CatBus

carlosmon said:

Hello. I found a little mistake in ROTJ-es-es-titles.srt.

8
00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:10,600
…ha comenzado en secreto la construcción
de una nueva espacial armada…

It should be:
8
00:01:07,050 --> 00:01:10,600
…ha comenzado en secreto la construcción
de una nueva estación espacial armada…

Compare with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oezcJuSg3_A

Good call! I will make this change, and also I’ve got someone else going through the Castilian subtitles and providing improvements in many other places.

Are you just talking Star Wars? Because film != film… the actual filmstock is extremely highly variable, as are the optics at both the camera and projection ends. Very good filmstock with very good optics yields detail that IMO can exceed 2K even in the theatre. Regarding Star Wars, I believe Technicolor is one generation earlier than a typical opening-day projection print, and I believe the Silver Screen print was a dupe print, meaning it was actually one generation later than a typical opening-day projection print. Also, I’ve heard that 70mm blow-ups of 35mm prints, once projected, still show more detail than the 35mm prints they’re derived from, which is a little counterintuitive for people coming at it from the digital world.

yoda-sama said:

Just an example of how lost we get without your leadership.

All hail Stinky.

PM sent. Project Threepio is just a pack of subtitles in various formats. I’ve sent you a link because they will be newer versions than what you got with most of the Despecialized Editions, and likely in a more easily usable format.

If the audio is off, it may be a transcoding problem. Try not to transcode unless you have to–there’s a technical HOWTO forum which is probably the best place to ask questions when you run into format-shifting issues. Selecting dubs and subtitles is a feature of the playback software, not the file. Just include all of the subtitles and dubs you need in the file, and the playback software should allow you to switch between them. Hope that helps.

Is desperately trying to avoid revisionism in one of the few places there isn’t any. Proceeds to call it A New Hope. Sigh.

We understand. You needed time for the mice to reload.

I’ve started working my way through Hindi and Tamil again, and it seems the problems aren’t limited to Star Wars, or to Hindi.

In Hindi, Star Wars had about eight instances of English still showing up in the audio, Jedi so far has four. They clearly pasted the Hindi audio over an English template of some sort, and in addition to the missed lines, there are sudden volume changes, rough transitions, dropouts, all sorts of fun stuff to try and repair. It’s unclear if Jabba and Greedo aren’t dubbed over because that’s how the Hindi dub is, or that’s how the people who edited this audio decided it should be. The good news if that the Hindi dub is from a good-quality source, probably DVD.

Tamil’s is much lower quality, probably VHS/OTA recording. So far, I haven’t seen any signs of English in the files, but there’s some real head-scratchers in there. The end of the sail barge fight has all of the audio chopped up and pasted together in seemingly random order, which is fun to try to reassemble in another language. Luke and Leia’s conversation ends with a half-second of techno music, and there’s a 14-second patch of static, which I’ve opted to replace with English until we get a better source. So I’m responsible for the English in this one. Also, they dub everything. Wicket is dubbed in Tamil (or in a nonsense language by a Tamil voice actor, I can’t tell).

I thought working with the two languages together would be easier since, if they came with the same video, they should sync with each other, right? Yeah, maybe not so much. Anyway, I’ll put together what I can for these, but they’re really going to be incomplete until better sources turn up. Like a lot of our international language options, a pretty flawed version is still good enough to attract the interest necessary to get a better version.

dave88 said:

A likely reference to Neal Cassady AKA Cowboy Neal AKA Dean Moriarity in Jack Kerouac’s “On The Road”

Yikes, I will never make a CowboyNeal reference again.

Yes, the AR in those screencaps doesn’t match, but what I’m saying is, if you shaved eight pixels off the left and right of the GOUT, then stretched it back out to fill the same rectangle, it would be a much closer match – and that’s how it would have actually looked if you watched it on a TV circa 1993 when the master was made.

Most DVDs get too tall and skinny when you watch them on a computer, or over HDMI. It’s not specific to the GOUT.

I guess that settles it.

You’ve mentioned you’re colorblind, and that’s probably why you’re using color-descriptive words a little atypically. The GOUT is too bright, desaturated, and pink-shifted (among other issues). The blues you’re seeing are IMO mostly just the brightness talking.

Be prepared to get into the tall weeds on aspect ratio, because the DVD format is weird. An NTSC DVD has eight pixels on each side of the image which are essentially throwaway–it’s called nominal analogue blanking. These are pixels that never make it to the display over an analogue connection. So you actually trim those 16 pixels off the sides, and THEN stretch it, and then it’s probably closer to the correct AR than you think. The problem is that digital connections don’t lose any pixels, the entire image makes it too the display, and an old-style DVD will appear slightly too tall and skinny for a modern set. Conversely, many DVD authors nowadays don’t bother taking blanking into account, use all the pixels, and so those images will appear slightly to short and fat to anyone using an analogue connection. And there’s no way to tell in advance which way the disc was authored, you just have to look at it and figure it out.

Not to mention they weren’t that strict about maintaining aspect ratio in 93 anyway, all technical issues aside.

Drive-in. The seventies were strong in my family.

Dek Rollins said:

Okay. Wait, about how obtuse are you, just for clarification?

I just paid five dollars to find out I’m rounded at the free end!

I’d like just a little more discussion of my obtuseness, please. Thanks.

Let me know when you’re close to needing subtitles. I’m very close to a point where I wouldn’t mind releasing a new version. Not many changes relevant to Empire yet, but you may as well include the latest & greatest. I do have a few people still out checking various translations, so a little more waiting would yield more fixes.

TV’s Frink said:

CatBus said:

CowboyNeal.

Googling that was of no help.

I aim to baffle.

It’s a Slashdot reference. A million idiots would race there to post a message on a new item that said “First post”. When Slashdot ran polls, they would usually have a nonsense answer in the poll called “CowboyNeal”, which would usually win.

CowboyNeal.

I think Darth Mallwalker covered that in the bug reports thread (page 1 or 2)–there was a GOUT sync issue, two frames toward the end, but I think it was in a workprint, not the final version.

It’s the shot with the red sky in the background, when Luke’s out with the binoculars. I believe Harmy rotoscoped Luke’s SE head onto a GOUT upscale for the rest of the shot (the sky was replaced). Although Luke’s head should be more in focus than the rest of the shot, I think the differing sources exaggerate the effect.

Oh, I’ve lost track of the specifics honestly, but yes, other tracks have gotten fixes too. Not to mention totally new dub options like Thai and Navajo. Getting updated versions of any dubs you plan on using couldn’t hurt.

That’s fine. I just don’t want the old tracks included on new releases when there are better options. Leaving them out entirely is fine too, because people can always go get the latest & greatest, as you said.

So, I don’t know if this has already been addressed, but if this does have a future release pending, it’d be nice to have better dubs & subtitles than what’s available on 2.5. The broken Castilian track alone causes more grief with 2.5 than anything. PM me if you need links.

Dre’s tool should make short work of matching dissimilar sources. It is awesome.

Sa da tay!

poita said:

he contacted me, we chatted like grown-ups and we sorted it out, and got on with working.

That’s not how the Internet is supposed to work.