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#1285226
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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Okay, I finally received the one piece that I decided I didn’t want to release a new version without (the last file of the new Arabic translation). That doesn’t mean I’m 100% ready–I still need to do some processing of that file, etc, but it’s now just a matter of time. 11.0 is imminent… for certain generous definitions of imminent 😉

If you have any improved translations, now is the time to send them in if you want them in the next version. I’ll still take them afterward, of course, but there may be a delay before the next version of Project Threepio is released.

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#1284790
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Despecialized V 4K77: Dawn of Justice
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ChainsawAsh said:

Yeah, it’s a “sourced from a release print” thing. They got super lucky with the 4K83 print since it was (assuming I remember right) a show print that’s a couple generations closer to the negative than a release print would be, so it was A) rarely projected and thus in much better shape, and B) not nearly as contrasty, so you don’t have the crushed blacks or clipped whites that the 4K77 print has in some areas.

Yeah, the 4K83 print is simply stunning. I’ve only seen one print in better shape, and that’s (what I’ve seen of) Poita’s Empire print. Which is pretty good news on the Star Wars preservation front…

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#1284784
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Despecialized V 4K77: Dawn of Justice
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GodMars said:

CatBus said:

GodMars said:

No one else has experienced crushed blacks and blown-out whites with 4K77?

Depends what you mean.

4K77 DNR suffers a complete loss of detail in areas of certain shots depending on the lighting, and scenes with any sort of brightness or darkness skew in those directions pretty heavily. This is on a calibrated 4K TV. I assume this is an issue with the source, but I’ve never seen anyone else mention it.

I’ve noticed it. It’s one of the reasons I still prefer DeEd, even though I’ll be the first to admit Star Wars DeEd has some serious issues in its own right. Nobody brings it up likely because there’s not likely anything to be done about it, and it’s considered tolerable to some, and there are other preservations for those who don’t like it.

Also, you must keep this in mind – if the whites were blown out and blacks crushed in the theatrical showings, then 4K77 has done its job in reproducing the theatrical experience. Lower-contrast sources like negatives and IPs create a different “Blu-ray”-ish look that I (and likely you) prefer, but it may simply not be theatrically accurate.

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#1284780
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4K83 Released
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Discostu said:

CatBus said:

FWIW, I plan to release a GOUT-synced 4K83 to address all the sync issues with not only dubs, but any other GOUT-synced audio tracks (Laserdisc rips, in-theatre recordings, etc) that people may have collected over the last 26 years since the Definitive Collection Laserdiscs came out and became the primary thing to sync to.

Awesome!

Yep, I’ll share more once the thing’s available.

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#1284779
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4K83 Released
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oohteedee said:

Just keep in mind that when the 4K83 optical audio was being synced to the print it was discovered that the actual GOUT audio isn’t properly synced to the GOUT video. Just as they screwed up and missed two film frames they also screwed up syncing the audio.

So really if you’re going to GOUT sync 4K83 you should properly GOUT sync all the GOUT audio tracks too since they are not even synced properly to the GOUT video.

The print audio can be accurately synced to the print since any audio dropouts you hear can actually be seen as to why they dropout in the optical audio track on the left side of the print. The audio dropouts are at splices in the optical audio track on the print.

I’m not sure anyone ever synced to the GOUT audio on purpose (the video frames are the reference, not the audio), but if so, sure. Some of the GOUT foreign language tracks aren’t even synced exactly to the GOUT English audio. It’s more likely every audio track has idiosyncratic sync issues, but none as big as the difference between GOUT and 4K83.

Not to worry, though, I’ll be using hairy_hen’s newly synced audio for the main English track, so the English sync will be just as good as 4K83.

The GOUT audio was always assumed to be correct but it’s not.

I don’t recall that ever being the case. I’d say it’s fairer to say people were surprised at how badly off it was, but they weren’t surprised at all that it was off. It’s Lucasfilm for goodness sake.

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#1284676
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4K83 Released
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FWIW, I plan to release a GOUT-synced 4K83 to address all the sync issues with not only dubs, but any other GOUT-synced audio tracks (Laserdisc rips, in-theatre recordings, etc) that people may have collected over the last 26 years since the Definitive Collection Laserdiscs came out and became the primary thing to sync to.

I understand it’s probably a niche use-case, since the 4K83 English tracks are synced just fine and the sync issue is so small/barely noticeable in other tracks, but it’s one easy solution for a lot of little problems that could drag on for years. Don’t know if that old track you got from alt.binaries.starwars in 2003 will sync? Get this version and you don’t have to worry about it. Or at least that’s the theory 😉

Since I really didn’t like the initial color grade, I’ll base this on Sanjuro’s v1.1 grade, and I’ll try to also make it fit on a BD25 (it’ll be 1080p), just to check another box on the compatibility concerns list. No plans for 4K. Encoding at 1080p is choking my computer quite well enough thank you very much.

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#1284544
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Despecialized V 4K77: Dawn of Justice
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DB2 said:

I have a couple of questions:

  1. I tried to watched 4K77 and found it was very choppy on my laptop or on my flash drive which holds 128gb and is supposed to be good for movies - it was playing on my Panasonic 820 4K player. Thoughts on the issue?

  2. I watched the Despecialized 2.7 Star Wars 720p last night and was very impressed! The only issue I saw was the whites seemed a bit clipped at times - specular highlights in particular. Is there a version which alleviates this?

Thanks.

Not sure about #1, but if you try playing the file over the network on your Panny 820, you could rule out disk/interface bottleneck issues. You could also try demuxing the movie and remuxing it with just the audio you want, etc, and see if that helps.

For #2, no. Clipping is an issue on the Blu-ray source (most visible to me in red lights, actually, not whites) and IIRC Harmy has never really addressed that. I expect the nest version WILL address this better due to the availability of good-quality print scans, which wasn’t an option for previous despecializations.

FWIW, I just re-compared ROTJ DeEd vs 4K83 (Sanjuro’s regrade) and still felt DeEd compared favorably. Even in the Rancor scene, in the scenes where the monster’s color looks better in 4K83, Luke looks better in the same shots in DeEd. I guess different strokes, and so on.

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#1284419
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Despecialized V 4K77: Dawn of Justice
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GodMars said:

No one else has experienced crushed blacks and blown-out whites with 4K77?

Depends what you mean. The optical duplication process effectively boosts contrast at every step, so a projection print (4K77) should look contrast-boosted compared with a negative or IP (DeEd). That’s part of what I personally don’t like about the look of print-based preservations in general (and why I prefer the look of well-done Blu-rays – 4K and otherwise – to 35mm prints). That said, 4K83 keeps it pretty under control somehow, possibly because the source was just better. To be honest, I’d probably prefer 4K83 if it came out first, but both it and the DeEd are so far beyond close enough to perfect for my tastes, I go with DeEd simply because I’ve already got one Holy Grail and have no use for a second one.

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#1284310
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Despecialized V 4K77: Dawn of Justice
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I actually prefer DeEd for all films, even though Star Wars is definitely the ugliest of the DeEds.

I’ve found people’s preference largely depends on what they’re looking for. If you’re looking for a true recreation of what the cinema experience in 1977 was, 4K77 is the only way to go. If you’re looking for what a respectful modern Blu-ray transfer would have looked like, then Despecialized still fits the bill better IMO. I’m a purist to the degree that Greedo doesn’t shoot. But I’m happy to get rid of reel change marks and the film damage on Tantive IV.

Jedi is an easier choice for me. Jedi DeEd doesn’t have any of the warts of Star Wars DeEd, and it’s very hard to beat if you’re looking for something equivalent to a modern respectful Blu-ray treatment. 4K83 is clean as hell (amazingly so), but it’s still an old theatrical print, and looks like it (which could be good or bad, depending on what you want).

All DeEd’s are encoded and sized to fit on a BD25 if you want to burn them.

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#1283375
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available]
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Yeah, I got confused by this as well – Puggo’s 8mm digest ESB project includes the same video differences as the 70mm version, so I just assumed the audio differences in that version were similar if not the same as the 70mm. But that’s not the case – in-theatre recordings confirm the 70mm audio was extremely close to the 35mm audio, in spite of the different video. Go figure.

EDIT: Also, if you haven’t heard it, the 8mm digest audio has even more differences from the 35mm audio than the 16mm audio. Give it a listen, it has lots of “what the hell?” moments, and features alternate Leia dialogue where her lip movements actually match what’s said, rather than the 35mm version, where they definitely don’t (“I know where Luke is.”)

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#1280853
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Project Threepio (Star Wars OOT subtitles)
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CatBus said:

Burmese is frustratingly missing a translation for the ROTJ crawl at the moment (volunteers welcome! small translation job! must know burmese! and english!), but that may just have to be good enough.

Just found Burmese subs for the ROTJ crawl! They’re hardsubbed onto video (ugh), but for such a relatively small amount of text, I can manually transcribe it (Operation Eyestrain Redux). I think it may have been worth holding out these last six months after all.