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#281789
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is there any Star Trek Enterprise fans here?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281789/action/topic#281789
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"Using some of what was said as a guide I always thought ST:E could do with some major fan editing, unfortunalty editing the whole seires would be a huge undertaking and I doubt anyone would be interested. But I'd most definatly pay someone to do it for me if anyone was willing to take it on."

Is that a full time position? What's the yearly salary? Can I come in for an interview?
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#281784
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Most Liberal and Conservative movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281784/action/topic#281784
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Yeah, but in that case George made it a valid case with his "If you're not with me you are against me Obi-Wan" line. That was a pretty clear reference to Bush, or if it was unintentional it is pretty understandable for it to be mistaken as such. Also it was writen years after Bush gave his "if you not with us your against us" speech, so it very well could have been an intentional reference to that. I think, but I am not sure that at one point George Lucas said that Palpatine was influenced by Richard Nixon, who I believe was the president in office around the time Lucas was writing the drafts for SW. If that is true, then it seems George has writen contemporary political situations into his works before, so I see it as perfectly reasonable to assume it was an intentional Bush reference.

But I agree with you Ferris, people took it way too far in their comparisons. It has been obvious since 1999 with the Phantom Menace that Palpatine was going to take over the Republic and make it an Empire. We just didn't know how it would be done. It is stupid to read so deeply into it. I think people enjoy being able to come up with analogies, but when they do so they have to connect everything to everything. If you were to do an exegesis of Revenge of the Sith, you would want to look into Lucas' political views, where he lives and where he was when writing it, what major evens were in the news during the time he wrote it. Every writer is influenced by the world around him. Knowing these things could help determine what Lucas was putting into his work, without reading own own ideas into too badly. This would actually be very interesting to do. With most writers when you do this, many very interesting things come to light. Whenever I read a book, I like to read a little bit about the writer first, find out where he lived and during what time, then do some historical research into the place he lived and what the situation was like during his life.
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#281735
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281735/action/topic#281735
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Glad to here you got the file to work and that you liked some of my cuts. See, I really thought we were on the same page.

I am not understanding why Luke as a baby cannot be shown in your edit, are you eventually changing something in Episode IV? Unless there is something different you are doing in your edit I think it works. Padme dies and the baby is taken to live with the Lars family. Meanwhile behind the scenes somehow Anakin survives but his body is so severely damaged he needs a life support system at all times and dons a fancy intimidating suit to cover up his nasty charred body. While we are introduced to him in Episode IV, we don't actually find out it is him until Episode V (only logical issue in this is Obi-Wan's lie, that could be seen two different ways 1) He killed Anakin because he turned to the darkside and he doesn't want Luke to know this because he wouldn't understand. Might as well blame it on the new Sith guy, it was the Sith's fault anyway. or 2) the audience will get wise to the situation and realize that the new Sith really is Anakin and that he didn't die after all. (I know anybody who watches this will already know everything anyway, but I think looking at fanedits from a fresh perspective, as if the film has never been seen before and is new to everyone, helps make them flow better, rather than giving up things for granted such as Anakin being Darth Vader and Leia being Luke's sister.)
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#281733
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My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281733/action/topic#281733
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Not thinking this is worthy enough to have a thread of its own,

I found this old book at a used book store during my travels some years ago. It was a collection of science fiction stories for children, most of or all of the stories were small exerps from larger works. One of the stories was "Escape from the Death Star" which was a chapter or two taken from Star Wars, the adventures of Luke Skywalker. The bit is still credited to George Lucas, but the really curious part of it are the pictures. It has little black and white pictures, typically of a childrens book, but these pictures are nothing like any Star Wars concept art or anything I have ever seen. If fact, show me the picture out of the context they were in and I would not even take them to be Star Wars at all. The picture were quite literally as if somebody who had never seen the film sat down with the book, read the descriptions of the characters and drew them based on that. With works of literature like Lord of the Rings we get to see a million different renditions by numerous artists for every character, but with something like Star Wars, our ideas for the characters are locked, they always were and always will be just how the first appeared on screen. So this book was extremely interesting just for the sake of the pictures. Chewie and the droids looked 100% different. If I remember right, R2 was pretty much a box with wheels.

Anybody else ever see anything like this? Unfortunately I don't have the book handy now, but I am pretty certian it was produced outside of America, perhaps even illeagally.
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#281732
Topic
Most Liberal and Conservative movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281732/action/topic#281732
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Documentaries are never subjective (not that such a thing as subjectivity really exists) and are rarely fair. So, inevitably they always lean to way side or another in their views, mostly because they are made to prove a point, and being subjective or fair isn't the right way to go about that, especially if being fair takes the stab out of your point.

Bowling for Columbine, Inconvenient Truth, A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, etc. would convince no one if they were being subjective. Anybody who looks into Michael Moore's anachronistic and manipulative editing methods, digs a little deeper on the GW thing, or does a tiny bit of investigation into the moon landings, the materials brought back, or checks up on the guy who is always pushing the fake moonlandings and his motivation for it, they are going to have a completely different opinion about any of those subjects than they would if they watched the documentary and walked away feeling they know everything there is to know on the subject (which, unfortunately, is what most people tend to do when viewing documentaries).

Documentaries by their very nature are bias. For a good example of this, watch Empire of Dreams then read Zombie's book, you'll see that something as simple as a documentary on the making of a series of films can still be extremely biased.
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#281694
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Star Wars DVD Covers
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281694/action/topic#281694
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Coov just did these for himself. Nobody asked him for them, he wanted to do them. And he thought to post them here since he had come here asking for hi-res scans of the lunch boxes. I don't see the point in attacking him for it. For those of us who grew up with those lunch boxes they are really cool. If you didn't, then I am sure they are just crappy looking pictures put sideways on a DVD cover. Coov has done some of the best cover art out of anyone here. Coov wasn't the one to call his work art either, that was somebody else. Lazy would be if he didn't make any cover art ever.
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#281685
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281685/action/topic#281685
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Originally posted by: darkhelmet
I agree with C3PX on what the basic resolve of the Anakin/Obi fight should have been; I have trouble with Obi leaving Anakin at all without even so much as finishing him off for mercy's sake! He doesn't pick up his lightsaber, because it seemed like an uncalled-for thing. No set up for it at all in the prequels. Seemed just a lame/rushed way for obi to have it in ANH.

I gotta go, but, C3PX, I downloaded your edit twice, and the video comes up only as colored static. Is it corrupt? I can hear the audio.


I'll check on that video. Other have downloaded it and watched it no problem. I'll try it myself. I agree with you about Obi-Wan picking up the lightsaber, and I honestly don't think its absence will hurt the film. They admited that they forgot about that part and had to go back and shoot it, and the way they did it it really doesn't fit too well. If you are watching your friend buring to death, I think taking his weapon would be the last thing on your mind. How I would suggest editing it, would to be have all as it is, with Anakin catching fire before Obi's eyes, and having him seem to die then and there. That way Obi-Wan already believes he is dead, rather than leaving him to die. I think this could be achieved by freezing the section of film with Anakin's body to show he is not moving, while keeping the rest of the shot moving. Not sure how to do that myself, but more difficult things have been done in fan edits.



EDIT: Just downloaded my clip and skimmed through it, it works fine. Perhaps you don't have the right software for it, it is a normal xvid file. Can you normally play divx/xvid files? You may just need to get an xvid decoder, if you still can't get it to work maybe I can redo it in mpeg or something later when I get the time. I really think you and I are kind of on the same page with our ideas for the ending though. Mine shows Padme birth Luke, die, then fades to her funeral, then show Obi-Wan passing Luke off to his relatives. There is no reason to disguise the fact that Luke is the son of Anakin since the last name is a dead give away and Obi-Wan talks about Anakin just a short ways into the movie. I think if every instance of the use of the name "Lord Vader" or "Darth Vader" is removed from ROTS, we will know something fishy is going on with Obi-Wan's conversation with Luke, but we wont have necessarily made the connection of Darth=Anakin. Even if people were to make the connection, it is still fun to have it shrouded rather than flashing in the sunlight. I think just about every one who saw my clip didn't like that I removed the scene of Palps rescuing Anakin or the birth of Vader scene. My idea also keep the Luke and Leia thing a complete surprise until Jedi, that way we are as baffled with it as Han is upon first hearing it, or it allows the sibling idea to be somehow skillfully edited out of in the event of a saga edit.
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#281683
Topic
Most Liberal and Conservative movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281683/action/topic#281683
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Exegesis - "to read out of"
Eisegesis - "to read into"

Unfortunately in our modern world exegesis is becoming obsolete, as everyone rushes to read everything into everything else. Like lordjedi said, if you didn't know when Lord of the Rings was written it could be taken as a warning of where America is heading. You can read anything into anything you want. This is why 300 has been taken by so many to be complete propaganda in favor of taking out Iran. This is why so many have considered Children of Men to be somewhat about the current state of imigration in the US. You could take anything and make it anything else. This is why the Bible has been made to say and mean so many things is doesn't over the centuries. When you bring all this baggage with you into your arts and entertainment you are going to end up with some very "deep" and "profound" things that were never there to begin with.

That is really stupid about the "truth, justice and everything else", very retarded. I am getting sick of anti-Americanism in the US. Every other country has their right to be anti-American for whatever reason they choose, but for Americans to do it, this really proves the rotten state of things. That particular line would not have been one of those typically American things in a film. Usually the "typically American" things in films have to do with the very enthocentic world view Americans generally have, or just glaring bits of American culture that inevitable show up in own movies. Every culture has this, only Americans export a lot more films and TV shows than other countries do. Every culture has their quarks, America's just more visable to the rest of the world through our exported media.
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#281677
Topic
Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281677/action/topic#281677
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I agree with Tiptup in this point. What makes us a bunch of cynical, whining little sheep who believe the popular opinion that Lucas screwed us over never formulating own opinion and thus just regurgitate the same thing repeatedly.

I don't think Lucas screwed me over. He is what he is, not what anybody ever thought him to be. This is in the open now, it will never change. My only complaint is the lag time in the DVD release, then the realization that the DVD release he did make was only a reaction to the bootlegs floating around so he essentially commercially released his own bootleg. That is annoying. But my complaint with the guy ends there. Everything else is fair enough. He can change the films all he wants, and he can make as many new films as he wants. He can't destroy the old ones, as long as they are available in a valid format I am as happy as can be. My opinions are my own, I didn't get the internet till about 1999, and even then I didn't spend a lot of time on it on message boards or even going to websites, just email really. Nobody told me to dislike the SE, I did that on my own. Nobody told me to dislike Episode I, I did that on my own. Having only a small number of friends who are SW fans in the real world, and some of them being quite fond of the SE and PT, I think it is quite impossible for me to be listening to the popular opinion that Lucas screwed me over and regurgitating it, since I never knew that was popular opinion at the time my own opinions were formulated.

I very much agree with anchorhead about the current state of TV and entertainment, but I don't see it relevent to people complaining about George Lucas. I have never even visited another SW board beyond OT.com, I would assume this being called OT.com that it is a bit of a haven for pre-SE fans, and that in being such that it contains a good deal more of the "screw the SE and PT" type conversation than most the others on the net. I agree it gets old the same people saying the same thing all the time. But if every one just accepted it as it was and forced themselves to like it because it had the label "Star Wars Episode x" stampt on it then we would have never had any of the decent fan edits we have now. I don't think criticising art is so over the top, unreasonable cynicism or negative. I also enjoy sitting and talking with my few friends who are as geeky as me about what changes could have been made to the PT to make it better. I find that as fun as some people find sitting around and talking about the last sports game they watched and how terrible is was so and so fouled up the game and that if he hadn't our team would've won.

I have no hate for Lucas, he did make the movies I have been so fond of over the years. He use to be one of my heros, I used to think he was one of the greatest story tellers alive. Now I know better, but I have no reason to hate him. I may wish he was how I precieved him to be rather than how he is.

And finally, I do not think there are so many who actually let SW rule their lives. Just because it was a big part of my childhood, doesn't mean it does that much for me today or that it rules my life. I don't wear Yoda underoos to bed, and I had no clue Clonetrooper-Os existed.

It should not bother you so much, this is the general SW discussion, so it is sure to come up. You created a thread about disregarding fans under 30, so it was sure to come up. I am willing to bet none of us leave this forum and go to our wives, bosses, coworkers, etc and say, "You know what? George Lucas really raped my childhood." Seriously, there is a time and a place for everything. As they say in Turkey, evash!

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#281592
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281592/action/topic#281592
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There would still be no resolve. The film would still end at a breakneck pace. Padme is a character who has been with us from the very beginning, it is just bad story telling not to actually give hear a death scene. It is pretty important. Again, this is something of which we were given very little to work with, even the original death scene of Padme was pretty weak
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#281591
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Star Wars In 3D
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281591/action/topic#281591
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I liked this line, "For theater owners and studios, the technology could be a lifesaver, luring people back to multiplexes for an experience that cannot be matched by sophisticated home-theater systems or stolen by pirates with hidden camcorders."

I wonder if after they realize the 3D thing isn't increasing their audience that they will stop blaming their plight on "pirates with hidden camcorders". Seriously, who really watches cams of a movie they have wanted to see rather than going to the theater. A more likely scenario is that they wait for it to come to video so they can rent in a watchable quality and save themselves from leaving the cinema disappointed and $10 bucks poorer. 3D is not just a gimmick anymore? Please! Pay a few extra bucks for the glasses? Lets not start that again. Isn't ten bucks to see your film steep enough? Though it would be kind of cool to see Gore's polar bears charging out of the screen in search of colder weather.
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#281589
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Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281589/action/topic#281589
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It has very little to do with ferris "thinking so little of himself" and everything to do with about eleven posts up where you replied to directly to one of his posts with the "I am tired of the Lucas did this to me crowd" comment. I think it is fair enough for ferris, regardless of his personal opinion of himself, to have seen your "whiny little bitches" comment as a reaction to his comments, since it was right after his comment that you began to express your annoyance with the current state of opinions regarding Lucas and SW.

Anyway, I agree with you Cassidy, the "Lucas raped my childhood" crowd need to get over it. Though I have never actually heard anybody say that except from anti-"Lucas raped my childhood" people, though I suppose somebody must have said it at one point.

It is kind of foolish to say it is just a movie though, at the risk of sounding really nerdy I must say SW is so much more than just a movie. Perhaps you are too old and it was something you enjoyed in your teen years rather than submersed yourself in during your youth. How many movies do you sign a petition to have released on DVD and regularly visit a message board about? For myself, only one. There is no single movie I have seen as many times as SW. I haven't seen it in years actually. Because it is not just a movie. If it was I would watch it and put it back on the shelf until I wanted to watch it again. It isn't. I haven't seen any of the OT for years, and yet they are still as present in my mind as ever, because they had such an impact on my youth. My buddy and I ran around whacking colored wooden poles together. We had an R2 unit made out of a putty bucket and paper. It was never just a movie to me, it was an actual world that I spend a good deal of my informative years living in. This is not a bad thing, before somebody pipes up and says I have wasted my life on a stupid movie I will remind them that all kids live in some fantasy world, and the SW universe isn't the only one I lived it, but it was one of my favorite ones. If it was just a movie, I could care less about it.

There are many with similar cases to my own. Plenty of us to whom SW is more than just a movie. It is annoying that the films I grew up with no longer exist-- err... I mean... exist only as a special feature on a DVD in pretty lame quality. It is annoying that when I mention SW Jar Jar Binks and Natalie Portman's bad acting pop into people minds.

Cassidy, you have mentioned before how you hate that your child has to grow up in a world where Star Wars fandom is so divided. I am afraid that is unavoidable. After all, there are two different sets a films, it is only natural that you will have fans of Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi, and that you will have fans of Star Wars I, II, III, IV, V, and VI. I personally don't care much for the later one, and I am certainly not a fan of them. Goes to reason that I am not going to have a whole lot in common with somebody who grew up on those films. Though they may have as much importance to them as the old ones do to me. We are not part of the same fandom, we love two entire different sets of films. Kind of the difference between a kid who grew up with Star Trek and a kid who grew up with ST:TNG or DS9 or Voyager. They are just not the same thing. The only difference is that in our case we were told we could never see ours again, because it no longer existed.

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#281587
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So my Dad has this crazy idea... VHS set of the original trilogy in the house, somewhere...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281587/action/topic#281587
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The faces set can be pan & scan. It is not too unlikely that you do in fact have a set if your dad says you do. They were very common. If you don't have set, or if you cannot wait to find them, I promise you if you can find a store that sells used VHS you will be able to get a whole set for about $2 a tape. Every time I have been to a store that deals used VHS tapes there have been abundances of the faces VHS tapes and the pre-faces sets.
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#281586
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Most Liberal and Conservative movies
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281586/action/topic#281586
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I really don't see the point of this, it is pretty hard to mark a movie liberal or conservative. It also depends on the aspect of the film you look at. I fail to see anything that warrants the use of a superlative regarding the liberalness of the majority of those films.

To Kill A Mockingbird
Schindler's List
Soylent Green
Planet of the Apes

To Kill A Mockingbird is pretty chock full of "conservative" themes (how I hate these silly increasingly inaccurate descriptors more and more everyday).
Planet of the Apes has some pretty conservative themes in it as well, but I suppose you are focusing on the evolution aspect of the film. It is ashame a film with so many great themes to it get
chocked off as "evolutionary propaganda" by "liberals". Kind takes a great work of sci-fi and makes it a pile of crap. Notice the word "sci-fi", this indicates the science described in the movie should not be used to prove anything regarding science in the real world, because it is a work of fantasy. More about social ills than about atheism. Evolution is merely a plot point. And let's not forget Caesar's speech about if it is God's will that apes should rule man, then it will be done with kindness and compassion.
Soylent Green ^ Charlton Heston, same actor who plays in Planet of the Apes is an extreme "conservative". Not that that makes such a difference about the films contents, but I still don't see much "liberalism" about it.
Schindler's List? This is the film about the Jews right? Is it liberal because it contains Nazis?

Do you know why "liberal" and "conservative" are such retarded concepts? Because in the manner we use them today they are pretty non descriptive, very slippery terms. If I claim to be a conservative then who is liberal? Well, anybody who is not as conservative as me. If I claim to be a liberal, who is conservative? Anybody who isn't quite as liberal as myself. One man's conservative is another man's liberal. In a classical sense of the word I am a flaming liberal, just like every other American alive today (including G.W. Bush).

With that said, I will give you Roger and Me and The US vs. John Lennon, for one I have not seen them and another I know anything by Michael Moore is going to be swollen with his backwards intellect like a wound with puss. If I am going to be labeled a conservative, at least Michael Moore is one person I do not have to feel ashamed to share the same affiliation with. If I were a liberal I would be terribly embarrassed to have him on my side.
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#281522
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Anyone else totally disregard Lumpy being Chewbaccas's son?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281522/action/topic#281522
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Originally posted by: generalfrevious
I never cared about Itchy.


I know, I've never cared for being itchy either. That is my biggest peeve about camping, getting eaten by those stupid mosquitos and itching for the next few days. I also hate when you get a hair cut and the hair goes down the neck of your shirt and it is itchy all day long.

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#281464
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281464/action/topic#281464
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Hmm, just watched it. I must say I think the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan battle is worse rather than improved in your version. My biggest annoyance with that scene has always been how Obi just leaves his "good friend" to die burning to death. I think it would have been much better played if he would have fallen off a cliff or fallen into the acid/lava and disappeared. In your cut Obi-Wan does not only leave his buddy while he is burning to death and it is a pretty sure thing he will be dead momentarily, but instead actually leaves him lying there on the bank limbless but otherwise healthy to pull him self to safety with his remaining arm. Also whilethe dialogue between the two isn't the best, I think it is pretty essential that Obi-Wan sees his friend has truly turned and that there is no way to get him back. In your version it is more of a "okay Anakin, I see you have choosen to become a Sith, so I am going to murder you now". SOme of the dialogue should go, but like Erik said, some things like "You've done that yourself" don't sound bad and I think are pretty essential to the emotion of the scene. Otherwise you just have two guys trying to kill each other. I completely agree with the removal of "If your not with me then you're against me".

Also I also find the abrupt ending an extremely terrible choice (not trying to diss, just trying to give constructive crit.) I think you and I have similiar goals for the ending. Have you seen my clip? I posted it in the Starkiller Ranch thread before. You can dl it here. Keep in mind this wasn't made to showcase my editing skills, but was rush together in a matter of five or ten minutes. I too have tried to preserve the Darth Vader secret, though I know inevitable people will figure it out before they reach the ending of ESB, I still think it is fun to preserve and not to have completely in the open. I have also tried to preserve the Leia thing by only showing the birth of Luke. Check out my clip and see what you think, if you like any of my ideas feel free to use them or modify them and make them your own.
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#281457
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My first step into a larger world.... Splinter Of The Mind's Eye
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/281457/action/topic#281457
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"Back in the mid 90s I tracked down a copy of Mission to Ord Mantell. I personally thought it was pretty lame."

Oh, it is extremely lame. I think just about every line of dialogue is recycled dialogue from the films. I guess Brian Daley wanted it to sound authentically Star Wars, still hard to believe this same guy adapted the Trilogy radio dramas when they seem quite well done and Mission to Ord Mantell sounds like it was written by a ten year old.