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Harmy said:

So far, a few mistakes were caught - some missing subtitles (CatBus, do you think you could make a subtitle track that only has those subs that are missing? Just for this workprint - I will be replacing all the subs for the final version)

At least for now, people could use the subtitle file ROTJ-en-titles.srt included with the workprint, which does all of the subtitles, plus crawl and opening titles. I don’t have good Internet access today, so a better option would need to wait a bit at least. Or I suppose someone could just delete the extra subtitles out of that file and upload the result – that’d be fine with me.

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Regarding sync, these subtitles are designed to sync to the English stereo audio, not dubs or the mono mixes. If you’re trying to watch a dub or a mono mix with subtitles, the sync may drift in and out. Also, Project Threepio subs tend to run on the “slow” side–i.e. they start at the right time, but they sometimes display after the speaker is done talking. This is intentional, to give younger viewers and other people who need a little extra time enough time to read the complete subtitle.

EDIT: There are utilities included with the project to make the subs sync better with the mono mix, but they will still be missing the lines unique to the mono mix.

That’s a new definition of “genius” I’m not familiar with.

Alzfpxq said:

This is great stuff.

Why has the line “Close the blast doors!” been cut from the scene where the storm troopers are chasing Han and Chewie? I believe the line was in the theatrical version and was only cut from the original VHS release.

Plus, it’s one of my favorite lines in the movie. 😛

Wrong thread, really. Star Wars premiered with three distinct audio mixes, depending on where you saw it. Two audio mixes did not have “Close the blast doors!” and one did. Harmy chose the 1977 six-channel theatrical mix as the default track because (more or less) it sounds great and is authentic too. The 1977 mono mix, the one with the line you like, is another favorite around here, and it’s available as an alternate track. VHS never had the 1977 mono mix, but in 1985, they created yet another stereo mix which tried to merge the elements of the theatrical mono and multichannel mixes, and used that for home video (prior to 1985, the home video mix was the 1977 stereo mix). And then they had another go at it and made a fifth distinct audio mix in 1993, this time incorporating entirely non-theatrical elements. Star Wars was a mess of versions long before 1997, and that’s not even including the fact that they changed the name of the film itself in 1981…

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PM’s sent. That’s fine about the posting mistakes – it takes some time to get used to our extremely large forum layout. I’ve heard this is going to be fixed, but don’t know when.

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Works for me. There are updated subtitles on the way, but I’d rather go with the current ones for the workprint.

Yeah MKV. Sure it’ll be a huge improvement over 1.0, but it’s still a workprint. No need to build a big ecosystem around it.

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There’s a README file in the project which should explain this and other naming convention things.

• “en-native” is what you want to use under most circumstances.
• “en-template” is what to use if you’re making subtitles in another language from scratch
• “en-full” is what you’d use in a preservation such as the Krieg der Sterne project, where the crawl has been translated into another language, and the alien subtitles have either been translated or removed

Also, generally speaking, don’t use the SRT files unless the SUP files won’t work for your purposes.

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imperialscum said:

CatBus said:

• And if they get curious about Star Wars beyond the Original Trilogy, I’ve got the Holiday Special too.

What if they find out about PT from friends in school? Will not let them watch it? 😃

They already know the whole story – there’s three Star Wars movies and a bunch of poor-quality extra movies like the Holiday Special that are just marketing cash-ins. If they enjoy the Holiday Special, there’s a chance they’ll enjoy Caravan of Courage and some of the other worse-quality movies that they might hear about from friends in school. But Holiday Special is the only one of the inferior set that I’ll watch with them (and also the only one we have on-hand). They can watch the others, but they watch them alone.

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StarChewyWar said:

Wait, I’m confused. How can a 4K scan of a print have less quality than the terrible 720p Blu Rays?

The Blu-rays are based on scans of negatives, not prints. Negatives have a lot more detail than prints. So no matter how badly they screwed it up, there is often still more detail in the Blu-rays than anyone saw in the theatre, or that we’d be able to get from prints under the best-case scenario. That’s not to say there isn’t the occasional DNR bloodbath that erases, for example, Han’s mouth…

Also, if you wanted a reproduction of the theatrical experience, you might not necessarily want all that detail from the negatives. I would, but that’s more of a philosophical argument.

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It’s fine, I laughed too. Also, if at some point you get your new 2.0 subs in their more-or-less final placement and appearance within the video frame, let me know. In fact, all I’d really need is a still image of a frame showing the subtitle for “You may have been a good smuggler…”, and I can do the rest from there.

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Thanks for the feedback! The Brazilian Portuguese subtitles definitely traveled a long path to get from their initial rather awful state to their current good state–I’m not surprised that there are still a few issues remaining. These will be fixed in the next release.

Harmy said:

CatBut

Okay, now that’s just rude 😉

Yeah, these films certainly fail any reasonable test of gender equality–but Leia was a refreshing breath of fresh air compared with your typical “damsel in distress” character common at the time. “Good for its time” is faint praise, but it’s better than nothing.