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#1471558
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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Darth telly said:

ya, I get that, but would you say that the 4k release of terminator 2 is better than a film print? same case for star wars.

Personally, I would definitely rather watch the UHD of My Fair Lady than a projection print of the same film, but I recognize that it’s not really the same as the theatrical experience. The BD and UHD releases of Star Wars are trash on their own – I don’t think anyone here will argue that – but the question is if there’s anything of value worth salvaging from them (color-correcting, grain-matching and despecializing in the process), not if you’d actually watch them without those alterations. I’d argue yes, there’s stuff worth salvaging from them. Others would argue no, it’s irrevocably tainted. I actually don’t like the D+ releases as much as Despecialized, but I like D+77 better than 4K77 and 4K83 better than OTD83. It’s a crazy mix of personal preferences. In other words, black bears are the best bear.

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#1471505
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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SnooPac beat me to it, but clearly not many fans of the US Office here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaANll8h18

“Black bears are the best bear” is sort of a parody pronouncement of something that is clearly an opinion being stated as if it were a proven fact. But once you’re explaining the joke, the moment is lost. Luckily for me, the jokes I tell are only for my own amusement. If anyone else gets it, that’s just gravy.

Did I ever tell you my joke about the UDP packet? It doesn’t matter if you get it.

On a serious note, the grain versus detail debate is real, although it’s not really about grain, it’s about generational loss. The optical duplication process used to create projection prints from negatives (typically via several intermediaries) loses significant detail with every generation. Thus, if you want to get the most detail, you go back to the original film negatives, or at least something higher-generation like an interpositive. This is why Blu-ray restorations tend to be based on “scans of the negative” instead of “scans of projection prints”. The Star Wars UHDs, and even the BDs, are based on these higher-generation sources. So even with all the grain scrubbing and color mangling and other nasties, they do in fact have more detail than a projection print. That’s more detail than anybody ever actually saw in the theater, though, so whether that’s a good thing or not depends on what you’re after. So while 4K77 is a better representation of how the film looked in theaters, D+77 does have more fine image detail. Even Despecialized has more detail, and it’s 720p. The reason 4K83 looks so much better than 4K77 is that it’s a special print that skipped a few duplication generations, creating a more detailed and less grainy image (also seventies filmstock was crap, and this was mostly resolved by the time ROTJ was filmed, but that’s another tangent).

Grain is sort of a red herring. Because of how optical duplication works, the grain structure is “stacked” with the grain of all the previous generations. So the grain of the negative may be fine, but by the time you get to the projection print, it’s pretty thick. But really I’ve found it’s not the grain so much as the lack of fine detail people object to. But as you lose detail in duplication, you gain grain, so they kind of go hand-in-hand.

Nevertheless, if you’re blending with NTSC TV footage and don’t want the quality seams to be obvious, I’d recommend a Laserdisc/GOUT source, but color-adjusted.

Regarding his absence, Zion comes and goes, and works on his own schedule. I would not necessarily take a year-long absence as a sign of a problem. But I do wish him well.

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#1471182
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25 Years of the Special Edition
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I saw them in theaters. I didn’t know the significance of the Special Editions at the time – that the original films from that point forward would be unavailable. I thought they were just a weird alternate edit of the trilogy that would eventually make its way as bonus features onto future home video releases of the trilogy – a moneymaker, because you can charge more for six films than three. DVD was the next big thing in 1997, I figured it was just going to be a cash grab and nothing more. Everyone would be re-buying Star Wars in a couple years on the new format, and they knew it, that’s all. That’s what I thought was the meaning of the “one last time” Faces home video advertisements. Get it one last time… on VHS.

It just didn’t seem… even remotely plausible that things would turn out the way they did, especially given the quality of the edits. And it still didn’t seem plausible for the next decade as they still failed to make a new home video release of the original movies. There must be a plan, I thought. Nobody would actually throw away these beloved classic films.

Shows what I knew then. I’m definitely more cynical now, and see how filmmakers can often be the worst parents of their own creations – first bringing them to life, and then proceeding to destroy them. Although thankfully none are as bad as Lucas.

And people are still clinging to those same Star Wars home video releases they had back in 1997, keeping their VHS and Laserdisc players in repair decades after both formats were effectively dead. I would certainly never have guessed that. That so many would watch some of their favorite movies on the big screen in anticipation of a new home video release, and then never buy them on home video ever again.

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#1471103
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When and why did Lucas decide to make The Emperor a Force-user?
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I also see that they made intentional parallels between Yoda and the Emperor, as far as being the masters of their respective apprentices. Some of it is more apparent in Jedi, but it certainly starts in Empire. Frail, wrinkled, very old figure who walks with the aid of a stick. Smaller than their pupil. The use of both the words “master” and “friend” to describe their relationship (friend might not seem like a giveaway, but Lucas frequently links the last line of one scene with the first line of the next scene – “I have a promise to keep… to an old friend” / “Rise, my friend”)

It seems like as they were developing a master/pupil dynamic for Yoda and Luke in Empire, they were doing the same for the Emperor and Vader. The Emperor just didn’t get much screentime until Jedi.

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#1465190
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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FYI – my youngest son just voluntarily and without any prompting at all decided he wanted to watch the Holiday Special a few days ago. In fact, to be perfectly honest, there may have been a little bit of an attempt to dissuade him from this choice. Nevertheless, he not only stood by his choice, but watched the entire thing. When asked afterward, he reported that the Holiday Special was “weird” – I’m calling that a win, another fan is born!

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#1462472
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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I guess telecined 24p film-based material was spliced into native 60i video material. I’m not sure how to make that look vaguely natural throughout except to keep it interlaced (well, deinterlace, process, and reinterlace). 60p messes with the 24p-sourced material, and 24p messes with the 60i-sourced material.

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#1462448
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Preserving the...<em>cringe</em>...Star Wars Holiday Special (Released)
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I don’t know what to make of it. Some of it seems really good, some of it seems pretty bad. The choice of 60fps seems off to me – I guess they needed to IVTC to enhance it, but 24fps or 30fps, or even re-telecining it might feel less weird. Also, I feel I’d have to check to see if they’re using the best sources to begin with, and not overprocessing the image. And 4K is just plain silly for the final output resolution – a complete waste, even if it’s useful for Topaz to upscale to it as an intermediate resolution.

I dunno, I’d say it’s a promising technology showcase, but I’m not rushing to throw out my current copy. TL;DR wait and see.

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#1461949
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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Project files have been updated to version 12.3 (codename: “Mind the Gap”), and the first post has been updated. Please PM me for temporary download links until the files are available at some more permanent locations.

Rough summary of changes from 12.2 to 12.3:

  • Added/changed titles-only subtitles to accompany new Mandarin, Indonesian, Malaysian, Russian, Brazilian Portuguese, Korean, and Ukrainian dubs
  • Improved American Spanish subtitles (thanks to CAL0901)
  • Fixed a problem where generating EPIV or 1985 subtitles would add an “Episode IV/A NEW HOPE” subtitle to titles-only subtitles even when the crawl was dubbed
  • Thai font switched to Noto Looped Thai
  • Improved support for hypothetical 24.000fps preservations
  • Included Java binaries updated to OpenJDK 17
  • Most scripts now process images faster if Python’s Pillow module (or compatible) is installed (the render-subs script is the notable exception)
  • Windows utilities are built including the Pillow-SIMD module for improved performance, and also use a custom-compiled PyInstaller bootloader to further reduce antivirus false positives