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#163165
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163165/action/topic#163165
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Alright, last time a took a few minutes to skim through my episode one project on womble to see how drastic of cuts I could get away with. I cut the whole Gungan city thing. It plays a little rough I suppose, but with a subtitled Jar Jar it could be made very smooth. Even if you subtitle Gungan city, you still end up with a cgi sequence of a bunch of goofy looking camel people. What I did was end the meeting Jar Jar scene with "comon, lets get out of here before more droids arrive" "More? More did you say?" and Jar Jar runs after them, the next cut I put in of them was watching them entering Theed from a distance using the very end of the waterfall sequence. This could run really smooth with titling Jar Jar to say he can take them to the city, if we can find a way to make Qui-Gon say "The City? Can you take us there" rather than "A city? Can you take us there?" Then the whole rest of the scene could work great until jar jar says 'comon this way'.
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#163109
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/163109/action/topic#163109
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Sorry about this, but at the risk of continuing the flogging of this poor dead horse (and I promise just one more woopah of the whip and I'm done).

THX's last post got me thinking, and I think he is right it is what many people would chose to do it that situation. Lets ook at it this way (and I know I am not changing anybodies mind so I don't know why I am posting this) Anakin was a good friend to Obi-Wan, imagine that he pretty much raised the kid through his teen years, from nine and up. He mentions that Anakin was like his brother. Anakin refers to Obi-Wan as being like a father to him. Now Anakin turns to the dark side. Obi-Wan probably even lies to himself saying his good old buddy Ani is dead. Now the son of the man who was one of the people that meant the most to Obi-Wan in his life is sitting before him asking what his father was like. Now he has a choice, tell Luke his father was a good man and a hero like the galaxy remembers (probably it is throught that Anakin was kill in the purge along with all the other Jedi). Or tell hims his dad is the second most evil man in the universe. His lying doesn't only have to be in order to protect Luke. He could be protecting the honor of his old friend. For him to be remembered as having been killed by the sith sounds better than hims having become a traitor. Anakin was a good man, and the power of the dark side seduced him, to Obi the good man that was his friend was lost forever. Destroyed by the dark side. Probably if Obi-Wan thought there was any chance of Vader being turn back to the light side he would do everything he could to do that. In Return of the Jedi we see that Vader wont he aknowlege that he is Anakin Skywalker. "That name means nothing to me now." Even the Emperor refers to Anakin in the third person when speaking directly to Vader. Perhaps it is even common practice among the Jedi to consider somebody dead when they have turned to the dark side. It could be rather than old Ben lying through his teeth, that he couldn't bear the though of letting Luke know the truth. He probably also never imagined Vader would try to convert Luke and turn him rather than just try to kill him. Okay, the horse his dead, the whip is broken, and the horse is buried as far as I am concerned, I will not clutter the board with any more of my comments.
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#162952
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162952/action/topic#162952
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On my own edit of Ep.1 I found cutting out all the Nemoidian scenes from the beginning sequence makes the whole thing more exciting and does away with a lot of bad Nemoidian dialogue. Of course if they are going to be subtitled I suppose it doesn't matter. But I really like the way the whole thing plays out when all we see is the two jedi landing, then being told by the droid to wait, then the droid returing to serve them tea (or whatever) then the ship blowing up, cut to the droids outside the room as the door opens, two sabers turn on, the two jedi cutting down droids, Qui-Gon cutting the door, the destroyer droids coming, jedi run, the door explodes from the impact of the droids blast, then cut to the back view of the two Nemoidians watching the jedi run from the destroyers. I think it adds a bit more mystery to them having the first time we see them being a brief over the shoulder glance shot. I thought it worked beautifully, just need to repair the music a little from the cutting and its great. Of course, the next scene we see they open their mouths and ruin it, but with redubbing it could add a lot to the start of the film.
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#162786
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162786/action/topic#162786
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With the Dooku going off to get revenge on the sith for the death of Qui-Gon at the end of The Phantom Menace idea somebody threw out there, if that really seems like an important plot point you could throw it into the Ep.2 crawl that Qui-Gon's former master left the Jedi Order to seek revenge and has just recently resurfaced leading the seperatist movement. But I suppose if the point of that at the end of Ep.1 would just have been to make it a film that could stand on its own, then my suggestion really doesn't add up to much.

I see a bunch of ideas running through here that I can't imagine anybody here having the skill or technology to do, but what ever becomes of this I am sure it will be interesting if it is ever completed. However, with things like Maul becoming Grevious, it is going a bit more than above and beyond in filling plot holes in the saga. I don't think it is going to become the definative version (although I would loved to be surprised) of the saga we will all wish to show our kids for the sake of them not thinking their dad (or mom) is a looser for liking such crap. Whatever comes out of it, I'll be looking forward to seeing it.
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#162687
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/162687/action/topic#162687
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After having read the first page I got very excited about this project. I myself have been working to do the same thing. I really am not too big of a fan of the prequels, but I still enjoy them and the thing that bothered me was that they are impossible to watch in order. So I decided to start working on my own edit to smooth out the rough parts. So far I have only finished a rough cut of Menace. Concerning Obi-Wan telling Luke the truth. Having watch the OT countless times, I never really saw Obi-Wan's lying to Luke as harming Obi-Wan's honor or anything of that sort. I don't think a lot of people did. What has changed? Just because now we have seen Obi-Wan leave Anakin alone on the shore of a lake of lava to burn to death? I am sure in Episode III Obi would not have just left him there if he thought he would be rescued. I would have liked it better if in Ep 3 Obi thought he was dead, not left him for dead. Then be surprised when he realized Darth was his old padawan. But at any rate, let us look at it from this point of view. We have said Luke's NOOOOO! in Empire was a bit of over acting, and that now the surprise is dead so the scene has no reason to live. Well, just imagine you believe your father was a great man, but is now dead. You don't know much at all about your dad or mom, you aunt and uncle always seem a bit sensitive to that subject and tell you as little as they can. One day you meet an old man who it turns out fought in a war with your father. You realize either this man is lying to you or your uncle and aunt have lied to you your entire life. Then he says that your father was his good friend but he turned evil. And he is not in fact dead but he is still alive and is Saddam Hussein. Don't you think you would be doing more than merely going, "whoa" inside you head as Luke appears to be doing and continue reconnecting your droid's arm. Comon, these things are contrary to everything you have ever known your entire life, maybe you had some idea that your uncle wasn't quite telling you everything. It is clear that Obi-Wan was trying to protect Luke. Also you can see from Episode III that the whole thing was prettty rough on Obi-Wan emotionaly. He has had plenty of years living alone in the dessert to reflect on the tragic turning of the man who was like a brother to him. You don't even need the line of Yoda telling Obi not to let the children know of their true parentage. It just isn't needed. Probably Obi-Wan has consoled himself through the years saying that Anakin died the moment he turned to the dark side. It isn't that Obi is merely lying through his teeth. Also at this point Obi-Wan believes that Luke is still unkown to Vader.
Anyway, for my personal edit of the saga, I intended to have a silent flash back of Obi-Wan yelling "Anakin, you were my brother!" and Anakin yelling out "I hate you!" when Obi-Wan is telling luke about his father being murdered by Vader. I think seeing that the old man is remembering this that was probably the most painful moment in his life when the man he considered his brother was lying on the ground burning to death and using all his force to shout the words I hate you to him. I think this shows the pain old Ben still feels inside and makes his lying more justifiable.
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#153113
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Dishonorable Luke
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/153113/action/topic#153113
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Leia trying to recue Han and failing before Luke came was very important, just think if Leia's rescue had come after Luke was already there, then you can almost be sure the plan would have worked out fine. Leia would not have been captured, and the whole sarlacc sequence would have never happened. Luke's hand would not have been shot and he wouldn't have have worn that cool black glove on his hand for the rest of the movie. And not to mention million and millions of fans would have missed out on Carrie in the gold bikini.
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#147619
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NOOOOOOOO!!! Electrodes, please!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/147619/action/topic#147619
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Back on the Owen Lars and Obi-Wan thing. When I was young the the idea of prequels were just a dream, and all that existed were three great movies. I, like probably every other fan of the OT from before 1999, used to think of my own back story and even play out things in it with my old action figures. I had always thought Owen was Obi-Wan's brother. I figured with names like Owen Lars, Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa, Han Solo, Biggs Darklighter, Wedge Antillies, ect., which sound like pretty normal names as far has having a first name and a last name, that the name Obi-Wan Kenobi was a bit of an odd name. Ben Kenobi seemed much more normal. So I decided that Obi-Wan must be some sort of name the Jedi gave him. Just how Darth Vader being a sith had his named changed from Anakin, and I thought that most likely he was born as Ben Lars, or perhaps Beru Kenobi could have married Owen Lars.
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#144920
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The Skywalker Legacy (working title) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/144920/action/topic#144920
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I had been thinking about doing a project of this sort sometime. It sounds like a great idea and I for one will be looking forward to seeing how it comes out. My idea was not to just focus on Luke, but to make a condensed OT and to tell the PT through flash backs. This way only the story of Luke's father would be told. I am not a very big fan of the PT as a whole, but it did have some moments.
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#142331
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Episode I Digital Yoda Images!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/142331/action/topic#142331
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Bad CG is instantly dated, rips you out of the movie (LOOK, BAD CG!), and is just as poor as '50's sci-fi movies where you can see the wires.


Yeah, I can't wait to see how my grandchildren will someday react when they see some of the movies from today, especially Star Wars. It will probably be something simular to how I used to laugh at the old wires on ships. Even look at movies like the Spawn, if you watch that movie today the CG looks horrible! The '97 SEs were starting to get that way already, I am sure that is why Lucas decided to up date them. So what then? Update your films every couple of years before there CG expires? Look at the old SW trilogy, to me even today it looks fantastic. If you look you might find a few evidences of outdated techniques, but really I think they still look great. Because a model is a real objects, and it will always be a real object. But CG is completley intangible, and as new CG comes out, old CG is going to look awful.
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#142328
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OT Released AGAIN!!! (DVDAnswers.com article on possible new box set...)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/142328/action/topic#142328
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Here we go again. Now that I think of it this span of time since that last VHS release was made (about the time of episode I VHS release I think) and before the 2004 DVD was pretty peaceful. That was probably the longest period of time without a new re-release in the history of SW rereleases. So now it has begun again. New OT boxset before Christmas, probably some time in the next six months we will six the whole saga released together, probably all with exculsive cover art so we will all be tempted to rebuy all six of them. Hopefully sooner or later if nothing else one of the OT sets will be fixed. Until they release a real original trilogy on DVD, I am not going to buy any of them. I remember how proud I was of my old THX faces set on VHS, simple little set, but they were the movies I loved. I don't suppose there will ever be an offical DVD set as beautiful as those.
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#141018
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Sometimes do you feel like you should give up on the cause?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/141018/action/topic#141018
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No, never give up the cause! DJ is right, we pretty much have what we want. I too don't ever expect GL to release the originals, the guy could even release American Graffiti without digitalizing the sunset. But just go to the list of DVD versions floating around, they may all be "bootllegs" but they are pretty decent. There are tons a 90s kids floating around who saw TPM as their first SW movie, or who saw SW for the first time when it came back to the big screen in 1997. They see it compleatly different from those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s. Let them have their trilogy, just so long as we have these forums and the reassurance there are others still out there that feel the same way we do about the originals. Never give up the cause, if we do then the bearded flannel man wins.
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#141034
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Episode I Digital Yoda Images!!!!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/141034/action/topic#141034
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If Lucas were to put a CGI Yoda in Phantom, I for one wouldn't mind, and in fact I have thought how nice it would be if he did. It would just make to PT match better. I don't see it as such a big deal if he changes it. I didn't care for Episode I very much, and one reason for it was how bad Yoda looked. At any rate the old version (which still isn't even the theatrical version) has already been put on DVD, that is more than we can say for the original trilogy. If I had those on DVD, I could care less what "director's cuts" or "Special Editions" Lucas shoves out. He has always been into over releasing the SW films, I don't expect him to stop now. But who care, the current DVD version of Ep.1 will still be floating around out there. I myself have gotten to the point where I nearly feel like counting the original ones as a seperate movies all together. To me there is this great trilogy of classic sci-fi movies, then there is this other set of six silly-not-so-greatly-written-poorly-acted sci-fi films that for some reason I kind of like because they resemble a bit those great old sci-fi classics I used to love when I was a kid. This might sound kind of silly, but it is my way of letting my self still enjoy the PT to a small extent (Well, my edited PT anyway, I still had a make a few modifications before I could actualy start to appreciate them a bit.
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#140168
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I think we REALLY dodge a bullet with Episode III. (read inside..)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/140168/action/topic#140168
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I for one would have loved the Han scene. It would be great to learn the roots of our favorite smuggler. It could even be a great spin off film. Like the made for TV Ewok movies, they could make a Tarzan rip-off about young Han Solo being raised by wookies. Oh it would be wonderful. Also why did we never seen Lando in the prequels? It would have been great to find out that he is Mace Windu's son or nephew or something! Or they could have made it that Han, Luke and Leia turn out to be triplets! That would be awesome! It would be like Anakin was the father of every main character in the OT. Luke, Leia, 3PO, and Han. Or they could have been quadruplits, and throw Chewie in there also. I suppose that might be a bit of a plot hole since he is suppose to be 200 years old. Or they could have made Chewie Anakin's father! Maybe Shmi was just to ashamed to mention she was hopelessly attracted to a walking carpet. That would be neat. So many more great tie-ins George could have made, it makes me feel sorry he didn't fill the movies to their full potential.
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#140031
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Jar Jar is dead canonically!
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/140031/action/topic#140031
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Death of Jar Jar? That reminds me of this animation I made a few years back. I had it visioned in my mind for a few weeks and could hardly wait for the DVD to come out so I could make it.

Jar Jar and Yoda

I didn't spend a lot of time on it, but most people still find it pretty funny, especially if they thought the same thing I though during this scene in episode II.

(On my computer at least, it will only play the sound and not video if I just run it from the page, if I click "save as" it plays fine with video)
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#140030
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Has anyone now second guessed the prequels
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/140030/action/topic#140030
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Originally posted by: Adamwankenobi
I have to trust the old bearded one in his decisions, becuase I highly doubt he would spend and risk hundreds of millions of dollars, around ten years of his time and devotion, and countless interviews and queries, if he didn't know what he was doing.


Uh... right... knew what he was doing, just like with the Holiday Special, the Ewok movies, allowing himself to be associated with Howard the Duck, Jar- Jar Binks... Georgie always knows what he is doing, why can't we just trust the guy? Don't think George made the Holiday Special because he thought it would be a fitting sequel to Star Wars. He made it because Star Wars was big, and it was a way to cach in on a few extra bucks. Ewoks? Why did he make these? Because they were a fantastic tie in to the great Star Wars Saga and an important part of his ultimate vision? It was a great way to cash in more on SW movies. Many people liked the Ewoks, make a made for TV movie about them, people will eat it up. It went over well, make another. Time goes on and Star Wars stops pulling in as much as it used to, maybe the fans still buy every re-release of the trilogy but it isn't enough. Time to make the prequels!

And next, the Star Wars TV show? Star Wars is too big for the little screen, but people are going to eat it up all over again. The quality of it doesn't matter, it will probably just be a bunch of no name actor dancing around with lightsabers in front of a green screen, but it is Star Wars! So you'll be sure to watch. I'll be sure to watch. Then it comes out on DVD season by season. $$$$$$$ Yes, the great bearded one most certianly knows what he is doing, I don't think any one of doubts that.