And if that doesn't work out, I can be backup for trying to sync and/or despecialize the visually impaired tracks. FWIW, I've found the '93 audio for Star Wars works best for patching over SE elements in Star Wars.
Somehow I completely missed that this Gormaanda Hybrid (v1) had been completed, and it's just what I was looking for. Thanks to everyone involved--great work all around!
It's all fun and games until it turns out to be Gilbert Gottfried.
In the 720p folder, get the files called SW-en-native.sup and ESB-en-native.sup, unless you want the SDH subtitles, in which case you get the ones with SDH in the filename. Grab the README file too if you don't know what to do with them next.
EDIT: to be clear, the "native" subtitles exclude the alien subs, which I assume is what you want. There are also "match" subtitles which are a bit of a gimmick, but if you look at the last screenshot in the first post, you'll see what that looks like. If you prefer that, then download the -match-DeEdv2 sup files instead.
doubleKO said:
...I have previously noticed advanced audio of around 50ms in plenty of other videos...
FYI, if you're noticing/fixing advanced audio by using the audio delay feature of your AVR, the value may not be correct. i.e. if your display delays video by 80ms on its own (which would not be unheard of), you may be able to add an audio delay of 50ms on your AVR to make it go away--because that brings it into the realm of an unnoticeable mismatch, not because 50ms was the amount the audio was actually advanced.
I'm not picking on you, I have no idea how you determined 50ms for yourself--it's the "plenty of other videos" part that made me think of this. But any time someone says they can hear a 10-20ms sync difference, you can bet it's because they set 10-20ms on their AVR to make it go away, not because they can actually detect a difference that small.
Stinky-Dinkins said:
So SW has the error too?
Harmy, any chance of uploading a "fixed" SW DeEd whenever you release ESB 2.5? Maybe a SW 2.6? No rush seeing as it's barely, if at all, perceptible... but it would be nice to have the most perfect versions out there in an official capacity.
If you really want to work around this in the meantime, you could mux all the audio on something like a .030 sec, which would make everything "off", but by less than the ITU minimum offsets in both directions.
That said, I think the ITU standards are crazy about this. 1 frame is unnoticeable.
The one-frame difference is already known (discussed on the last page), apparently an error of some sort.
EDIT: Whoops, this is Star Wars we're talking about, so the error hasn't been acknowledged before. I don't know which one has the error, but they should match.
You both have to pay to clean Harmy's pants now.
Isn't trimming the frame off the video in the next iteration a valid solution? The mismatch is already out there in 2.0 and the video will be redone for 2.1 anyway.
AntcuFaalb said:
I'm sorry if this has been asked before. Are there any plans to create a "Zion Hybrid"-esque edition using the recent 1st gen VHS preservation? Thanks.
Seconded. Just can't live without the Star Wars disco music on the menu.
IMO headphones make it much easier to do critical listening, just because critical listening through speakers can be complicated by bad placement, background noise, and all sorts of environmental factors that are better managed through headphones. You can also get some very good headphones for the same price as some very crappy speakers. I really like my Sony MDR V6's for audio work. Not the best thing out there by a long shot, but still awfully good, pretty cheap, and nearly indestructible. YMMV, of course.
Any chance of a lossless version of the 93 mix? I know it's counter-intuitive, but I wasn't actually very interested in the '93 mix until I knew it had a big flaw. Now that I know about the missing snowspeeder crash sound, I want to hear it more than ever!
And yeah, I honestly probably can't hear the difference between 224k AC3 and lossless, but my philosophy is it can't ever hurt to go lossless.
JediZombie said:
I doubt casual fans care one way or the other.
Many casual fans, particularly younger ones, have never seen the original Star Wars trilogy. Which really indicates the need for a term for people who call themselves Star Wars fans, but who aren't in fact fans of the Star Wars trilogy, since the term "Star Wars fan" is already taken by those who are. Too many Star Warses.
RobotWalrus said:
Sweet Lord. I had attributed the problem with the Castillian track to either a honest mistake by whoever put together the GOUT edition or just lazy editing, but after reading what you all mention, I'm beginning to think that they are doing it on purpose.
Not to mention the Russian dub mixes PAL and film-speed sources without pitch-correcting them to match. I get the feeling that dubbing is an afterthought in a lot of places, and not just with Star Wars. The only place I've noticed that dubs get a real professional level of attention is in France. In fact, I personally had a pretty low opinion of dubbing in general until I heard some French audio for some films.
Well, the Castilian audio is fixed now, and I think the only noticeable side-effect is that Chewie's SE door-tapping is now present, but I think that's more bearable than switching dialects (and actors) mid-film.
RobotWalrus said:
I'd like to point out, though, a little problem I found in the Castillian Spanish audio track. From 1:16:45 to 1:19:46 (the first half of the trash compactor scene), the audio is in Latino Spanish instead of Castillian Spanish.
Just to close the loop on this, there is certainly an error here, and it's like that on the GOUT, which means it likely has been an error on most Castilian dubs of the OT since it was first out on home video. IIRC there's a reel change right in the middle of the trash compactor scene, so if, perhaps, there was damage on their Castilian audio at the end of one reel, maybe some wise guy thought they could just splice in the Latino audio and nobody would care. When they went back and re-did things for the Special Editions, they either found some undamaged audio or managed to repair or re-record it, so it's correct on the Blu-rays. Since that scene isn't very much altered, it should be a piece of cake to restore.
It reminds me very much of what happened with the missing dialogue on the German dub, and I wonder if the other pre-home-video dubs (French, Italian) may need some looking over too. RobotWalrus has checked the rest of the trilogy and the Castilian dubs for those are fine.
I'll make a fixed track and make it available to any interested parties. I don't have it yet, but let me know if you're interested.
CatBus said:
RobotWalrus said:
I'd like to point out, though, a little problem I found in the Castillian Spanish audio track. From 1:16:45 to 1:19:46 (the first half of the trash compactor scene), the audio is in Latino Spanish instead of Castillian Spanish.
Whoah. That audio is straight off the NTSC GOUT IIRC (maybe PAL GOUT... the splicing was on the Latino track, not the Castilian one). Maybe it's always been like this? Does anyone have a source that doesn't do this?
PM if you've got another source, even if it's just partial for the section mentioned.
I'd like to add that Special Edition sources would probably be fine for this segment, if there really is different Castilian Spanish for this.
RobotWalrus said:
First of all, Mr. Harmy, thank you very much for creating and sharing this incredible redux (or should I say "dedux"?) of the Star Wars movies! It's just absurdly mind-blowing how a single guy working on this in his free time has managed to create a better cut of the original, unaltered films than what George Lucas and his +500 employees at IL&M did.
I'd like to point out, though, a little problem I found in the Castillian Spanish audio track. From 1:16:45 to 1:19:46 (the first half of the trash compactor scene), the audio is in Latino Spanish instead of Castillian Spanish.
It's a minor problem alright, since Latino Spanish and Castillian Spanish are pretty much the same, other than the accents used and some minor differences in vocabulary, but still, it would awesome if you could check that out and see if you can get it fixed.
Once again, thank you very much for your amazing effort! :)
Whoah. That audio is straight off the NTSC GOUT IIRC (maybe PAL GOUT... the splicing was on the Latino track, not the Castilian one). Maybe it's always been like this? Does anyone have a source that doesn't do this?
PM if you've got another source, even if it's just partial for the section mentioned.
Bingowings said:
Handman said:
No Jar-Jar.
*snip*
If you look at aliens like Yoda or Chewie or even Jabba they have a realistic feel to them despite their nature. There's a physicality to them and they feel like people.
OT Yoda and Chewie, sure. But PT Yoda and Chewie? I have to disagree. Any complexity they had in the prequels was inherited from the OT. They were cartoonish cardboard cutouts, just from a different cartoon than Jar-Jar.
If the same care had been taken as was taken with the OT characters he could have worked.
He is a touchstone as to what went wrong with the PT. It's just too cartoonish and lacks enough human spirit.
I'd actually argue he's got more going for him than most other characters in the PT. Sure, he doesn't fit in the Star Wars universe, I'll give you that, but in anything but the name, does PT Obi-Wan? Anakin? They don't belong in Star Wars either, just not because they are too silly. At least "idiotic goofball" is a schtick. Anakin doesn't even have that going for him. And Jar-Jar is one of the few PT characters that successfully makes eye contact with other characters, so he compares favorably with the "real" characters on the physicality side as well.
DeeBeeP said:
Feallan said:
DeeBeeP said:
Works flawlessly, thanks so much. 2 down, 1 to go. Any time-frame when the ROTJ subtitles could be finished? If its before the end of the year we might just hold off on watching them, if not then oh well.
I dunno, ask Sadako. BTW if I were you, I'd wait for ROTJ 2.0 anyway
I skimmed through 1.0 and its got some rough spots. Its definitely watchable I just need some subtitles.
Just to be clear, Project Threepio has Japanese subtitles for ROTJ, and they work just fine with DeEd ROTJ 1.0. They're just not available in the SRT format yet.
PM's sent.
Nanner Split said:
I saw this musician in Victoria, BC not too many years back. I wonder if you could still find Darth Stradivarius there.
Star Wars: Drive-in, in parents' car.
Empire: 35mm theatre
Jedi: 35mm theatre
Holiday Special: In my parents' basement on our TV which was still black-and-white at the time.
I never saw Caravan of Courage. I don't think there are any other Star Wars films or shows worth mentioning.
mechanikism said:
I'm pretty sure the Tantive IV crew's blaster bolts were blue, while the stormtroopers' were red.
Learning is half the battle ;-)
Actually the 1980 Latino dub is a merger from two different sources, both of which came to me, unlabelled, audio-only. One or both may have ultimately come from you. Most of it is from a very high quality source that had about three locations where English audio was still present, and those three areas were patched over using a lower-quality source blended with the isolated score to make the transitions more seamless. If you are responsible for either or both of these sources, thank you very much!
EDIT: More details about how this track was assembled can be found here.
