C3PX

Ziz said:

Yeah, but it just feels like too extreme a change going straight from Hayden to JEJ.  Modulating HC's voice when he turns would have been a better stepping stone from one voice to the other.

I dunno man, quite frankly that would have been as jarring to me as Palpatine's face. Sith eyes are lame enough, do we really need Sith to go around getting deeper voices just because they turn to the darkside? Just makes zero sense. Like dark father said, it is a voice modulator, I don't see anything extreme about that. Hell, we have voice modulators in real life, and they do make extreme changes to your voice. You'd also have a few continuity problems on hand with this idea. For one, when exactly did Anakin turn back to the lightside? Shouldn't his voice have changed back to a lightside voice at that point? Instead, his voice changes back the instant his mask comes off. 

Personally, I cannot think of a better stepping stone for Vader voice change than when he puts on a his voice modulated mask. And beside, Hayden with JEJ's voice? I shudder to think how retarded that would look, and it seems ashame for such a great voice to be wasted in dubbing over such a lousy actor. At least at the end of ROTS the guys face was covered up.

doubleofive said:

Honestly, the only way I can watch the prequels now is by mentally putting all of Anakin's lines through the JEJ voice modulator in my head.  Everything from "I'm a person and my name is Anakin" to "You turned her against me!" sounds much better, or at least more funny, in Vader's voice.  Try it!

"Yipee!"

Wow, I have been doing this for nearly five minutes now and it does not get old. Has me cracking up, especially lines like, "Are you and angel?" "I heard the freighter pilots talk about them. They come from the moons of Diago... I think." Hahahaha!

Octorox said:

Sluggo said:

That is so wizard.

 

Anyone see any non-Star Wars Jake Lloyd movies lately?

lol nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Lloyd

He doesn't look anything like Hayden lol

Wow, he looks almost exactly the same, only with longer hair and and one of those pubis beards.

Damn, he has played in a lot of movies.

skyjedi2005 said:

Quote "omitting the OOT makes no sense."

 

It makes perfect sense in stroking his inflated ego.  Business sense not so much.

And Lucas is a guy who had business sense in spades when he was a young man, which means he has the liberty to take it or leave it presently with no ill outcome.

I guess it is really not until we get to the prequels that he really becomes complex. Every villain has a back story (though I suppose that isn't always true), the fact that he sired the hero and was a one point good and becomes good again before allowing his son to pull his life support (which is literally all we really know about his complexities from the OT) doesn't make him all that complex. I guess it is when we get to the PT and we actually meet him that his complexity really starts to show, as now we have three movies worth of backstory for him.

Yeah, me too. Even Vader is a pretty cliche villain. The thing about those two characters is they overtook the cliche and became the definitive.

Very likely when you think of a cliche villain, you will think of a kock off of Palpatine or Vader.

Luke turning to the darkside, Emperor clones, and Boba survives are three things that have always kept me from Dark Empire. Though I found the cover with Luke dressed in black with a cape incredibly intriguing. Before I heard more about the series, I thought it was suppose to be Anakin/Darth Vader before he got all charred and needed a mask and breather.

I know, and then you get all these complaints about how evil Hollywood is marketing this stuff to kids. I have heard so many times people say things along the lines of "This is a comic book movie! Why are they trying to sell this filth to our children!" Wake the hell up and step into a damn comic book shop sometime! It isn't all Archie and Peanuts anymore. The movies rated R, if the parents are somehow too daft to notice that, or don't care if their kids see R rated films, then they have no right to complain. Same thing for video games, the rating is on the box for a reason, and it ain't there just to indicate the difficulty level, as I have discovered some parents think.

Fang Zei said:

No, that's not what I meant and no, I don't think for even a second that the petition is what got us the GOUT. Sorry for not being clearer.

Oh, your post was very clear, I think I wasn't clear myself. Sorry about that.

I was not necessarily thinking you meant that the petition is what got us the GOUT, but you were saying we should make a petition of exactly what we want in the blu-ray release. I meant to say I don't think it will do any good, even if we would have specified "newly remastered" and "anamorphic widescreen" I still think we would have got what we got. There was a lot of talk around here after the GOUT was released of how we screwed up the petition by not being more specific. I am sure it would not have made any difference.

If there is going to be a blu-ray release, I cannot imagine us having any influence on it. We are the scum of the SW fan community after all.

Do you really think the petition is what got us the GOUT? I don't. Obviously it said there was a decent sized demand for it, but I don't for a second believe that is what got it for us.

Remember back when LFL said they are waiting for Episode III to come out before releasing the others on DVD, so they could all be released in order? Then, if I remember correctly, I read that the vast amount of bootlegging encouraged them to release it sooner. 

I think we got the GOUT because it is what we already had, it is what we were still bootlegging, so they gave it to us legally and they gave it to us in the exact same quality we already had it in. Same print and everything. Only professionally done, and stamped onto a duel layer disc.You've got to remember, these boards are open to the public, anybody in the world with access to the internet can read everyword we have ever wrote on here. I have a hard time convincing myself that there are not any LFL people who check us out every now and then. I think they knew about our policies, that if it is released officially the jig is up and we are to get the real thing. Take a look around, the GOUT put a total and complete end to OT preservation.

I am C3PX, and I approve this message.

(Axia, I think you are on to something with this post endorsment thing, it is a lot of fun. ;)

skyjedi2005 said:

Not everybody is redeemed the Emperor was beyond redemption, so was Exar Kun, darth Maul and Darth Bane. and a character who dies at the end of the legacy series.Callista never came back from the darkside.

Ulic Qel Droma was redeemed, so was revan.  Luke Skywalker came back from the darkside just Like Anakin Skywalker did.  Cam Solusar came back, Zekk, Mara Jade.  Kyle katarn. Kyp durron. Bastila Shan.  Lots more probably.

Thanks for the list, that is more than I would have come up with. Just seems like Yoda and Obi-Wan might have tried a bit harder to bring Anakin back to the light side, rather than send his own son to kill him some twenty years later. Of course, after seeing the prequels... uh... yeah, if I had a friend like Hayden's Anakin that turned to the darkside, I would have zero interest in putting out any effort to bring him back to the lightside.

My original draw to the character of Kyle Katarn was that he was an average kind of guy. He wasn't Luke Skywalker, or some ancient mystical occultist warrior. He was just a guy with a gun, trying to get by under a tyrannical regime. And finally, circumstanced draw him into the Rebellion.

I was irritated when the story turned into, here is you father's lightsaber, he was murdered by an evil Sith Lord...you must learn the ways of the Jedi, and follow in your father's footsteps... Suddenly he is a cheap ripoff of Luke (or almost a cocktail of Han and Luke). Even the showdown at the end of the game, much like the showdown in Return of the Jedi, has Kyle tempted to turn to the darkside. Please! 

Even having him turn to the darkside later on was pretty lame. It is kind of silly how in the movies we get the impression that once you turn to the darkside you don't come back, and yet in the EU just about everyone turns to the darkside sooner or later and have absolutely no trouble coming back with a little help from their friends. Gets a little old.

Again, I don't think Xizor was ever really shown as the super badass rival to Vader you think he was, Vaderisnohayden. Far from being "overly done up as 'cool'" I think they might have gone a little far in making him over the top pathetic.

We see the story from Xizor's and Vader's perspectives. From Xizor's view, he is totally winning and making chumps of both the Emperor and Vader. When seeing it from Vader's view, he is getting very jealous, because the Emperor seems to be falling for Xizor's tricks. When we finally learn Palps view, we get the impression he knew what was going on the whole time, and just let it play out, for Vader's benefit or for his own amusement. Sith do have some twisted tastes. So throughout the whole book, Xizor's biggest achievement is making Vader pissed off at him, which honestly isn't hard to do, just ask any of those poor officers who died of a good choking. And making Vader pissed off at you is basically the same thing as putting a pistol in your mouth and pulling the trigger.

Really what we have here is a rottweiler on a leash being held back by his master, while an annoying little pomeranian continually barks and yaps at him. Dumb pomeranian taunts him and runs around him barking and doing flips while the rottweiler's master holds the leash and says "easy boy, stay, stay". Finally, to the pomeranian's horror, the master lets go of the leash and watches with amusement as the rottweiler eats the pomeranian.

Far from being a cool badass villain, I see Xizor as a fool who gets way in over his head. We have these big larger than life characters, Princess Leia, Darth Vader etc, and stupid little Xizor decides he can jump in and play with them. He thinks he can seduce Leia, and he gets a knee to the stones. He thinks he can mess with Luke Skywalker and his palace gets blown up. He thinks he can best Vader, and he gets squished like a bug. It is only ever from Xizor's delusional perspective in the book that we see him as a cool badass villain to rival the best. Everytime something goes bad in his plans, Xizor brushes it off, no big deal, I'll just build another palace etc. His world was crashing around him due to his messing with the most powerful people in the galaxy, and the delusional idiot still thinks he is winning.

Personally, I think The Old Enterprise Design would not work on the big screen, it is too out of date.

Yeah, I am a huge Dark Forces fan. I wasn't really happy when they turned Kyle into a Jedi, I really liked the mercenary for hire thing, but what is done is done, and Jedi Outcast is one of the best Star Wars games I have ever played.

The Stormtrooper conversations really added to the game, almost made me feel bad to kill them at times. And the force powers were a lot of fun to use, you never feel immortal like you do in The Force Unleashed (which was annoying, turn the difficulty up to high, you can die well enough, but you will hack at a Jawa with your lightsaver for ten minutes just to kill him, turn the difficulty down a bit, and the Jawa dies in a couple of swings, but you are damn near invincible. Either way, not a lot of fun). 

Vaderisnothayden said:

That's the OT. The OT has a right to be revisionist.

Why is that exactly? In fact, I find both those things I mentioned as very irritating retcons. If George could retcon the snot out of his movies back then, why isn't he allowed to do it now?

First off, I am sorry to hear someone force fed you SOTE, that must have sucked. Personally, I read it of my own free will, which I am sure contributed to my enjoyment of it.

I didn't. I read it because I felt I HAD to because it was being pushed as THE story of what went on between the films.

At the end of the day, it is still just EU. Not sure why you felt obligated to do so. All the other EU books are being pushed as THE story after the trilogy, before the sags, and all the spaces inbetween. Do you read each one of those? The Force Unleashed is THE story between the trilogies, doesn't mean you HAVE to read the tripe.

Being a fan of something is suppose to be because you enjoy it. I cannot imagine turning what is suppose to be pleasure into a chore, and somehow feeling obligated to throw my money at something I don't want, and to waste my precious time reading something I don't like.

Sometimes you come off sounding like you are a victim of Lucas and his evil greedy plots, I don't mean to sound like a Lucas apologist by any means, but you must realize, you are only a victim of yourself. For example, I didn't like Indiana Jones ATKOFTS. When it was released, I was pretty sure I wouldn't like it, so I never spent the money to buy a ticket, I ended up watching it much later for free, and I still wish I hadn't seen it at all. It is awful, George really screwed it up, but he didn't force me to see it, even though he was pushing it as THE story that came after The Last Crusade. Had I went and spent the money to see it, even though I had heard enough about it to already know it was the shit it was, I could be the only one to blame for it.

TheBoost said:

I agree that a lot of the "ROTJ" set-up felt awkwardly inserted, and a bit unnneccessary. I'd never laid awake at night wondering how Leia got a thermal detonator.

I never lied awake at night wondering where she got the detonator either, but I certainly don't see it as some unforgivable sin that SOTE explains it as some people do. I really never saw the explainations as all that awkward either. Leader of the Rebel Alliance on Imperial homeworld, a desguise wasn't exactly a bad idea. To me it makes it more interesting that she hung onto it and used it to infiltrate J the H's palace. Sure, it wasn't necessary, but I really never saw it as doing any harm either. Unlike "Anakin built Threepio" kind of explainations, which do do a lot of harm.

Good comparison dark father. Very interesting.

Aww, poor bunny.

First off, I am sorry to hear someone force fed you SOTE, that must have sucked. Personally, I read it of my own free will, which I am sure contributed to my enjoyment of it.

As for not having time for silly revisionist nonsense in Star Wars, I suppose this includes the extremely revisionist Empire Strikes Back, where the main villain and the father of the hero were merged into one character, or the even more revisionist Return of the Jedi where "the other" Yoda talked about turns out to be Luke's former love interest, who also happens to be his sister. Do you even realize what revisionist bullcrap two thirds of the OT are?

DarkFather said:

Well, go make an EU criticism thread then. No use in hijacking TheBoost's thread that is about the positive.

Exactly. It is a pretty crappy thing to go turning everyone elses threads into negativity threads. This is something I am plenty guilty of myself. Some people here just want to talk about SW without having to constantly hear how much we all hate 99.9% of all things Star Wars.

Just because places like TFN have become gushers central, doesn't mean we have to go a million miles in the opposite direction and become basher central.

And while a little "so called" negativity is not a bad thing, it has a problem of becoming habitual. You ever notice that some people just complain about everything? They almost seem to get into a habit of it and can never stop. It is sad. I wouldn't want to be the guy that looks at everything and see sunshine and flowers, but I also don't want to be the guy that looks at everything and finds mold and maggots.

Thrawn was by far the better villain. He was well thought out, and really worked. In many ways, was a perfect replacment villain for Darth Vader and the Emperor.

I am actually one of those guys who really liked Shadows of the Empire. It is a flawed book, but I liked it. And I even really liked Dash Rendar, I thought he was much more than just a Han Solo stand in that most people see him as. To me, he really worked as a character and added something to the story.

Xizor on the other hand, I thought it was a cool idea going with the whole intergalactic crime organization. The character in general, really worked. The thing with Palpatine trusting him so much, really made the Emperor out to be a total dunce. The idea that Xizor was in the throne room listening to Palps. "Son of Skywalker" conversation really bugs me, because that just wouldn't happen. Also Xizors obession with trying to humilate Vader in the eyes of the Emperor and lose his son at the same time, was a bit weak.

As for whoever said Xizor was a waste of a character whose only ambition was to be the Emperor's lacky, that was not it at all, you must have really missed a lot when reading the book. Xizor did want to be the Emperor's right hand man, but only as a necessary step in making his way up the ladder. Xizor was already head of the galaxies largest crim syndicate, he was a very powerful person, he considered himself third most powerful in the galaxy, right after Vader. His goal was to be first. He didn't care for the Emperor, he wanted to use him. Though, as shown by the way Vader totally owns him, he had no freakin idea what kind of powers he was messing with.

At the end of the book, the Emperor hits that he let Xizor in to his confidence in order to test Vader, and that he never really trusted Xizor. Fine, that sound okay, but still, having him in the throne room listening to extemely important conversations??? Weakest bit of the book to me.

As for, "Part of the book is Leia fighting against some kind of pheremones Xizor lets off that makes her want to make out with him."

LOL, that is the funniest way I could imagine that being explined. It was part of the book, as in, a few pages and a minor part of the story. Leia has a meeting with Xizor, and he releases pheremones to make her attracted to him, she realizes something weird is going on, and fights it off and resists, and he gets pissed off and locks her in her quarters. Also, I am pretty sure it wasn't making her "want to make out with him" for much as something else. Still don't see why people make such a big deal about that part of the story, it wasn't that unbelievable, essentially she was being drugged.

I also don't see what is so wrong with the story making everything from ROTJ "come together in a nice little bow". Leia had to get the detonator and the bounty hunter armor from someplace, what is so wrong about the story explaining where she got it from. Chewie has his hair cut differently in SOTE in order to resemble a famous Wookie bounty hunter, which explains his different hair style in ROTJ. Sure, this stuff doesn't need to be explained, but I don't see a problem with it doing so. To me, the least crimes of the prequels are far worse than the harshed crimes of SOTE. I'd take SOTE over any of the prequels any day of the week.

Yoda Is Your Father said:

If the bloke playing Kirk done a Shatner impression everybody would laugh their arses off and you lot would moan.

Exactly. Hell, I even laugh my ass off when Shatner does it, someone else doing it would be just too much. It is suppose to be a serious movie after all, not a comedy. Simon Pegg as Scotty and the guy from Harold & Kumar as Sulu already has this thing dangerously close to being extremely comedic (wonder why they didn't get Adam Sandler or Jim Carrey to play Bones?), you really want to see Pine running around making a lousy attempt at imitating Shatner?

I want a chocloate teapot! Anyone have one of those?

DarkFather said:

And where would you get the impression you'd stepped on my toes? What?

With the internet it is always hard to tell how someone takes something. By your, "second worst tactic" and "don't act like it's not" comments, I thought you were getting a little defensive or upset. Looks like I was wrong though, of which I am glad.

Yeah, they went out of their way to make him look more aged in AOTC, then abandoned that idea with ROTS.

Even the prequels, all written by George over the course of ten years or so are all out of whack. It is no wonder there are so many problems with the OT and PT meshing.

DarkFather said:

Unlike a lot of prequel excuses made by PT fans, THAT doesn't require a freakish amount of stretching or distorting. It's plain, simple, and believable. Don't act like it's not.

Whoa, didn't mean to step on your toes.

I'm not acting like it isn't plain simple and believable, too me it isn't. Too me it really seems like as dumb of an explanation as "Grevious' lungs must be someplace else..." or any other explaining away of PT gaffs. Nothing personal, it just is what it is.

I have known some people who lived some very stressful lives, and sure, they look a little worse for wear but they don't look like seventy year olds when they are only fifty. You can seriously imagine someone going from looking like Ewan McGregor to Sir Alec Guinness in the course of 19 years just because of some stress? It is great if you can, but to me that is a pretty massive stretch. Again, nothing personal.

Besides, Old Ben Kenobi who lives out by the Dune Sea that we meet in the first SW film has always struck me as kind of a laid back guy, not a hand wringer. If he was so worried about Luke's safety, I am sure he would have sent him to Yoda sooner (like as in, before he was "too old" to begin his training), or taken the time to have the kid's last named changed to Lars, or left him with someone other than known relatives, just in case Darth hears that his step brother is raising a child with the last name Skywalker and begins to ponder if there might be some kind of relation. No, everything we see of the old man in the OT shows us a guy who has things under control, not a worry wart who suffers from extremely excelled aging. As for the twin suns, nobody else on the planet seems to have a hard time with them.