CP3S

Warbler said:

Why should you feel sorry for them?

1. they are not responsible for the scandal

2. They had a lot of pride in Paterno and Penn State.  It is now crushed.   These people bleed blue and white (the colors of the school) and thought of Paterno as a god.   This scandal has to be heartbreaking to them

3. not all of the students rioted

4. the rioting wasn't that bad and only went on for 1 night. 

5. they are not responsible for the scandal

That is actually really depressing to think about. You make it sound like these people have absolutely no life beyond their silly games. Maybe they don't. Makes me feel even less sorry for them. Maybe this will help them wake up and realize their are higher stakes in life than grown men tossing balls around... but probably not. Anyone who raises a man to the height of a god deserve all the pain and disappointment they get. No one is that good. Paterno proved he was far, far from it.

CP3S said:

Their hero turned out not to be so heroic. That always sucks, but as will it always be when someone feels the need to have heroes.

I think it is human nature to want to look at someone as a hero. 

I think this is where your maturity theory comes into play. Hero worship is something we tend to do when we are younger, and grow out of as we get older.

CP3S said:

but not when their upset is focused on the fact that not everyone else is as willing to forgive their hero for his extreme shortcomings as they are. They shouldn't be,

maybe some are in shock over this and don't know what to think.    Maybe some were in denial.   Learning that your hero is not really all he is cracked up to can be difficult to accept.   When we talking about someone regarded as a legend as Paterno is, it is easy for one's judgement about him to be clouded.    They don't want to give up Joe Paterno the legend, so they trick themselves into thinking that Joe Paterno is still the legend and it must be wrong to fire him.  See, this were maturity comes into play.  

How do people really get this worked up about sports? This is one of those things I really can't understand for the life of me. Don't suppose I ever will. "Hero" "Legend" You'd think the man had slain dragons, brought nations out of oppression, and fed all the hungry children of the world. Kind of sad what the "stuff of legends" is these days. 

CP3S said:

he wasn't a very nice person.

they didn't know that until a few days ago.   For 45 years, they thought Paterno was great man who had done so much for the university.

But now they know.

CP3S said:

 I bet there are plenty of people 50 and over who are just as much up in arms about this as the 18-21 year old students.

how many 50 and overs do you think were involved in the rioting?

I don't know. Probably none. 50 year olds probably do a lot more considering of consequences prior to doing things like that than 18-21 year olds. I just meant that I bet there are plenty of 50 and overs who feel the same way as the 18-21 year olds do, even if they aren't actually out there rioting.

CP3S said:

walkingdork said:

My hope is that in 2 years people don't pretend to forget what's happened and begin to gush over Paterno again. I can just picture a new Joe Paterno statue at Penn State in a few years and that's pathetic.

there already is a statue of him there.  Yeah, as much as I hate to say it, there should never be another one. 

That one totally needs to be removed.

there is talk of that.   Its sad that is has to be like this, it is what probably needs happen.   I never thought Paterno would be involved in covering up a child molester.   If had told me two weeks ago that Paterno was covering for a child molester, I'd have told you that you were nuts.  

I guess it is sad, especially if you really looked up to this guy. But honestly, he is a pretty horrible smear on the history of the school (even if he was a highlight of its history before, all that is rather tarnished by all of this). I think removing the statue is right.

Warbler said:

CP3S said:

Warbler said:

I have to say Frink,  when you were 18-21 years of age,  you must have been very wise, smart, and mature for your age. 

I side with Fink 100% on this.

And I don't get what that has to do with maturity or wisdom.

sometimes, it takes maturity and wisdom to understand what is right and wrong.   I believe that is case here.   I believe it would be very easy for someone who was young and immature to think it was wrong to fire Paterno, and to be upset by it.    To a lot of people there, he was their hero.   Why is it wrong for them to be broken hearted over this?   Try and put yourselves their shoes.    

CP3S said:

When I was 18-21 years old I certainly would have felt the exact same way I do now, and I don't even claim to be wise, smart, or even all that mature now.

I would love to travel back in time and ask the 18-21 years old CP3S what he thinks.  

Warb, I am only five years older than that now. Go back to my early posts on this forum from five years ago, just based on my posts, as immature and stupid as many of them were, I think you can be pretty sure what the younger C3PX would have thought of this subject. 

walkingdork said:

Warber, Yeah Paterno is a college football legend and he IS Penn State, but this is the sort of thing that is unforgivable and Paterno deserves to fall (hard) from the grace of Penn State.

oh I quite agree that Paterno deserved to be fired.   Where Frink and I disagree is that I feel sorry for the students at Penn State and Frink does not.  

Why should you feel sorry for them? Their hero turned out not to be so heroic. That always sucks, but as will it always be when someone feels the need to have heroes. Their hero turned out to be a severe dick, I could sympathize and feel bad for them if that is what they were upset about, but not when their upset is focused on the fact that not everyone else is as willing to forgive their hero for his extreme shortcomings as they are. They shouldn't be, he wasn't a very nice person.

I don't think it has to do with maturity, I think it has to do with people. I bet there are plenty of people 50 and over who are just as much up in arms about this as the 18-21 year old students.

walkingdork said:

My hope is that in 2 years people don't pretend to forget what's happened and begin to gush over Paterno again. I can just picture a new Joe Paterno statue at Penn State in a few years and that's pathetic.

there already is a statue of him there.  Yeah, as much as I hate to say it, there should never be another one. 

That one totally needs to be removed.

you are comparing Brett Favre to Joe Paterno?    Paterno meant much more to Penn State than Favre ever meant to Green Bay.     Paterno meant more to Penn State than Lombardi means to Green Bay.  

And Paterno did something far worse to Penn State than Favre did to Greenbay. As Dork admitted, it wasn't exactly a perfect parallel.

Warbler said:

I have to say Frink,  when you were 18-21 years of age,  you must have been very wise, smart, and mature for your age. 

I side with Fink 100% on this.

And I don't get what that has to do with maturity or wisdom. When I was 18-21 years old I certainly would have felt the exact same way I do now, and I don't even claim to be wise, smart, or even all that mature now.

Ziggy needs to stop posting in this thread so much.

Do we really need to yell all the time?

As you are free falling with your computer, you make a second off topic post. Moments later your computer screen opens up and sucks you through. It takes you a few minutes, but eventually you realize that you've just been sucked though... Another Scary Door.

Mrebo said:

And Amy and Rory are their children. It's really messed up. jk, go catch up, people!

AHHHH!!! More spoilers! Cut that out you selfish git...

Mrebo said:

And I still have no clue why they had to get married.

THEY DO WHAT?!?

I hope somebody throws together some custom Blu-ray cover art using these.

doubleKO said:

I was in a club, one Friday. A lovely lady comes walking my way. She walked up and she said "Hello". I said "Hi. My name's Joe". I was lying. So was she. She said her name was Donnie but her shirt said Marie. "Once you get to know me you'll never forget me". I said "Why?" Then She Bit Me.

You type up a post that is entirely off topic, when suddenly your desk chair disappears from beneath you and you find yourself falling. You have fallen through... The Scary Door.

I kind of love these SW posters. Why can't LFL use things like this or better for their cover art rather than the crap they do use?

http://www.postershizzle.com/mondo/olly-moss-does-star-wars/

Ah, yeah, that is probably what he meant. I still prefer the real thing 100 times over to emulation, though. Never quite the same playing those old games on a PC.

You actually never had to blow in them, just stupid kids thought you did. It was a matter of getting the connectors lined up right because of the crappy connectors Nintendo originally used in the front loader units. You could have skipped the violently blowing into the cartridge step and got the same results from just removing and replacing the cartridge a few times.

Dropping $10 or so online for a new higher quality connector will fix the problem.

More reliable system than the NES? What made your NES unreliable?

Mrebo said:

Jedi of Oz

Liam Neeson finds himself in Oz, takes down many Oz villains with a lightsaber and sings "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"

I WANT!

greenpenguino said:

doubleofive said:

Let me get this straight:

Eccleston was pretty excitable. It's actually one of the things I liked about him.

Then Tennant comes along, and he's just as excitable, but less little kid-ish about him

And Smith is even more kid-ish than 9 or 10? I've managed to avoid any previews of 11, hardly the impression I got from the plot I've gleaned (its hard to be 4 years behind on a show).

Eccleston was more thuggish than excitable. But he would get excitable at times.

Tennant was a lot more excitable and running around-y than eccles.

Smith is like tennant X 2 on acid turned up to eleven. I do like his doctor sometimes though.

I agree with this very much.

I like the excitability of both Tennant and Eccleston. Since those are the only Doctors I have seen, I see the Doctor as sort of an excitable alien genius. So I expect excitability. Matt Smith has the excitability down, but sometimes it is annoyingly over the top (or Jar Jar esque), and I feel the genius part isn't shown much. I liked how Tennant and Eccleston felt like wise old men underneath the goofy excitability and carefree attitude. I feel that part is very lacking in Smith's Doctor, sure, it shines through sometimes, but if Smith were my first Doctor I am sure I'd have a very different view of the character. 

I think River goes a long ways in hurting Smith's Doctor as well. Besides being an annoying character a lot of the time, she is constantly showing him up and proving to be just as smart or smarter than him.

All that being said, I think the overall quality of the show is strides better than the RTD era. All my favorite RTD era episodes without exception bear the name "Steven Moffat" in the credits. Even the absolute worst episodes of seasons five and six make the mediocre episodes of the RTD years look awful, and make the awful ones feel unwatchable. And Amy and Rory are really hard to beat as companions.

I think it is the Jar Jar on crack thing. I liked Tennant because, while he was a bit quirky and fun on the surface, his Doctor was portrayed as extremely intelligent and quite somber at times. Matt Smith plays the role as a wild eyed kid giddily going off on all these adventures without putting much thought into it until his companions get f-ed over time and time again, at which point he feels bad, gets serious and rescues them, then goes back to the goofy excited kid dragging them into yet more danger.

While Tennant's Doctor was quirky and a bit odd, Matt Smith's is over the top goofy at times.

But I am an Americano, so I don't count. Going back and watching some Tennant episodes with my friends, I had forgotten just how much I liked him as the Doctor.

Well, the other day my xbox told me I could have 3 months for $9.99, so I took it.

I guess I have had really good experiences with COD for the most part. My best experiences have always been when I brought my own players though.

dark_jedi said:

Uncharted 3 tomorrow(Nov 1) and next Friday(Nov 11) The Elder Scrolls V Skyrim, and on Nov 15th, Assassin's Creed Revelations!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lots of GREAT games this month.

So are any of you grabbing any of these titles? I am grabbing all 3.

I hate how everything comes out at once.

I bought Dead Island, Rage, and Battlefield 3 so far. Plus I have MW3 reserved, and really want Halo: Anniversary. Lot of money to drop at once, and normally I would just pull a Xhonzi and wait, but I have friends getting them on release that I wanted/want to play with in the cases of Dead Island, BF3 and MW3, and Rage was one I was personally really excited about. Should have waited on Rage and maybe even Battlefield 3*

* I enjoy it, but I am having a really hard time getting to the point where I am wetting myself with excitement over it like so many other people. Being my first Battlefield game, I am also having a hard time with the learning curve. People keep telling me I play like a COD player. I once accidentally shot a team mate when he startled me by running out from around a corner I just saw an enemy run past. One bullet, not a lot of damage. Oops. I turn around and start shooting at some actual real enemies this time and suddenly die. Watching the kill cam, the team mate I accidentally shot knifed me! I am finding this sort of thing to be the general attitude of Battlefield players, it is really lame, immature, and not a lot of fun. I've had experiences with immaturity in COD, but it never has any bearing on gameplay, and remedying the situation is never more complicated than clicking the "Mute Player" button.

I blame George Lopez for never being funny to start with...

Greenie, I am pretty sure Dav was saying that he thinks there should have been more than one Bond film with George Lazenby in it, hence the blaming him for only doing one.

^ This is exactly why tv and movie people should not read books. It'd keep a lot of crap off bookstore selves too.

Not into cougars, it is just that every case of dating a woman younger than me, even by a few months, have always turned out to be a little bit immature; all my best relationships have been with women a few months to a year older than me.

Oh, and the packing heat girl turned out to be pretty crazy. Not a mentally incompetent to carry a firearm kind of crazy, just emotional irrationality type crazy. I'd still trust her with a firearm.

Though the over-hyped paranoia of this place is getting to me big time. The crime rate here is miniscule, even in the worse parts of town, the whole "Gotta have my gun with me at all times in case my own shadow tries to attack and rape me" makes me want to beat my head into the wall. I am actually really starting to miss the "Guns are evil and ought to all be destroyed!!" crowd, not because I agree with them, but because they are preferable to this scared shitless by every unfamiliar face thing.

TV's Frink said:

 

bkev said:

She's gotten the shaft the most out of any superhero the past few years.

*cough*

 

I bet Robin gets more shaft.

doubleofive said:

So am I Riker then? Because that's awesome.

Your analogy did kind of make me sad... Times change, though we make it sound like we splitscreened all the time. I guess its the quality, not the quantity. ;-)

"I almost wrote splitscreening each other for hours at a time once every four months." But decided it didn't flow as well, and sounded slightly less dirty.

Sure I guess in my analogy you are Riker, because you are using Troy's account to watch movies now... which makes me Data, because I am dead and all... and Xhonzi is Picard because he refuses to move on and still wants to splitscreen with us (aka explore the galaxy together), unwilling to grow up and move on.

I went out with a girl who is pretty much a clone of Seanwookie, personality wise. It was weird. She was really pretty, but every time she opened her mouth I'd think, that sounds like something Sean would say OR huh, I had this discussion before, but with Sean. It was crazy. I am extremely fond of Sean, but I wouldn't want to date him. 

From now on, I am sticking to my tradition of only dating women older than me.