Finally bought it today. Only played it for a couple of hours so far, but yeah, it is pretty freaken awesome! Can't wait until one of my 360 owning friends finally gets a copy of this so we can do the co-op. I am sure that will be pretty cool, and will add some lasting value to the game.
I think T3 did get the R rating just because it had two or three fucks in it, as opposed to the one nonsexual "fuck" allowed by the MPAA for PG-13 ratings. So yeah, might as well be rated PG-13. I do hope the new one gets an R rating, and not just because of slightly too many fucks.
skyjedi2005 said:Summer Glau has no depth to her acting but neither does Loken.
Huh, I have not seen Glau in anything other than Firefly/Serenity and TSCC. And in both of them she plays a very abnormal character that doesn't show much emotion, so even if she is able to act with great depth, we wouldn't know it. I think she does a great job at the two roles she has had, hopefully for her next role she'll try out something different. I guess she has had a few guest appearances on a few other things, but I haven't seen them.
My feelings on the new ending are mixed. I have to say, it is that one change that I don't mind so much. While I didn't particularly dislike Yub Nub, I was never really all that fond of it. I actually like the new end music, I think it fits just fine. Kind of a, wow now we can sit back and take a breath and remember those we lost in this war, sort of thing. I, however, don't care much for the montage of other planets. I think the focus should remain at the location of the battle, not lightyears on other planets.
The 2004 ending with Naboo and the Weesa free is inexcusable though.
How can any actress really be a poor version of another actress? Just because they look alike? How does that even work? If someone told me that I was a poor version of someone else just because that person looked like me, I would kindly smash their face with my fist. Very asinine reasoning. Also, what is your intention by making such a statement? That Summer Glau should not be an actress because another actress looks somewhat like her? Or that the casting crew on TSCC should have cast the other actress in her spot, but were too cheap to do so? If this is the case, I had never even heard of that other actress before, but I have known of Summer since Firefly. Do you have anything to back up that Summer is the "cheaper" actress? Perhaps this other chick is the cheapy version of Summer Glau? I sure as hell bet she can't do "creepy" the way Summer can.
I hated T3, so any erasing of it is welcome to me. Every TV show has some crap episodes, it just comes with the territory. Also it not fitting in with Terminator Salvation doesn't bother me either. Chances are Terminator Salvation will be a pile of garbage too. Of course, their deep desire to get Terminator Salvation to mesh with T3 is exactly why they had Nick Stahl play John, right? LOL. Obviously the Terminator Salvation guys realized that was a painful miscasting, and were all too happy to "erase" Stahl as Connor by casting Bale. Personally, I hope Terminator Salvation is really good, and that its DVD/BD will find a place in my movie collection right next to T2.
To me, the TV show is entertaining, I enjoy watching it. So to me it is not a waste of time. They are making money off of it, so it is not a waste of time to them either. Much like Johnny said, if you are not enjoying it and feel it wastes your time to watch it, simply don't.
The obvious reasons for not having it connect to the upcoming movie are that the end of the TV show is still up in the air, who knows how many seasons it will get (hopefully not many, I'd say three looks like a sound number for this thing). And that the movie is to appeal to a larger audience, i.e. people who do not follow the TV show, but will go see the movie.
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StormtroopersAreBetter said:So would you consider Jedi the worst of the OT?
Absolutely, but "worst" is a very relative term. For example, pit the my best played basketball game ever with that of Micheal Jordan's absolute worst played game ever, and he is still going to be worlds better than me.
When you are talking about the worst of the best, you still have something pretty good. ROTJ is by no means a bad film IMHO, but to me it is not quite as good as the other two. It also has the weight of wrapping up the trilogy on its shoulders, which is quite a task, so I am very willing to give its flaws a pass.
Like Gaffer said, the Jabba stuff was some poorly done story telling. But as a teenager, I always thought Carrie Fisher in a metal bikini for a logically sound plan was a fantastic trade off. The Jabba puppet was downright amazing, one of the coolest things in the trilogy in my opinion, especially if you have seen the behind the scenes stuff to understand how he works. I can understand the glowing green wifflebat thing. I was very young when that film first came out, and I know my parents would not have let me (nor should they have) see it if there were limbs flying in that scene. It was cool seeing Luke dashing around and beating people with his saber, but it is a family movie. I'd rather have the nonviolent scene that we do have, rather than have the whole scene omitted because they figured it couldn't be done reasonably and nonviolently enough to remain appropriate for its target audiences.
ChainsawAsh said:1 - Probably Baltar, or the angel version of Six manifested in physical form like in "Six Degrees of Separation" and left it. I'd say Baltar, though.
2 - I always took that as Boomer herself, at least her Cylon half. For example, she could have been sleepwalking or something, and she subconsciously put it there.
3 - Clearly Baltar's Cylon detector was ALL about finding actual Cylons. My understanding is that after Boomer's test, he modified it so everyone got "green" tests.
4 - It didn't! :-)
Yeah, I had always assumed Boomer wrote it herself, and was unaware of it, just as she was unaware of all the other stuff she did. For 3, I thought it was pretty clear that Baltar made the Cylon detector give everyone a clean bill after Boomer's test.
As for number 4, it is all a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact.
AxiaEuxine said:
Btw how do you do the reply with quote from two different posters in the same post?
What I do is open a new window, and click reply with quote and, then copy and paste it back into my reply window. Might be an easier way, but this is pretty simple.
StormtroopersAreBetter said:1. Mon Mothma's speech about the Death Star II and the shield generator is pretty unconvincing. She looks like she's reading from giant cue cards off-screen and I don't think someone can be so emotionless when saying "Many Bothans died to bring us this information." :/ But that's just me.
2. I get a bit annoyed with the emperor's voice when he says: "Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive." (And I can't believe he underestimated the Rebels by that much. First, they managed to evade everyone on the first DS by taking back Leia and then they blew it up!)
3. How could Luke withstand all that electricity coarsing through his body, courtesy of Palpy? I don't get very annoyed with this one... maybe I can come up with some lame fanboy excuse?... Maybe Darth Vader used the Force to protect Luke from most of the emperor's Force lightning? :p
That's it... and no Ewoks in sight. I've always been one of those people who defend the Ewok vs. the Empire battle scene.
Now... do any of you have little annoyances with ROTJ or maybe any other OT film?
Huh, I do recongnize some of the many flaws in the film, but I don't make a huge deal about them. The Ewoks were a lame idea, and that is really my biggest issue. Not so much the idea of the Ewoks, but the fact that they are using rocks to kill trained soldiers wearing armor. A rock to the head from a sling could easily kill someone, no doubt about it, but through a hard helmet? That is most of what bugs me. I have nothing personally against the Ewoks themselves. In fact, I think they're some damn fine aliens.
Oddly, none of the things you mentioned ever bothered me in the slithest, or even crossed my mind as flaws. In reverse order, the Emperor's lightning isn't suppose to be high voltage, bolts of eletricity from the sky type lightning. It is a Force power, and doesn't necessarily do the same kind of damage as electricity, and if it does, it doesn't necessarily have to be a really high voltage, perhaps the Force user can even increase and decrease the intensity of it. Obviously the Emperor wanted to watch Luke squirm for a while, rather than kill him quickly.
Hubris. The obvious intent of the Emporer's lines about the deflector field was to show his hubris. It is just that much more fun to watch a movie villain meet his fate when he has show himself to be overconfident in his sure fire plan. Also, the idea was that the Emperor allowed fake information to be leaked to the Bothan spies, so the Rebels planned this thing thinking that the Deathstar was a sitting duck, when it was actually fully operational. In the first film, they stole the plans, discovered the one tiny weak spot, and went after it, if it hadn't been for Luke's force ability to help him make that shot, they would have failed. All of that was out of the Empire's hands, but in ROTJ, the whole thing was planned by the Empire as a trap to lure the Rebels in and finish them off.
As for Mon Mothma, they were only Bothans. Have you seen pictures of Bothans? They look kind of like a cross between a llama and a dog. Hard to feel sympathy for such ugly creatures... okay, so that probably wasn't the reason. I think it is just the way the actress played the part. Not to mention this is a war they are fighting, and it has been going on for sometime. We are talking about a handful of Bothans having died, that sucks, but there are plenty of other people who died in this war too. Any soldier knows that the time to mourn is after the battle, not during. You can't be overly emotional in such situations and still expect good results. You could toss the same "fault" on the first Star Wars movie with Luke not showing more distress at having just seen one of his lifelong friends (Biggs) blown to bits. Those Bothans died to bring the plans to the Rebels, and she was carrying out her duty to them. Their deaths would have been in vain if the Rebel's mission failed. And to me her voice does so kind of mournful.
EDIT: Davenes totally outdrew me, and managed to communicate the exact same thing in a fraction of the word count.
It has been years since I have seen any of the early episodes, I don't even remember the note.
He is very correct about Vader's meeting with Obi-Wan in Star Wars not meshing with the way Obi-Wan left himn to die. He should have responded more along the lines of, "Finally we meet again, you son of a bitch! Now you are going to pay for amputating my remaining three limbs and leaving me to slowly burn to death, which thankfully took long enough that the newly self appointed Emperor was able to travel all the way from Corescant to Mustafar and save me before I completely burnt to death or even died of shock. Now, prepare to die... D'aaah'AM, man! How the hell did you age so quickly?"
That has always been incredibly dumb that the Yoda/Palps fight/dance/comedy sketch, whatever it was suppose to be was going on at the same time as the Ani/Obi duel, and yet Palps still makes it there in time to save Anakin, and to walk in a slow hip Emperor-like stride taking his sweet time to walk over to him.
People who defend this stuff so strongly are in need of some self evaluation. If you like them and accept them for their flaws, that is one thing, but there are some out there who literally think ROTS is one of the finest films to hit cinemas in their lifetime.
LOl, this video is probably really lame, but at the moment I am mixing youtube and alchohol, a truely deadly combination, and it is cracking me up. In fact, after repeated viewings, I think it may just be one of the most profound things to ever hit the internet. Works better than the real thing IMHO.
I can't distinguish a difference between that video and the scenes from the actual film. Almost identical!
Lol, Obi-Wan:"Bye... Love you..."
"misplaced them" i.e. their resident Star Wars fanatic thought, 'OMG! No way I am missing this opportunity!" and smuggled them out to his car after they were done with them.
That set was the beginning of the end. Or, at least it was when I got the first hint that ol' George was serious about the "One Last Time" bit.
I bought that set, though I got the VCD version of it. Same packaging and it has the Lars Episode II feature on, just CDs instead of VHS tapes. When I ordered it I had read that VCDs are better quality than VHS but not as good as DVD, turns out they look a lot worse than any VHS tape I have ever watched. I bought the set because I heard they would not be on DVD until after Episode III was released, and Episode II wasn't even out yet at the time.
When I bought them, I was annoyed there was not a VCD of the non-SE versions of the film. I didn't even know the half of it! Heh heh. I actually ripped the VCDs to my hard drive, and de-SEed them the best I could with TMPGEnc and reburnt them to CD-rs. They looked like crap, but they were only temporary, until the DVDs came out, surely those would contain the originals...
Nine years later:
Gaaaaah!!!!
WARNING: Spoilage throughout below post!
I didn't feel it pissed all over itself. The show has had some pretty weak moments in the past, my feeling are that this last run of episodes, including the finally have been some of the best since season one. I thought a few things were cop outs, and poorly done (dancing robots, eeeh! Now every time I hear All Along the Watchtower that will pop up in my head. I appreciate what they were trying to do there, but it was pulled off poorly and wasn't even really necessary. I think the camera zooming in a news headline about robot soldier or advanced robotics then fading to the credits would have communicated the same thing without coming off as lame.
Whether you are an atheist or not, I don't see any reason why the ending should be so annoying. Even if you feel there is absolutely not the slightest possibility of a God, you might want to remind yourself, its Sci-Fi. There is no reason the existence of God in a science fiction universe should upset you any more than a mystical energy field known as The Force that controls everything should bother you. I am glad Moore had the courage to make such an ending, even in a society filled with plenty of people who may be outright enraged with the idea. I am sure he knew the ending would not please everybody, and would upset or irritate others, yet he still did it.
As for Starbuck, I don't think she was actually an angel, or never there to start with, but I think the idea was that she actually was temporary brought back to life to complete her purpose. She obviously had no idea what the hell she was, or how she had come back. Even when she tells Lee she is leaving, she doesn't seem to know to where or how, just that she has a feeling her purpose is done and that it is time for her to go.
I found the idea that the Colonial's Earth was not the same as our earth to be brilliant. Perfect in fact. It makes perfect sense that if they happened to stumble across a perfectly inhabitable planet that suits there needs and represents exactly what they were looking for when they set out in the very beginning, that they might name it after the object of their search. <- That has got to be the most awkward and poorly constructed sentence I have ever wrote. Forgive me, I am so fricken tired right now I can barely even see my computer screen.
The biggest thing that bugged me was Adama' ending. So is he just going to sit by Laura's grave until he starves to death? They really made it overly dramatic. He still has his son and other people around that care about him, and he is just going to toss the rest of his life away because the woman he loves dies?
Also, I might have missed this, was Starbuck being the "harbinger of doom!" bit ever explained? They made an awful bit deal about it over the last season, I was expecting something to come out of it, either I somehow missed it, didn't understand it when I saw it, or they totally just dropped it and ignored it.
Finally, in regards to Axia's comment about who would want to give up all their modern comforts and go back to a primitive life. I would in a second! I often feel I was born in the wrong century, and it bothers me to see how much of a stranglehold technology has on our lives. I try to live a technologically limited life, but even I find myself going through withdrawals when I go a few weeks without internet, or frustrated when I am just a few days without power. I hate that feeling of being so dependent on something so fickle.
Look how long mankind lived without these things? We poor bastards today would go extinct in just a few years without it all. I hate the film The Village, it was pure crap IMHO, but I really liked the concept behind that movie. I'd love to be part of something like that, long before that movie came out I'd talk about how great it would be to start a small nation on a remote island disconnected from the rest of civilization. But yeah, I am actually with you on this one, when they went on about people "surprisingly" not having a problem with Lee's idea of "starting with a clean slate" I thought, Yeah right!
Perhaps a combination of literally having been brought to the brink of extinction by their own technological creations, and having spent such a long time cooped up on their increasingly dilapidated starships made them more eager to accept such a proposal.
Reminded me of Peter Jackson's Return of the King adaption with the "endless" ending. Wasn't half bad.
Jay said:What a huge weeks-long nerdathon that will be when they arrive.
Dude, all four seasons in a week! Most impressive. Staring at any type of glowing box for that long would have me gouging my eyes out. Would be awesome to rewatch the whole series in HD though, without having to wait insane amounts of time for the next ep.
It has only been six years? Feels a lot longer than that for some reason. Funny to think of all that has happened to Star Wars since then...
Oh, these are really cool! Now do one to show the aging of Padme throughout the saga.
R2-918 said:When Obi-Wan got older what happened to that mole on his forehead that he had when he was younger?
His doctor on Tantooine thought it might potentially be cancerous, and suggested he have it removed.
Yes, even I can come up with lousy fanboy explaination to reasonably explain the mundane changes that don't need explaining. I feel like a rather sucessful nerd this evening. I am proud of myself. Give me a cookie.
Ah, that one is a classic. I can't even imagine... and I bet some of these types are residents right here on these boards.
Seriously, what is up with that Stormtrooper and the robot voice? If your going to go through the effort or spen the money to have a kick ass Stormtrooper costume like that, surely you could put a bit of effort into practicing a halfway decent Stormtrooper voice.
" Apparently there'll be an even longer cut on DVD later of the whole 3-hour epsidode (parts 1 and 2), and of one or two other Season 4.5 episodes."
Yup, not surprised. It wouldn't be BSG without an excessive quantity of DVD releases. First there will be an extended finale cut DVD, like the extended Razor DVD, then it will come included on the 4.5 DVD release, like the extended Razor. For BSG fans, patience definitely pays off.
zombie84 said:the only difference is that it stopped having good movies to justify the fun commercial whoring.
Ah, good clean fun commercial whoring. I sure do miss the good ol' days.
Wow, can't believe it is almost over. It hasn't sunk in yet for me. I have been watching this every Saturday afternoon for the past nine weeks, hard to imagine it simply wont be here anymore after this week.
Vaderisnothayden said:I see a lot of making excuses here for something dumb and pretentious in films most of us dislike. I don't get it.
And your not gonna get it, so we might as well drop it. We've all said our piece.
Sojourn said:That's awesome, about the "Hoth" title; the creators of the show are big self-proclaimed SW fans, so it's neat that they're working it in like that (there have been a bunch of other SW references throughout the series -- one of my favorites was when Sawyer referred to Jin and Michael (during the building of the raft) as Han and Chewie).
At first I thought it was a typo in the listing I read and that someone accidentally put a h on the end of hot. Even if Hoth doesn't get an actually reference in the episode (I have a feeling it will, and that it will come from the mouth of Sawyer. Just a hunch I have.) but if not, we will at least very likely be getting some new info on the arctic station/outpost at the end of season two and the frozen donkey wheel.
It was pretty cool when they recreated the "No, no, NO. This one goes THERE, that one goes THERE." bit from ESB word for word with Jin and Michael building the raft.
This season has been great, show just gets better all the time. Feels weird to hear Jin speaking English now, he is like a whole new character.
Oh yeah, I was very much joking about the Alpert statue thing, and I actually didn't mean to suggest that it might be a statue of Alpert, but rather a product of his race of ancient four toed people ;)
Sluggo said:Nevermind. The Public Library rules.
I know it. They are nearly forgotten in this day and age, dethroned by the internets, but for those of us who still remember them, they are a great resource.
At the end of the day, TOS is what matters. This new movie is just a typical disposable Hollywood action flick. At least TOS is remaining unmarred. Even if you are not a fan of the remastered TOS, the beauty of it is both are available. The Trek community is lucky that this movie will be forgotten in short time. Sure it is not going to do anything to get us more real Trek in the future, but neither was nothing, which is what we had coming before this. Trek has been dead for a while now, all we are seeing is the final nail. It dies with a bit less dignity, but it didn't have much of that left over the past several years. I mean, how much dignity can a whore really die with?
She'll be missed, but there are a lot of great memories of her, and those memories are all being preserved in beautiful blu-ray HD presentation. A lot better than the treatment the die hard Star Wars fan's whore of preference is getting. Poor old girl needs to retire, but is getting used more than ever, by younger and younger clients, who treat the girl with increasing roughness, not something she needs at her age.
Sorry for the crudeness of this analogy. It feels very fitting to me, but I admit, it is rather crass.