265E
SHA-256: 31C4BA98D4A14A71B6DA13830F1C3C508CBF93C89A348D382F76070A23588D6B
And 2.7 is here:
File Name: Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.7.mkv
CRC-32: 86C303FB
MD5: 5D26CD805E0E6AAAA3E031A9712E5E2B
SHA-1: F7DAF6EB6292F867D18DBFB1C55C19A13450C696
You didn’t say which version you had, but I’d recommend 2.7.
This tool lets you verify file checksums on Windows (haven’t used it personally):
https://download.cnet.com/MD5-SHA-Checksum-Utility/3000-2092_4-10911445.html
Well, you’d need to know what you were comparing against first. Typically there’s an MD5 or an SHA-1 checksum of the download either in the first post, or you can ask about it in the thread. Then, depending on what type of checksum it is, you’d download some appropriate tool and it would tell you the checksum of the file you downloaded. If it’s a match, the file is correct.