C3PX

Vaderisnothayden said:

So what. Hardly particularly extreme. Nothing next to some of the outfits that turn up in the prequels.

I am just saying, I'd personally consider wearing a cape to fall into the category of, "silly robes or overdone getup". 

My point in this whole thing is, even in our own world, a single planet, is so full of diverse cultures, many of which have some pretty bizarre traditional clothing. So bizarre, that many people from other cultures would be rather quick to point out how stupid, pompous, and absurd these other cultures are. To me it is not beyond the realm of reason that a universe full of many inhabitable planets filled with numerous alien races, would all dress in ski jackets, dull robes/rags, and vests. I like the idea of the galaxy being more diverse before the the Empire took over, and being more drab, bland and culture less after. I think this is a pretty cool concept. Maybe ol' George had his people go a little overboard at times, but for the most part, I think it worked rather well. Whether well executed or not, I really respect what George was trying to do there; at least he tried, which is something that cannot be said for most other aspects of the PT. I have far more respect for a concept that was tried and failed, than the total lack of trying that is evident throughout those three awful films.

Of course, all this is just my opinion. You don't have to agree with me, and I don't have to agree with you. We have both overstated our point to quite a degree.

Nobody around here really seems to care too much about this show, but since this is an SW forum, I thought it worth mentioning that episode thirteen of this season is called, "Some Like it Hoth" lol.

You know, I cannot imagine watching Lost and not being a SW nerd, you'd miss soooo many references.

Vaderisnothayden said:

In ESB we met a showy city administrator (Lando) , but he didn't feel the need to dress up in silly robes or way overdone getup

He was wearing a bloody cape for cripes sakes!!!

skyjedi2005 said:

Imperial Stormtoopers being Conscripts of Conquered worlds or out of the Imperial Space Academy is entirely EU derived.  The Imperial Space Academy part coming from the Radio Drama When Biggs mentioned he was going to Jump ship and join the rebellion before being drafted into the imperial starfleet.

 

Nope. Unless the original novel and the Biggs scene are EU, then you are correct. Biggs and Luke are talking and one of them (I forget which) mentions that it is not a good idea for Luke to wait around to be conscripted by the Empire.

Just checked it out, Biggs warns Luke that there is a good chance the Empire will come along and take his uncles farm, leaving Owen a mere tendant. And Luke tells Biggs that he will be joining the academy soon, and that he wont let the Empire draft him into the Imperial Starfleet. The OT, at least the first SW film, gives off plenty of hints that the Empire is oppressive and meddles in peoples lives, taking their property and good to advance the Empire, and taking their children to fight their battles.

The PT waters all this down, and suddenly stormtroopers are lousy clones that nobody cares about. Lame way to make the series seemingly less violent.

TheBoost said:

Vaderisnothayden said:

They weren't dressed in rags but they weren't dressed to look like idiots. Why not do it that way?

 

 Who was dressed to look like an idiot? I admit Padme's Queen get-ups were a bit over the top (although IMHO not outrageously so), but seriously, who looked like an idiot? Even Jar Jar just had a vest and leather pants.

Vaderisnohayden just really hates the PT to such an extent, you'd be hard pressed to get him to agree that there is even the tiniest bit of good in them. Don't worry about it.

As for my comment on the ships in the OT not reflecting what we saw in the PT. I know we only saw the Empire and the Rebels in the OT for the most part, but here we have the Rebels who are using old junky ships, whatever they can get their hands on, and we see nothing from the PT whatsoever. Fine, let's just assume they didn't happen upon any Old Republic vessels or ships from Naboo. Now let's consider how we see lots of ships in the PT that are not and none of them are ships from the OT. Not a one (save for the Tantive IV, but why not see more ships like this? Why is this the first Corellian vessel we see in the whole PT? Kind of odd huh? Are we to assume that none of the junky old ships the Rebels get there hands on were around during the days of the PT? They must all be fairly new hunks of junk made within the last 20 years. Just retarded if you ask me.

That is pretty cool. If I was sitting in that thing I am sure I'd feel an uncontrollable need to stand up every few minutes though.

Grooming, I dunno, whatever you want to call it. He has a very different look in ROTJ. In SW and ESB he has a more rounded straight all around thing going on, where in ROTJ he has those bangs and looks a little more groomed (feel bad using the word groomed, make it sound like he is an animal. Wookies are people to ya know).

Johnny Ringo said:

Is it just me or are they going out of there way to sabotage loved and beloved characters? it seems as though they are literally "salting the earth" here. If they intend this to be the start of a new franchise they are doing a poor job of it.

By George! I think he's got it!

Hunter6 said:

So, JJ's old Spock is going to fly his "Jellyfish" by a super-nova to make a blackhole inside the core .

That sounds really, really dirty. Damn near pornographic.

LOL, The Passion has a recut? Can't even imagine.

Well, maybe the problem is you don't live in a boring enough area. At the time I was living in a very small town where there was The Wal-Mart, and then a bunch of tiny little shops. At the time I lived there, I did most of my grocery shopping at a dollar store, because that was the only real alternative to Wal-Mart within 40 miles.

That little town had a regular full priced expensive movie theater with a whopping three screens. Then they had an old dilapidated theater with a single screen, which got movies a few weeks to a month before they came out on DVD and only charged $2 (and on Tuesdays they had a two tickets for the price of one thing). Even thought the theater was falling apart, their projector and sound equipment was pretty decent.

It was kind of funny, because they used old reel projectors so during each of the LOTR moves they had an intermission to change reels. They even had an "Intermission" card that popped up on the big screen. It was one of those old theaters that had the opera house sort of design to them, fancy pillars, statues of naked under aged angels carved everywhere, weird devil head thingy above the center of the screen, etcs. All that and the intermission thing really gave it a unique experience.

I remember seeing ads for tickets for the big three movie in a row marathon thing at the time ROTK came out. Those took place in select theaters, which always seemed to be in the bigger cities.

Vaderisnothayden said:

Making things look different from modern Earth didn't require dressing people in such a way as to make them look stupid or pompous. The whole they-should-look-different-so-we'll-make-them-look-stupid thing is just an example of the sort pretention that marks the PT.

Kind of funny to hear you say this, it reminds me exactly of what I hear people say about other cultures and the "stupid" ways they dress and behave (I do a lot of cross-cultural work, as well as exit and entry counseling for American workers in foreign countries, so I deal a lot with bitter Americans who have grown to hate a certain culture that they find themselves unable to understand or fit in with). Props to George on that one, sound like he did a good job.

You know, there are a lot of reasons to hate the PT, but I think somepeople would have hated them no matter what. Even if they would have been good in every other way, would you still pick them apart and hate them because of the stupid, pompous ways the characters were dressed?

I dunno, I still think the costumes of the PT were one of the few things that were not bullshit. You have this galaxy full of tons of planets, tons of different cultures, naturally, they'd all have their own styles of clothing. I think that did a good job of reminding us that we were not seeing a story from our own galaxy as Star Trek or other sci-fi shows, but from an entirely different, unconnected galaxy.

I think it also showed us a nice contrast, a contrast that was largely absent in the PT, to show us a before and after the rise of the Empire. Before, under the Republic, planets had their own cultures, militaries, etc. Under the Empire everyone is forced to come in line, culturally unique things like ceremonial dress or traditional clothings that we see in the PT fade, militaries like Naboo's army are banned, and (according to the OT, but contradicted by the PT, the Empire begings conscripting young men from around the galaxy to be Stormtroopers and pilots in the Imperial Navy.

In the OT we see a used, worn, and oppressed galaxy. I think the OT does a good job of showing that, everyone we come across on the limited number of civilized planets we see all wear very practical clothing, and fairly similar clothing, regardless of their species. I like that change.

I wish George could have better managed this with the ships. Instead, everyone of the rediculous models we see in the PT are completely missing in the OT. It makes sense for clothes to go away and disappear, but ships, like cars, don't just wind up spending the rest of their existence in thrift store like clothes do. You still see really old cars driving around, some restored, some chugging around as dilapidated piles of crap, some resting in scrap yards. A galaxy full of ships doesn't just vanish. This screwup was a much larger piece of bullshit glistening in the PT than the wardrobe was.

I smoke tobacco from a pipe from time to time, I remember getting buzzed when I first started, but I never do anymore. Bilbo, being a seasoned pipe smoker I am sure would not.

What is worse, many people took the smoke rings and Gandalf's magically created smoke ship as being psychedelically induced, since it wasn't explained in the movie as it was in the book.

As for the LOTR marathon. I'd never have had the patience to do anything like that. It is hard enough for me to sit through a single viewing of the theatrical version, let alone all three extendeds.

If I was seeing them for the first time that way, I'd be pretty awesome.

There was $2 theater in the town I lived in at the time Return of the King was in theaters. In the weeks before they were able to get a copy of The Return of the King, they ran The Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers. So just for fun, a couple of my buddies and I went and saw all three of them there over the course of three weekends.

I don't think that is suppose to be her hair, it is a head dress.

You talking the actual hair styles? Or are you talking about the royal head dress things? George was just trying to show that it was another universe that has different styles and custom. They never bother me. Remember, plenty of people still make a big fuss about Leia's hair in the first Star Wars film. Honestly, the hair styles are the least of poor TPM's problems.

TMBTM said:

skyjedi2005 said:

 Because Never Say Never again was utter shit.

Well, at least it's fun and you don't fall asleep after the opening sequence like 80% of the "real" Bond movies!

Never Say Never Again, fun??? You must have seen a different version of the film than I have, or you are using a definition of "fun" of which I was previously unaware of. I had nightmares for weeks after seeing that travesty, kept dreaming Sean Connery's face was falling.

FanFiltration said:

C3PX said:

Okay, so this was bothering me so much (and I obviously have nothing better to do at the moment) that I started at page one and searched certain key words from the two deja vu posts. Here is what I came up with:

Out of the fourteen pages in this thread, sky mentions "my bad" and the Bumblebee peeing thing from the Transformers movie in about half of them (literally! Don't believe me, check it out for yourself. I am impressed at that man's dedication!)

Also, around page nine or so, we did have a discussion about the comic book, and sky had this to say about it,

skyjedi2005 said:

I hope "get your ass up here, big boy"  is only indicative of comic book cheese and is not the level of dialogue associated with the film.  After the cringe worthy dialogue in Transformers consider me worried.

 

So, I am not going crazy! There are no eddies in the space time continum, and no temporal anomaly that might prevent life from ever evolving on earth. Phew!

 

Just seems I happen to agree with some other posters on the non-classic sounding script, and a few other techniques being employed in the making of this new film.   We all have a right to engage in this discussion, and so what if the same positive or negative aspects of the movie are repeated over and over. I’ve never seen problems with that in any other discussion on the forum.

I certainly don't have a problem with it. I just found it funny, because I seriously thought I was back a few pages when I started reading the thread, I knew I had read someone comment on that exact line of the comic book before, and I knew I had read most of the things in Sky's post before, so I really thought I was reading old posts until I looked at the date.

Ha! And I highly doubt you will have to eat crow after the film comes out. It is going to be the balls.

My Bossk and my Snagletooth figures used to partner up and make all kind of mischief. Fortunately, Bespin Luke (my very favorite figure, followed closely by Anakin Skywalker in Shaw's likeness), along with Bespin Han and Bespin Leia (what can I say, the Bespin line was pure quality), always saved the day and threw the fanged duo into into a shoe box with slits cut in it to represent prison bars. Damn, I want to be a kid again! Life is too complicated now. :(

As for Lobot, he is pretty cool. None of my Star Wars figure collecting friends had him when I was a kid, and for some reason we couldn't find him in stores. We would always look at the back of the packaging and say, "I really want that guy!" pointing at Lobot. But none of us ever got him. Sometime in my teens I happened into a pawn shop and saw him for $10 bucks and snatched him up, finally, I had found our holy grail of Star Wars figures. I couldn't wait to tell the two SW figure collecting friends from childhooh who I still hung out with that I had finally managed to get a Lobot! I was sure they were going to be so jealous of me, I had fricken Lobot! The very next time I saw them burst out the news with great excitement, I had purchased an authentic Lobot! A Lobot guys! A Lobot! And they just shrugged it off and we went back to talking about video games and boobs.

sean wookie said:Would I be lynched for like the Dylan version of All Around The Watchtower better than Hendrixes?

Couple of years late in the reply, but hell no! Personally, I think Jimi's version of All Along the Watchtower is way over rated, and it makes my head hurt when I listen to it. Dylan's version on the other hand is by far one of the greatest bits of song every recorded. And John Wesley Harding is a pretty sweet album.

Long live YIYFLBC!!!! Whooohooo!

One of the most useful threads ever! Not sure how we managed over a whole year without it.

I am extremely tired, but I don't feel like sleeping since I don't have to work tomorrow, so as a result I am pondering many of the mysteries of the world.

And one that's really bugging me at the moment is this: I was just thinking about The Lord of the Rings movies, and there is a rather interesting scene where Gandalf and Bilbo are smoking pipeweed, and they both look a bit spacey, overly happy and mellow, etc. Yet, in the books Tolkien makes it perfectly clear that pipeweed is tobacco. In fact, I think it is exclusively referred to as tobacco in The Hobbit.

So why does Hollywood muck around with stuff like this? Surely by tabacco he means something other than tobacco. wink, wink. Does Hollywood have to ruin everything? (Sorry, been reading some Alan Moore interviews, and besides being a total freaky ass hippy that all freaky ass hippies ought to aspire to be like, this guy fucking hates Hollywood, and I think it has temporarily rubbed off on me.

No, Tolkien was a long time pipe tobacco smoker, and I have no doubt he was always refering to tabacco.

Okay, so this was bothering me so much (and I obviously have nothing better to do at the moment) that I started at page one and searched certain key words from the two deja vu posts. Here is what I came up with:

Out of the fourteen pages in this thread, sky mentions "my bad" and the Bumblebee peeing thing from the Transformers movie in about half of them (literally! Don't believe me, check it out for yourself. I am impressed at that man's dedication!)

Also, around page nine or so, we did have a discussion about the comic book, and sky had this to say about it,

skyjedi2005 said:

I hope "get your ass up here, big boy"  is only indicative of comic book cheese and is not the level of dialogue associated with the film.  After the cringe worthy dialogue in Transformers consider me worried.

So, I am not going crazy! There are no eddies in the space time continum, and no temporal anomaly that might prevent life from ever evolving on earth. Phew!

You remember it too? Tell me you remember it too Johnny!

Perhaps we are dealing with some kind of temporal anomaly? An alternative reality where FF bought the comic book weeks ago? I am half expected to find myself in France as an eighty year old man pruning my grape vineyard.

Perhaps it is just because you are so used to seeing the crystal clear, clean and bubbly, overly bright, wet & soapy 2004 versions?

Maybe sky already mentioned the "my bad" and Bumblebee peeing thing and that through me off. Or maybe someone else already commented on the comic book. So weird.

Even the comment about the female Romulan and the "get your ass over here" line, so sure I heard it before. Man, I think I am going nuts!

Anchorhead said:

Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Tales from Mos Eisly, and Tales of the Jedi sound like books I might need to look into.  If they steer clear of the revised miniature Star Wars universe where everyone is related to each other, they would be something I’m definitely interested in.

 

Tales of the Jedi (it is a comic book series, not any actual novels as far as I know) have a radio drama adaption for the first few parts of the series, as do a few selected stories from Tales from Mos Eisely (which is a novel). If you live in a city with a halfway decent public library, they might have them, and if not, should be able to aquire them for you through interlibrary loan.

As for the Star Wars: Tales of... books, a lot of it really is crap, but for the most part it is unrelated to the main story and characters of the films. Each one graps a handful of background characters and makes them the main character of their own random sci-fi story taking place in the SW universe. If you are into sci-fi books in general, you might enjoy these. The nice thing about them is they are collections of short stories, so if you find you are not enjoying one story at all, you can skip over to the next one without missing anything.

Hunter6 said:

C3PX said:

Personally, I think The Old Enterprise Design would not work on the big screen, it is too out of date.

Oh come on, The I-prise's outsides in the new movie is just TMP retrofitted Enterprise, all mess up.

TMP retrofitted Enterprise is a 1978 Design and has not being used since 1992.

that least the TOS ship has been used in the past 17 years on DS9 (1996), ENT (2005) and ST:R (2006-2008. 

Also The NX-01 (2001-2005) feautre Designs from the TOS ship and The Enterprise-E (1996-2001) had more of a TOS ship Design then the D had. 

The only things the TOS needed is Better rendering, Aztec hull details, more real looking windows and maybe a little bigger pylons.

I was making a joke based on your comment, "I am sick of hearing People saying that The Old Enterprise Design would not work on the big screen or that it is too out of date."

I have zero interest in this new piece-o-crap licensed Trek rip off, and would eb the last to defend it. I love the old Enterprise design and will never grow tired of looking at in, no matter how big the screen is. That ship has always worked. This new Apple i-Prise looks like pants.

Okay, I could have sworn those last two posts from FF and sky were posted a long time ago. I know I have read those comments before, but yet they were just posted today. I am experiencing some weird form of forum deja vu. Or... perhaps I have become unstuck in time? Poo-tee-weet?