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#250722
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MOVED THREAD
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Originally posted by: Arnie.d


Thank you for trying to explain, Coov. So it's not emotional of physical. Is it comparable to a very strong feeling somewhere inbetween? Because then I can probably understand a bit what it is like.


I have 2 more questions, I hope you don't mind.

Do you believe dinosaurs ever roamed this planet?

How old do you think the earth is?



As far as the dinosaur question, I hope not too many people believe that they didn't exist. I for one whole heartedly believe in their existence, but I believe they roamed the planet at the same time as man. Why is it so impossible for God to have made them. The idea that they would have killed off all people doesn't go over so well, since there are many other predators that are potentially hazardous to man. Also I believe there is the possibility that dinosaurs may have been responsible for the myth of "dragons." Also if we read in the last chapters of the book of Job, there are two beasts that are mentioned and described, neither of them sounds like any beast still living today. Also, if we can believe that God made the first people and animals full grown and sexually mature and fruit trees mature enough to bear fruit, why should it be so hard to believe he could make complex mountian, canyons and rock formations that would take millenia to form?

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#250404
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.: The XØ Project - Laserdisc on Steroids :. (SEE FIRST POST FOR UPDATES) (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250404/action/topic#250404
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Originally posted by: boris
Untrue. Monty Python and the Holy Grail has no delted scenes - every scene they shout for the movie they used in the movie (of course there'd be out-takes, though). It if was in the script, then it was intended to be in the movie, and some limitation forced them to remove it. It may have been special effects limitations, it may have been that the scene ruined the flow or pace of the movie... the movie may have been too long, or it may have been that the film had a big glaring scratch in it that couldn't be removed! Scripts, from what I hear, are about 120 pages long. That's less then 1/3rd the number of pages in a novel - and from what I've seen of scripts they contain much less words on each page than a novel does - and many of those words are wasted on describing lighting and costumes and such. I don't agree that they start out deliberately with this flexibility to remove stuff - that's just stupid. It happens later on because for whatever reason they can't use the scene in their movie.


Most of what you wrote in the above quote is utter rubbish, but that first statement unbelievably so! In the 2001 Special Edition DVD Release of Monty Python and the Holy Grail, you can read from the features on the back "A glorious extra 24 seconds absolutely free" this is a scene that was cut, and re instated for this Special Edition release. If every scene they filmed was used in the movie, then there is something very strange here, as this scene was filmed, and it did not originally appear in the movie. Which I think was good because the scene was crap and it takes away from the pacing of the film. It looks like other people didn't like it either because the 2006 version doesn't seem to have it (though I an not 100% sure about this). My DVD, the old non anamorphic one, was 89 minutes, the SE was 90 minutes and the 2006 rererelease appears to be back down to 89 minutes again. But either way, MP and the Holy Grail did have at least one scene that was cut.

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#250225
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250225/action/topic#250225
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Originally posted by: Go-Mer-Tonic
The way I roll along with this is blasters are just "clumsey and random". At first I thought there was a huge contradiction between Ben's "And these blast points too accurate for sand people.", and the way Han Luke Leia and co. just keep running all over the Death Star with nothing hitting them the whole time. Then I explained it with the idea that they were just letting them escape which was the case, but it never sat well with me that they never seem to get better in the rest of the saga. Now the way I see it is that blasters are just really hard to aim because the energy bolts themselves have a bit of randomness to them. And Ben's statement about the "blast points" were really reffering to the locations they chose to take out on the Sandcrawler. They knew exactly where to hit it, not that their aim was "so precise". Now I'm all good with all of it.


That may have very well been one of the most TFNish lines of reasoning I have ever read on these boards. There is no reason to over analyis such details in movies, just enjoy them for what they are (movies) and enjoy the story. Lazers in their very nature accurate. Why would they used lazer if they are impossible to aim with, instead of some soilid object? Also Han seems to be able to hit some pretty small objects in just one hit at times (cameras or auto guns or whatever they are before entering the detention block). Also if we were trying to convert Star Wars to reality, the imperial storm troopers would probably be much better shots than they are. The whole point is not to kill off the main characters, while still having them in what appears to be in an extremely dangerous situation, it is pretty typical in movies. Ever seen a Bond flick? Anybody who is shooting at James Bond suddenly becomes an extremely lousy shot. Sometimes it is just easier to look at things from a real world point of view than trying to take things so seriously. If they would have shown storm troopers being good shots then Luke, Leia, Han and/or Chewie would be dead.
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#250132
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Lucasfilm Exiting Movie Business?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250132/action/topic#250132
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When you think about it, it really is sad. For people who have seen THX and Graffiti, and even the first Star Wars (outside the context of the dead bloody corps of the beaten horse), there was a lot of potential in this guy. If he had stayed on that track we could have expected to see great things from him. Didn't he say something about going on to do his artsy, experimential films after ROTS was finally finished? I guess that is down the crapper again. Probably for the best.
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#250129
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MOVED THREAD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250129/action/topic#250129
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Zombie, you know the really interesting thing here, you are the one calling theists idiots. Almost every post you wrote in this thread has mentioned how wrong religion is and how ignorant it is to believe in a god, and at the same time you say religious people are the ones spreading hate. You have also spent a fair deal of words talking non sense about pink elephants and little men named Fred. Somebody here said it takes as much faith not to believe in a god as it does to believe in a god. We have faith in God, but you have faith in science. There are a lot of things science cannot explain, and there are many theories in science that change over time. Science is all study done by man. All those text books are written by people, they are based off study, observation, and research, and they are mostly quite accurate. But science is so full of theories. Everything about the existence of the earth and how it came into being, it is all just theory. You say there is no such thing as a god until it is proven otherwise, and since there is no way to prove there is a god then he doesn't exist. Just as the pink elephant in your basement doesn't exist until it is proven otherwise, which I think is a pretty lame analogy but I think you were trying to make a point that belief in a god is just as lame. If you keep bumping into some unseen object while in your basement doing laundry, perhaps there might be a reason to believe in Pinky (do you mind if I call your elephant Pinky?), but as it is it is just an assumption based on nothing. I think the existence of the earth is enough evidence to give the hint that there could possibly be an intelligent being who created the universe. Everything in the universe fits so perfectly together. It seems very unlikely for this to have come by mere chance. You see religion as a reason to hate and a reason to explain thing we don't understand. But even with science, what you would call truth and facts, get a room full of 50 scientists, even fifty prominent ones who have contributed to texts books and journals, and let's get them to agree on the origin of the universe.

You said,
"Ignorance to such basic factual knowledge is bad for the progress of society."

Close mindedness is also ignorance. My grandfather believed that scientist made up dinosaurs to prove the theory of evolution. That is ignorance. I agree a lot of religious people today (and in the past like my grandfather) stick their fingers in their ears and yell when you give them scientific fact that they feel threatens there faith. But the fact is there are a lot of very well educated theists who find no conflict between God and science. I have several friends who are scientists, and many of them are theists. They have no problem believing in science and God at the same time. It is not true that the two are incompatible. You will find that if you read the Bible you will be hard pressed to find scientific inaccuracies or historical inaccuracies. If your idea that belief in God is sheer ignorance, then no educated person would be a theist. We would have all the upper-class educated people being atheists, and all the trailer park, low class, uneducated people dumbly believing in God. This however, is not the case at all. I happen to think close mindedness is bad for the progress of society. Anyway, I am not really wishing to make a fight, it is just annoying how you openly insult people who believe in God. You believe what you will, I have plenty of atheist friends and I wouldn't hold it against you. But you really shouldn't belittle people just because they believe differently than you. It is good to see things from more than one point of view, and it can be a great insight to have friends with an extremely different world view than yourself. It helps you understand the world better. Also, don't worry, progress of society won't be impeded by religious people. It has not been and it won't be. Also I am willing to bet that religious people have made as many contributions to society over the history of the world as atheists have been. I would love to see an example of them holding back the progression of society today.
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#250025
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LOST
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/250025/action/topic#250025
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I started watching it on DVD with my wife a few months ago, I really didn't care much for it at all until a few episodes into season 2. I really liked the concept of the button. And how they would let you think one thing for so long, then flip everything upside down. Like the notebooks and the pneumatic tube system. I thought season 3 startes out pretty good with a great "what the heck" sort of monent. I think this season could turn out to be as interesting as the button, or it could cave in on itself.
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#249717
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249717/action/topic#249717
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Poor guy, all these years we thought he was a hero, one of the greatest film makers of all time. Now it turns out that he had intended to make six crapy movies all along, and that three of them (mostly due to the help of good directors) accidentaly turned out to be good. I am starting to understand the guy now. Suddenly the special editions make perfect sense. George, if you're reading this, I am giving you a big ol' pat on the back. You succeeded buddy! Congradulations!
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#249557
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249557/action/topic#249557
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He has claimed to have it all worked out since the beginning. He said that about Luke and Leia, that he had always intended them to be brother and sister. If that was true, what was up with the kiss. I didn't say I was the authority on what goes on in Lucas' head, I am just saying that Kurtz would have known more than you give him credit for, and Lucas have a bit of a record of contradicting himself. Also, why would he have released the GOUT against his own wishes? That is perhaps the dumbest statment I have heard in a long time. Who exactly put the gun to his head and told him he had to release the GOUT? Nobody. He did it because he wanted to release his stupid trilogy on DVD for the third time in three years. Anyway, this conversation is stupid. The gun under the table thing was something people could understand pretty well. It is quite typically the type of thing you would see in movies around that time, and in the movies Lucas was imitating. You're never going to get that, to you Lucas always invisioned Han as a retarded git who has managed to survive with a death mark through sheer Jar jarish dumb luck. I love revisionist history. Sometimes I forget why I never post in the General SW Discussion thread, but there is always somebody in here to remind me to steer clear.
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#249526
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249526/action/topic#249526
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"self defense" and "cold blood" don't equal the same thing. If he really had tried so hard to film Greedo shooting first, why does the novel leave it ambiguous? I guess it is really hard to edit things in books before they get published. That is why so many books have spelling and grammar error. I suppose Allen Dean Foster tried several times to get Greedo to shoot first, but he just couldn't get the ink to stick to the paper. Also while you say Gary Kurtz isnt an authority for what goes on inside Lucas' head, well honestly neither is Lucas. He is the same guy who claimed the OT doesn't exist anymore, then released them in crap quailty for his wallets sake. He also claimed to have the whole story worked out since the beginning, but just has a bit of an incest fetish and really liked the idea of the Skywalker twins making out. Also, he intended Obi-wan to be a filthy liar from the get-go. Kill the kids dad, become his mentor and then blame it all on the evil Sith Lord.

"but notice how many people claim having Greedo shoot first alters Han's character? It obviously wasn't clear to everyone."

I guess Lucas is a genius after all, this man actually anticipated that there would be hoards of moronic SW fan post 1997 that couldn't tell the difference between cold blooded killers and people defending themselves WHEN THEY HAVE A GUN POINTED AT THEIR HEAD. George decided to do something for the sake of these fans before it got out of hand and they started listing Han among Micheal Myers and Jason Vorhees (I have no idea how to spell that name). You know, I feel my respect for Lucas coming back. He really knew what he was doing the whole time.
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#249504
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Interesting tidbit about who shot first
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249504/action/topic#249504
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The funny thing is that prior to 1997, I never once, not once, heard anybody say anything to the extent of "Oh, it sure is a shame Lucas made Han Solo such a cold blooded killer, otherwise his character would have been pretty cool." It is such a bunch of crap. The scene worked great, looked great, it was probably one of the movies most memorable traits. It is stupid how society gets so sensitive about things. Back in the 80s Han's blaster under the table thing was so smooth, everyone loved it. Today, "oh my, what violence. He wasn't even provoked." So now we have a Star Wars saga where Han Solo is a big softy who hesitates to shoot until having been shot at first, and Darth Vader is a mass murderer of children, never actually having killed a real Jedi before until Obi-Wan.

Also, just a hint of advice to everybody. If ever you find yourself in a simular situation to Han's, if you value your life more than you value the life of the guy holding the gun on you, then by all means don't hesitate to pull the trigger. If you wait for him to do it first, then it is already over. And no matter what anybody says, you are not a cold blooded killer, you were just acting in self defense, the gun in his hand proves that.
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#249395
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MOVED THREAD
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249395/action/topic#249395
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One problem with Christianity today (and since it began) is that so many people take the things they like about it and ignore the things that they don't like. I am not saying all Christians do this, but I think this is where Sean is coming from saying how hurtful and hateful Christians are towards homosexuals. Now it is no secret the Bible calls homosexuality un-natural and an abomination. However, the central message of the whole New Testament can be summed up in one word: "Love". The whole of the New Testament is all about loving one another, love your enemies, it doesn't exclude anybody from this. The whole turn the other cheek, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, all of it is about loving your neighbor.

Now lets take a look at how the world today sees Christians. Not a pretty picture. We are all seen as bigots (though after reading some of zombie's posts, I don't think the atheists are ones to be using the word "bigot" for somebody else), and self rightous. This is unfortunate. Zombie seemed the think that every religion that ever existed was merely for self gain of those developing it. Christianity at its very base is not a selfish religion, anything but. Unfortunately selfish people have done selfish things in the name of Christ. Look at Jesus, and look at the apostle Paul, what great things did Christianity bring to them? Jesus was crucified, and Paul probably lived the rest of his days out in prison. These are the two men who would have had the most to gain from this religion had they had that intention in mind.

As Sean mentioned about how hateful Christians are towards gay people, the Bible never says to hate them, it does condemn them as sexually immoral, right along with protitutes and adulters. Why should Christians be accepting of their friend who is screwing some other guys wife and then condemn the homosexual to his face, telling him that God hate him because he is gay. This isn't what Christianity is suppose to be about. The Bible also condemns judgment of others, so where does this leave the guy who is going around telling gay people they are going to burn in hell? In fact, I bet I can find more verses condeming judging others than I could find condeming homosexuality. It may be hard for some people to accept, but God loves everyone, this includes homosexuals.
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#249220
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Rebel Assault II and, Jedi Knight Dark Forces II cutscenes
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/249220/action/topic#249220
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I loved the first Dark Forces and I could still play it today and find it very enjoyable, but Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight, while it was cool when it first came out, it sure didn't age well. Those blocky 3D models just look terrible. The acting bothered me a lot too, it was just too awful, I never beat the game all the way through. I liked how Jedi Knight II started off with a few levels without any force powers at all, I never liked the jedi part much, I really like the mercenary for hire bits. It is cool wondering around some streets in the underworld of a big city in the star wars universe, hunting down thugs.
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#248986
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YIYF's Long Bridge Club
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248986/action/topic#248986
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
I never opened this thread before today as I thought it had something to do with a card game my grandparents played.

Yeah, me too. I had never had any desire to look in here before, I even absent mindedly wondered why it was always at the top of the thread list too, thinking how odd it was so many people here had interest in a stupid card game.


I just read the above post after I posted mine. That is sad to hear.

Originally posted by: ricarleiteMy prayers go to the families and to the 155 who perished


And mine too.
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#248962
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Weird Al's "Don't Download this Song" Video
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248962/action/topic#248962
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I am not really trying to defend them, I certianly dislike complete control of a city by a single store. Especially smaller towns. You will hear about them moving in and putting all other stores out of business, then rasing their prices. I lived in one such small town for a period of about eight months and it sucked. The town pretty much consisted of Wal-mart, Hastings, and a Staples (well, of the type of store I would go to). Everybody bought groceries from Wal-mart, rented videos or bought books from Hastings, and staples was just kind there in case you needed it. However, I am sure there benefits are pretty close to the same as Target, K-Mart, ShopKo, S-Mart , or any other such stores. To say not to shop at Wal-Mart because they need to treat there employees better, I just don't see that to be relevent. I was merely giving an example of a story I heard to the contrary. And you are right, it was probably because she had friends in high places. It is also not the only story I have heard of employees in tough situations being given a break. Not to mention that if you work for them you get a whole whopping 10% off anything in the store... except groceries.
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#248941
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248941/action/topic#248941
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Only then could we possibly show him killing the children.


I still don't know about the children killing scene, even if it is only implied and not shown I think it was in bad taste that George ever put that in their. Especially when you consider the childish roots this is coming from with Episode I's Jar jar. I really don't think the children killing scene would have appeared in a 40s or 50s noir film.

I was wondering if you had anything in mind about the Chancellor/Palpatine/Sith Lord. How are you going to work out the whole force lightning messed up face thing? I really think george was heading in the right direction in Episode two where he had him looking really old, it would make sense that if he were a very old man in ROTS that 20 years later he would look nearly like a walking corps. I think he should either have the messed up face to start with, or he should remain with a normal face. However, I am not sure if this could be possible, because there is good footage of his looking both ways. For instance the Mace killing scene he has the messed up face, and in the Christopher Lee killing scene he is normal. And I think you are right in saying that that is the perfect Jedi killing scene. I wish it wasn't the only good one. Mace's death is pretty pathetic. I also really like the idea of no Yoda until ESB.
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#248912
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248912/action/topic#248912
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I think the HAL 9000 idea actually came from TM saying that he didn't like the analysis droid scene that much, and what he would really prefer would be to digitally replace the jedi analysis droids with a sort of jedi analysis computer, and he gave HAL 9000 as an example as to what it might look like. I actually think this would work, and that it would fit in with the OT style of things quite well (I mean a big analysis computer, not actually HAL himself), it would make more sense to have a computer that can scan things and tell you what kind of technology it is and where it is from rather than some droids who attend punk concerts during their off hours.
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#248850
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Star Wars prequel film noir (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248850/action/topic#248850
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Eliminating contradictions is one thing I had in mind in suggesting Padme leave Anakin. I think it could actually fill in a lot of gaps. I do agree that we would be loosing the tradegy of Anakin being responsible for his wife's death, but in some ways I think it might be worth loosing.

This quote is kind of what gave me the idea,

"I thought... what if Star Wars was originally a noir movie from the '40's and '50's, very old-fashioned and in black & white? Later on in the seventies or eighties, they made the very popular Star Wars trilogy, but this is the original film made a long time ago. Imagine that it's another thing Lucas suppressed!"

Imagine it this way, this old noir film from the 40s or 50s was a tradegy. It had a young hero, Anakin Skywalker, he takes his job very seriously and neglects his wife, not intentionally, he loves her but he is just so caught up in his work. Also he has a ton of respect for his mentor, Palpatine. Palpatine starts to let him on on secrets, how somebody on the inside, somebody on the jedi council, or perhaps all the jedi council, have been manipulating this great intergalactic war that has lasted for years. The whole war is all their doing, perhaps because the law states that during times of war the jedi hold some sort of emergency powers, while at times of peace they are little more than security guards and police officers. Of course he is really being manipulated and the real ones behind the war are the Brotherhood of the Sith. A denomination of he jedi cult who are more free with their emotions where the jedi surpress their emotions. Maybe at this point the jedi doesn't even see the sith as evil, they are merely an unorthodoc version of the jedi. They haven't caused problems, they are force users but they haven't openly used their powers to cause problems. Perhaps a few jedi are weary of them, but as it is they are just a cult. Maybe they even go around doing good deads.

So anyway the story progresses and Anakin is slowly being convinced that the jedi are evil. Meanwhile his wife leaves him. Sometime later something comes up that convinces him that his closest friend Obi-Wan stole her away from him. this turns him more from the jedi. He joins the sith, and at this point they tell him more secrets, that there is a big plot to over through the jedi and end this war forever. The sith could start a war against the jedi, our story could end in a tragic showdown between two best friends, Anakin and Obi-wan. Obi-wan, to his own remorse defeats Anakin. The story, being a tradegy could end with the death of our hero, and then give an epilogue of how the Sith Lords after a long war with the jedi, destroyed them all and took rule over the galaxy.

Now many, many years later you want to make a sequel to this movie, but the first one was pretty closed ended. What do you do? Well the main character's wife left him, lets say she was pregnant at the time. There is our protagonist right there. We need an antagonist, he could be one of these sith lords, maybe not many of them are left, perhaps they all killed each other off. (remember, it is mentioned that Vader is the last of their kind). Also we need somebody to give guidance to our young protagonist, maybe Anakin's best friend lived and has been watching over him since his mother died and he had to go to live with her only living relatives. Everything from Star Wars (except for Obi-wan killing Anakin) fits perfectly, even though we have information gaps, we don't have near as many plot holes.

second sequel, it turns out another jedi lived the sith war against the jedi, and that Darth Vader is really Anakin and he didn't die after all.
Third sequel, we find out that Leia is Luke's sister and that Anakin's wife had twins. Obi-wan knew the Sith Lord Palpatine knew Anakin was very powerful in the force and that it would have been passed on genetically if he were to have children. Perhaps the sith are very misogynistic or something so Obi-wan takes the male to live with her relatives where just in case the Sith Lord looks up Padme in search of new apprintices.

And this is just off the top of my head, but it is amazing how many plot holes you can fill if the story is completly redone rather than trying to do minor re-edits to the existing prequels. I think having Padme live makes Return of the Jedi's "do you remember your mother", "she died when I was very young" and "I never knew my mother" work much better.

Sorry for my long post, I'm afraid I don't have time to make it shorter.
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#248818
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Rebel Assault II and, Jedi Knight Dark Forces II cutscenes
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248818/action/topic#248818
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Yeah, the filming and acting in Jedi Knight was really bad. I really liked RA II back when it first came out. crazyrabbits compared it to lame flash games, but back when it came out there were no lame flash games. It was back in the days of win 95 and dos. And it usually took some good reflexes. My favorite part of it was that there was a code you could enter, and it would give the game the Mystery Science Theater 3000 treatment. You could see the siloute of a row of movie seats at the bottom of the scene with darth vader, threepio, and artoo, then there would be MST3Kish jokes that would appear on the screen in subtitles. I wish LucasArts would still make games like they used to. They used to have some really good ones, Star Wars and otherwise. Now it is only Star Wars games. I heard they have had some good ones lately, but they are all basically mods of pre-existing games like Battlefront.
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#248802
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248802/action/topic#248802
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Everytime I see that droids spiked "hair" all I can think is what was George thinking? Honestly I think that scene would have been just fine if it wouldn't have been for that goofy mohawk. What kind of a galaxy is it where scientific analysis droids feel the need to express their uniqueness with silly hairdos, I am just happy he isn't wearing spiked dog collars around his neck and wrists.
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#248799
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Mods here are mean
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/248799/action/topic#248799
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Ah, so that is what the long bridge club was for, lets resurrect it.

Maybe one reason these forums are "dying" is because everybody here is convinced they are. The only real conversation going on right now in off topic is how doomed these threads are, and every one saying that they will probably stop posting here sometime soon.