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#1424416
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International Audio (including Voice-Over Translations)
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Again thanks to ArdaYcln, we now have Persian/Farsi dubs. These are apparently unauthorized pirate dubs, in the style of the original Turkish dubs, where instead of voicing over the English soundtrack, they replace the English dialogue and filled in the background music and SFX to match. In this case, they did a much better job of blending with the rest of the film… some of the time. In fact, I really wonder if they really did somehow use a voices-free soundtrack for some parts of the films, but then use really out of place and mismatched audio for other parts. It’s a weird mix, at least in terms of technical execution.

The sync was pretty haphazard but it’s much improved in the despecialized versions, and unfortunately there are missing sections, patched in with English. Those will be covered with Persian titles-only subtitles in the next version of Project Threepio.

At the moment, only Star Wars is synced, and available in the usual places. The other films are being worked on.

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#1423768
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Harmy said:

I export everything in rec709. To be honest, all this hdr stuff is giving me headaches. Not just for Star Wars but at work too - there, at least, we have a dedicated support team for this stuff. 😀

For what it’s worth, it’s possible use Rec. 2020 without any HDR. There is a benefit to it, albeit small. Some commercial discs do it, and (UHD) player compatibility is not an issue.

The downside is that you’ll be inviting questions like “Why didn’t you do HDR?”. But to be honest, those questions are going to happen regardless!

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#1423515
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International Audio (including Voice-Over Translations)
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Thanks to ArdaYlcn, I’ve got another Turkish dub, and this one will replace the one in my current collection.

The old despecialized dub was great, except for one issue. The Emperor scene in Empire Strikes Back was missing, so initially it was filled with English, then eventually I filled it with a different pre-SE dub. But Vader’s voice in that scene still didn’t match the rest of the film at all, and the overall quality difference between the two sources was obvious and annoying.

The new dub is the 2015 iTunes dub (despecialized, of course), and it’s complete (finally!). And unlike some other Turkish dubs, it’s not missing the score, and Chewbacca isn’t dubbed, so it’s pretty faithful to the films in that respect. What I notice most about this dub is the voice matching. For the most part, they found actors who sounded very much like the original actors. So many dubs get Leia very wrong, but not this one. And in some moments I thought “Billy Dee Williams speaks fluent Turkish? Wow!” Luke is cast a little younger than most dubs. This makes it easy to distinguish between him & Han (which can be an issue on some dubs), and the younger voice really goes well with the young Mark Hamill in Star Wars. But it doesn’t quite work as well in Jedi IMO.

I’ve asked ArdaYlcn to do some quality checks on this first, and then it will be available soon afterward.

EDIT: Also, this new dub will require new “titles” subtitles, which will be included in the next Project Threepio release.

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#1423158
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International Audio (including Voice-Over Translations)
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FYI – all of the dubs in my personal collection are now available synced to NTSC GOUT (Despecialized, 4K77), and theatrical (4K83), with the exception of Turkish. All future 4Kxx and Despecialized releases will be theatrically synced, but in the meantime, you just need to be careful which audio you use.

The reason Turkish isn’t included is because I’m currently syncing/despecializing a new Turkish dub, which should get rid of the problem with the Emperor scene in ESB. Once that’s done, that new dub will be available synced to both frame standards.

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#1422252
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Help with donations for an old member/friend?
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I’m not really in the position to offer money at the moment, but I can offer a testimonial for those who don’t remember You_Too well.

You_Too is a longtime valued member of this community. He doesn’t like to toot his own horn, but he’s contributed in a number of places. He was deeply involved in the color correction of the 720p GOUT upscales. He was responsible for the initial “de-purpled” correction of the Blu-rays, which became the basis for the Despecialized Edition’s Blu-ray footage. He gave me the initial Nordic language translations for Project Threepio, which are still in use today for Norwegian and Danish. And of course he was one of the first out of the door to save the Shire from the green menace of the Extended Edition Blu-rays.

He’s also a really nice guy. There are a lot of, er, strong personalities around here, myself included. But You_Too has a superpower – he’s immune to interpersonal bullshit. He just wants to help, and he delivers. Arguments can be raging all around, and like a spaceship immune to gravity, he just passes right by that black hole without getting sucked in. He’s a peach, a mensch, whatever term you want to use. If you don’t know him, he’s worth getting to know.

For those who don’t want to read a “wall of text”, he badly needs to move to a new apartment, for his and his mother’s well-being. Any help would be appreciated.

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#1417881
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Harmy said:

Hi, guys, here’s my new update video:

https://youtu.be/1RBGGB8tgzU

Just so the discussion about frame references doesn’t distract people from seeing your update video, I quoted your link again.

As for the apartment, I’m most impressed by your door-opening ghost. Also, it’s touching to have the big box of tissues ready by the TV, just in case you get overwhelmed 😉

Seriously though, keep safe. I’m glad you at least have avoided COVID thus far.

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#1417817
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Thank you, Williarob, that makes things much easier. Harmy, in THAT case I think it’s fair to say that by the time you have something worth releasing, and certainly in the longer term, theatrical frames will be a standard worth pursuing for all three films.

If you commit to going with theatrical frames, I’ll commit to switching all of my sub and audio sources in time to be ready for your next release.

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#1417815
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Hey You_Too, it’s good to hear from you. And I think you undervalue your own blanket tint adjustment. While not as good as this, it was still worlds better than the EE Blu-ray, and the best alternative version available for quite some time. Just, you know, Merry’s vest went all orange, that’s all 😉

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#1417787
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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So basically it’s currently still a cluster****. Unless we can coordinate a summit of project leads and get everyone to agree to a frame standard, it’s likely to continue to be a mess. Sorry. I know how much of a pain it was just finally arriving at NTSC GOUT after all those PAL GOUT battles.

IMO all of the frame standards under discussion make no difference at all for subtitles. Only the two-frame differences are detectable to me for audio, and I’ve even unfortunately seen evidence that this even matters for some dubs (i.e. German). I’m sure there’s someone out there who can detect a one-frame sync difference for audio, but that’s not me.

As for new tracks, hairy_hen made a new 4K83-synced 5.1 track, which doesn’t sync to DeEd. However, I’m sure he’d be willing to make a GOUT-synced track for a new DeEd. And even if he’s not available, I’ve made a GOUT-synced version of his new 5.1 track and it sounds seamless to me (although I would definitely rather get it from h_h!). So it’s pretty easy to take theatrically-synced audio and convert it, if and when new tracks come along.

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#1417777
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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4Kxx is a mix of theatrical and GOUT, unfortunately.

4K77 is GOUT-synced, not theatrical. It’s missing a frame at ~1:40:08.
4K83 is theatrical, and it’s different from GOUT by two additional frames at ~47:43.
From what I’ve heard, 4K80 will also be theatrical, which would be different from GOUT by two additional frames at ~1:44:24.

So while a lot of people may say the new frame standard is theatrical, AFAICT no preservation is actually using that standard for the whole trilogy, which is kinda confusing. You’d be the first, which means your tracks still won’t sync with anyone else’s, unless they also change theirs. I’d recommend trying to coordinate with the 4Kxx project – try to convince them of the benefits of using a single frame standard for everything, and if they’re willing to change 4K77, you can change your whole trilogy, and then everything’s happy.

EDIT: And if everyone’s going through the trouble of changing their sync anyway, I may as well plug my own opinion as well – if we’re switching to theatrical, add a 1/2-second padding to the beginning of each film, so that all the HDMI handshake business that happens on a home theater setup doesn’t potentially cut off the beginning of the Fox fanfare.

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#1413870
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How bad is the crop of the 2019 master of Empire Strikes Back compared to other releases?
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Servii said:

I hope Harmy is aware of this, since he’s using the 2019 version as one of his main sources for Despecialized 3.0. I’m sure he’s already accounted for it in some way, though.

I brought it up in his thread. He did not seem inclined to uncrop anything unless it was really egregious, simply because what would be required to blend a 4K80 (or whatever) border around a 19SE frame would be prohibitively difficult & time-consuming for more than a few shots.

That said, I intend to keep tabs on this to ensure that the scene where Leia’s cropped out of a scene where she’s speaking should be considered egregious enough to be worth that effort, even if none of the others are.