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#546800
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Help Wanted: Looking for people who speak German, French, Spanish, or Brazilian Portuguese
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UPDATE: I now need help only for Portuguese.  German, French and Spanish are taken care of.

I am currently working on a GOUT-timed OT subtitle package for all of the above languages, and right now I have SRT (text+timing) files for all of the above languages for all three films, using misc Internet sources (which almost certainly have some problems).

I’m looking for people to read, correct, and mail back these text files. You don’t need anything more complicated than Notepad, although an SRT editor may be handy because it would allow you to play back the corresponding English audio. You don’t need to worry about the timing; only the text needs verification. There are some limitations regarding length of text that may make some lines difficult.

If you’re interested, PM me with your language(s) and e-mail address. I’m only really interested in working with one person per language. Also, I only plan to give credit in my project post–the subtitles themselves will be clean of credits. So, lots of work, not much glory, but not much technical skill required either.

I am hoping to release these subtitles as a single collection sometime soon. Thanks in advance.  Below are instructions for anyone helping with this project.  The SRT files themselves will be mailed to individuals.

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GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS

I like to use Gaupol to edit my subtitles; you’re welcome to use different software if you prefer.  Open the subtitles in your language, then “open translation” to open the English subtitles (or vice-versa) so you can see them side-by-side.

The subtitle timing is already good, so don’t make any changes there.  The text is where work needs to be done.  There may be bad translations, typos, bad grammar, missing subtitles, all sorts of problems.  I’m also hoping to improve some subtle things, like consistency between movies (e.g. if a certain word is translated two different ways in two different movies, make them more consistent).  I may have chosen bad places to break lines—feel free to fix that as long as it doesn’t impact timing.  Please translate things that don’t necessarily even need translating (i.e. “No” in the Spanish subtitles)—this text can still help the hearing impaired.  These subtitles are designed to accompany the English audio and video, so these subtitles also include the complete crawl text and alien language subtitles.

The limitations are: no more than two lines of text per subtitle, keep all lines shorter than 34 in length (Gaupol tells you the length), and try to keep consistent with the existing style.  For example, subtitles for partially intelligible alien languages (ROTJ) use a particular format I’d like to keep consistent.

Once you’re happy with what you have, mail them back to me.  I’m trying to time this release with Harmy’s and DarkJedi’s next releases, but I may not succeed there.

The French translation seems good but minimalist.  It could probably use more detailed translations in a number of places.  Many of the translations are missing character names (i.e. “Luke, help me” is trimmed to “Help me”).  To better match timing, and for the hearing impaired, I would like character names included.

The German translation seems very good to me, and may not need much work.

The Spanish and Portuguese translations are very uneven, and I suspect they need a lot of work, particularly in ROTJ.

There are a couple of quirks in Gaupol: to enter a linebreak into a subtitle, type Ctrl+Enter.  And be sure to hit Enter at the end, or changes are reverted.

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#546592
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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I noticed that apostrophes in the new credits (e.g. Dan O'Bannon) are "straight down" rather than "curled".  It's hard to tell from the GOUT, but I believe the originals were curled (at least they blur a lot like the commas, which are curled).  I think the "straight down" apostrophe was a computer convention created after these credits would have been done.  Then again, I could be wrong.

EDIT: The same probably applies to quote marks, which I didn't check for.

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#546336
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Actually I've been searching around for "things that need doing that don't require a great deal of technical expertise", and once I'm done with my current project, I could try my hand at a credits recreation.  I wouldn't have anything to show for a couple of years, though, I estimate, assuming I can even do it.  Interested people may want to try their own mini-projects to see if it's feasible.

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#546183
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Star Wars OT &amp; 1997 Special Edition - Various Projects Info (Released)
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DarkJedi--I've been trying to PM you but may have run into technical difficulties.

When/if they exist, I'm looking for 720p screencaps from the Blu versions of both SW and ROTJ showing the burnt-in subtitles you're using.  I'm trying to do a good font/placement match (and I really need actual screencaps).  I'd prefer to get them in advance of the actual release--I'm trying to get my project out there in advance of yours and Harmy's next releases, as I'm trying to get it to integrate well with both.  PM me for details, thanks.

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#545424
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Laserschwert said:

I guess this is the wrong hangar matte?


(Click for big version)

On the subject of mattes, wasn't the problem with negative1's 35mm film scans that they made great stills but due to subtle warpage would not make a good moving picture?

Soo... doesn't that mean we'd be able to use film scans from negative1's project to recreate missing mattes, since they're essentially stills?  Or maybe I'm missing something obvious.

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#544785
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available]
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dark_jedi said:Well before I can figure out what I am going to do, I will first need to see how h_h approaches this, if he fixes it on his end, then Harmy and I won't have to, but if not, then I will then have to decide on what approach I take.

Even if h_h makes a special PAL-timed version, I'm not sure a video-side fix wouldn't be warranted.  There are a lot of other soundtracks that would still be out of sync even if the primary one is fixed.

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#544316
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available]
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hairy_hen said:

The NTSC is missing two frames compared to the PAL at the scene change from Dagobah to the rebel fleet, so on both projects there is a noticeable loss of synch at the point: from then on the audio is two frames in advance of the video, which is more objectionable than if it were a delay.  I would have pointed this out before, but unfortunately I'd forgotten about it.  So really this should be corrected.

Ugggh.  Why do you tell us these things?  Why?

I'll definitely notice this now, even if it's just my imagination ;)

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#541307
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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For what it's worth, DarkJedi's and Harmy's projects both grace my shelf at home.  Most people are probably happy with one or the other, but there's an even narrower niche that likes having both.  There's a Venn diagram somewhere in there.

I call DarkJedi's a "preservation" and Harmy's a "reconstruction", but that's just me.

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#539876
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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hairy_hen said:By the way, I'm considering making a new version of the 70mm mix, so assuming that it turns out to be a worthwhile improvement, it would be cool to have it included on the next release.  ;) 

I'm assuming this new version would just be for Star Wars and not for the sequels, correct?  I haven't noticed a single problem with any of them but I'm just curious.

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#535673
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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NeonBible said:

I wasn't asking for a full HD version (that bit wasn't clear), but rather a re-encode to something like 480p but with all the audio options.  Just wondering thats all since my screen wouldn't really benefit from 720p and space is a concern for me.

This is definitely something you could do yourself though.  Download the DVD5 and the AVCHD, use tsMuxerGUI to demux the extra audio tracks from the AVCHD, and then mux them back into the DVD using your favorite DVD authoring software.  But it's going to take some learning on your part and I doubt you're going to get a volunteer to do it for you, since your request is so specific/unlikely to have broader appeal.

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#535666
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If GL changed his mind about releasing OUT, but with a few tweaks.....
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Mike O said:Raiders tweaked the reflection in the glass (which still drive me nuts, but moving on), what'd Blood Simple change?

Blood Simple did a number of things.  Most importantly, it RESTORED the theatrical soundtrack (due to licensing issues, the VHS had different music).  But it did still change some things to be different from the theatrical version.  In the first shot of the busy bar interior, you could originally see a sound boom hanging in from above, and a reflection of the cameras on a mirror.  Most importantly, the whole "shoes walk to the jukebox" shot got removed, and that's the one that really bugs me.

That said, my point was that this level of tweaking, while occasionally annoying, is more or less normal and I'll tolerate it. Lucas is, as far as I know, the ONLY statistical outlier, and he's way, way, outside the normal range.

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#535066
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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With the upcoming 1.2 and ESB 2.0 versions, will there be any way to verify version numbers?

I suppose one way would be to just look for the visual changes between versions, but for that you'd need some sort of changelog (not necessarily comprehensive).

This could be a problem when the 1.2 AVCHD comes out, but the 1.2 DVD5 isn't yet out.

This is another reason I'll only download from the official sites.

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#534115
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 MKV IS OUT NOW
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Ginge said:

Now with your release, I found your “Despecialized Edition” credits to come way too soon after the main credits for the film finished. Your credits come up while the music is still playing in fact. If you truly want to honor the original film to how it was played originally, this is an absolute no, no… it’s almost as bad as what Lucasfilm did the credits in 1997. 

Actually I know that while credit is certainly due, I've always been a little uncomfortable with the Despecialized Credits myself.  When other cultural artifacts are restored, there there is sometimes a plaque about the restoration, but that plaque is typically placed near the artifact, not directly attached to it.  The Despecialized Credits always seemed a little bit like graffiti to me.  I'd prefer for the credits to be placed on the disc or case art, or if they must be in the disc contents due to how it's distributed, in a text file or even an unused subtitle track.

I feel pretty uncomfortable complaining about this because I really do appreciate this and feel that credit is absolutely due, but I just wanted to add my voice since the topic has been brought up.

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#534102
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If GL changed his mind about releasing OUT, but with a few tweaks.....
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Sure, we'd love it.  It's not like we're fanatics or anything.*

But really, even if he approached this with the best possible intentions, isn't it a given that he'll screw up color timing and sound at the very least?  But even then I'd appreciate it as a much better source for proper restoration projects.

 

* Okay, that was a little tongue in cheek but I'm serious.  Minor cleanups would put him well within the boundaries of what other directors regularly do.  Sometimes I wonder why they bother and wish they wouldn't, but I don't begrudge them for it.  Raiders of the Lost Ark, Blood Simple, etc.  A certain amount of change is, even if not desirable, tolerable.