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#283041
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Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283041/action/topic#283041
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GoodMusician, did you see Marvolo's clip (I think it was Mavolo's) with the Batman's Begins line over the Yoda meditation sequence? As much as I dislike lifting things from other films, that is a very interesting line, and it actually fits pretty well, indicating that Yoda feels guilty for what has taken place and Qui-gon tells him not too. ADM used this line during the landing on Dagobah scene, and it was the only part of his edit I didn't like, but during the meditation scene it fits better and feels more natural.
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#283038
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Info: Your work is being sold
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/283038/action/topic#283038
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Originally posted by: TheCassidy
TR-47 Selling Star Wars

I know most of you kids don't give a damn about anything besides Star Wars, which is why I bring this up.

Here's a link of DVD's TR-47 is selling which includes everything from Deleted Magic (karma is a bitch, btw) to Jambe's stuff...it's disgusting.

Maybe I can spell it out for you guys - when people like this are facilitated, they threaten to wreck this hobby for all of us. Think about it. You are not legally entitled to any of this material, despite what you may fool yourselves into thinking or saying to make yourself feel better. At the end of the day we're allowed to exist because fan edits and preservations are pretty much under the radar, but when scum start selling edits, that brings attention to us. Bad attention.

So, when you see this sort of thing, take action. Apathy can kill all of this.



I know, that is the real kicker. I have no doubt that it is eventually going to happen, it is more a question of when. And it will all be because some baboons (no offense meant towards any real baboons) couldn't resist making an easy buck. I hear about comic con busts all the time, I can't believe people are still dumb enough to sell stuff there. Do they get fined when this happens? Or just a slap on the wrist and all their DVD taken away? I think they should crack down on crap like that rather than sueing eleven year olds for downloading limp bizcut songs.

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#282988
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282988/action/topic#282988
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GoodMusician, my fellow Ewok friend, I really liked the flow of you ending, especially the music. I thought the birth of Luke was seamless. If it were not for the loosing the will to live line still being present, I would say it was spotless. The part I did not like was the vision of Yoda. I guess I just felt that we already saw that stuff and it came as repetitive. Obi-Wan still believed he was the choosen one, so I also don't believe the Qui-gon line was neccessary. picture this though,
Yoda meditating and just a quick distorted flash of first close up of Vader's mask from the birth scene with fitting music right before Bail interupts. If we don't want to save the identity of Vader, then I think that would be a great alternative to the birth of Vader scene. I am still very partial to the robotic arm clutching the ground, I think it is a great forshadowing of what is to come ("he is more machine now than man") without giving away the farm.

Overall I thought your (GoodMusician's) ending was very smooth, if that had been the way the theatrical ended, I think I would have walked out of the theater with a slightly more gentle opinion of the film. I was on the fence through out the whole movie, I sure didn't think it was great but I still thought it could be tollerated up until the turn of Anakin, then the birth of Vader scene and the lose of will to live were the final nails in the coffin. Those two scenes are IMHO the two absolute worse things about the film and the most difficult to fix in a fan edit. I think the future is looking bright for the ending, but I still have no clue to fix the turn of Anakin.

This visual brainstorming via posted clips is a really good way to come up with ideas. I like how one person has an idea, then others compound on it.
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#282974
Topic
Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282974/action/topic#282974
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Originally posted by: sean wookie
Originally posted by: lordjedi
Originally posted by: sean wookie
I don't think they represent the religion it's that how fuck up some of these people are. I guess I worded that post wrong. And then there is hate against atheist and alike people. I don't really have a problem with religion just when it gets in the way with peoples politics.


Whoa, what? How does that blog have anything to do with politics?


You don't think they'd make a blog like that if it wasn't for politics do you?


Yeah. Why does it have to be political? They are religious nuts, they really believe this crap, regarless of politics.
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#282937
Topic
Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282937/action/topic#282937
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Sean, this isn't religion, it is the perversion of religion. You can't hold this crap against people who are religious. There are a lot of bigots out there, and a lot of people who think they are blameless in God's eyes and that everytime something bad happens to somebody it is God's judgment. That is bad theology. Those people don't know what they are talking about. They just use religion as a reason to hate.
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#282919
Topic
Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282919/action/topic#282919
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Originally posted by: Master Sifo-Dyas
Tehee. It's really surprising how the bush administration's trend towards establishing a police state in their "war on terror" suddenly seems to have originated from europe.

And the general media drift certainly isn't "It's Charleton Heston's fault!". Go throw rocks at Michael Moore for that one...


That first line made no sense to me. As far as the Charleton Heston thing goes, I agree with Sifo-Dyas, Europe may be pulling that card now, but it was one of our fat lard Americans that started that crap. I get sick of people who say how wrong he was for telling the families of the Colombine victims that they could have his gun when they pry it from his cold dead fingers. That never happened. It is called skillfull editing.

So one of his guns was a Glock and the other a .22? Seriously? No wonder there are surviviors with three bullets in each of them. I agree with lordjedi about the students not having every used guns. Magazines are not hard to reload, all he would have to do is pratice for an hour or less in his dorm room and he would be able to load the thing like a pro. The serial numbers being filed off is weird though. My first reaction to that was that he bought them illegally, and the source filed them off to protect themselves just in case, but since he bought it ligitimately, I don't know. The only thing I can figure is that he only intended to kill one person and filed the numbers just in case, then he snapped after his initial killing. But then there is the issue of multiple guns, which would not make since. Unless he thought they would be useful while he was on the lamb.

I like how the European articles complained about machine guns being legal in America, when this guy didn't even have one.
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#282881
Topic
Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282881/action/topic#282881
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Originally posted by: lordjedi


Generally speaking only 10 due to the Federal High Capacity magazine ban from several years ago. Scratch that. I just checked Wikipedia. That ban expired in 2004. In that case, without knowing the exact model of the guns, I'd go with the high end. A Glock 19 (9mm) has a 15 round capacity. A Glock 18 can use a high capacity magazine that carries 33 rounds, but I doubt he had one of these. The magazine is gigantic and doesn't look like it could easily be hidden. As for a 22, those can have as many as 18 rounds. So the two guns combined along with 2 clips for each weapon to reload with could have killed 33 people.

How many were wounded?


These were 9mm so I would assume 10 - 15 rounds. If that is the case twenty to thirty shots per gun, not to mention it is terribly easy to reload. Even if he only had the two clips, you can load one of those things in less than a minute.

Originally posted by: sean wookie
I'm guessing he planned and trained to a very large extent maybe for months. Judging that he only had 2 hand guns.


What makes you guess that? I would bet anybody who has never even touch a gun before could do just as much damage as this guy did. In fact, I would say the two guns would be evidence against his having trained (that is assuming he used them both at once, rather than having one holstered and the other in use), as you can be much more accurate with one gun, but to reasonably aim and shoot with two guns at the same time is a bit of a fairytale. I would also say that the fact that he was using two guns also makes it very likely that he was a gamer.


As far as closing down the campus or giving a better warning, that doesn't really hold up. Like somebody said, this is a University campus, not a high school. It would be just like evacuating a small city for the sake of a murder case. Finding two people dead doesn't scream out "rampage" when there is a rampage you expect it to be over and done by the time the police arrive or to turn into a hostage situation perhaps. You find two people dead and it looks an awful lot like a simple murder case. Also one of the two was an R.A., he is the one who is suppose to attend to dorm residence when they need help. In this case it would be likely to assume he was simply doing his job and trying to intervien in a dispute which unfortunately turned violent. In these cases it is pretty much assured the killer will flee. The administration couldn't have done anything. A usual rampage pops out of know where and people die. In this case there was a sort of "warning" but there was nothing in that warning to indicate that it was anything more than a simple dispute turned violent.

If they did have an alarm system go off, it would sent the campus into chaos, and very likely more people would die. A P.A. system that could cover the whole campus is about as likely as a P.A. system covering a whole city. And you wouldn't want to come on it and say that there has been a murder on campus because chances are it was simply that, just a murder. All you are going to do is throw people into panic. Nobody could have forseen what was coming. They need to leave the administration alone. It was no more their faults than it was the faults of the victims. If there had been a call after the murder with a threat that they were going to go on a rampage, then it would have been time to track down all students and evacuate them. However, this was not the case.
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#282845
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'Backstroke of the West' with retail DVD quality : FINISHED & RELEASED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282845/action/topic#282845
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I searched online and founds French and Dutch subs for Revenge and used Babel fish to translate them,

From official Frend subtrack:

A long ago in a remote galaxy. Very remote…

The Revenge of Siths

The War! The Republic breaks down under attacks of the Sith Lord, the Count Dooku. There is of the heroes in the two camps.
The Evil is everywhere. In a courageous movement, the monstrous one Chief of Droïdes, the Grievous General, penetrated the
capital of the Republic and removed the Palpatine Chancellor, chief of the Galactic Senate. Whereas the Army of Droïdes of the
Separatists tries to escape from the capital with their prestigious hostage, two Jedi Knights direct a mission despaired to
save the captive Chancellor… R2, aims it!


Dutch:

A long time ago, in an ASTRE scheme here far from...

wars! The republic falls from each other... attack Lord of the cruel Sith, Count Dooku. heroes are there on both sides. Misfortune dominates everywhere. general Grievous, LEADER of the droids, have chancellor Palpatine, LEADERS of the galactic senate, kidnapped. if the separatist droid try army escape... two Jedi lead knights a mission to call back the chancellor...
missing the aim, Artoo. General Grievous ship lies right for us. the one which full zit with droids. I see it. This becomes a makkie. Odd Ball, hear you me? - Save yes, Leader. and lets you team behind me indicates to my position come.

As you can see, especially in the case of the Dutch translation, this could very well be the case of Backstroke. Also the above are based off of the official DVD subtitle tracks, imagine how much more messed up they would be if they were translated from English by somebody who knew nothing about the SW terminology.



Originally posted by: kaine23
This is one of those things that makes you wish MST3K was still on the air, lol. I have to say though the disc art's cool.


kaine, have you hear of RiffTrax? It is almost like having new episodes of MSTK3. They have already done riff for Episode 1 and 2.
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#282837
Topic
'Backstroke of the West' with retail DVD quality : FINISHED & RELEASED
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282837/action/topic#282837
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Having spend countless hours dealing with the process of translation, I really think the Backstroke of the West subs were made in something like Babel fish.

ReverendBeastly, where does the information that the movie was transcribed into Chinese, then back to English? I have heard that many times before too, but have always thought it is just the assumption.

It is very common for foreign pirated DVDs to have very inaccurate subtitles, but they usually have something to do with the film. I had to watch The Fellowship of the Rings for the first time on a pirated VHS screener, because it did not come to the cinema where I lived. My favorite part was at the end where on the subtitles Gimli declares "Lets go hunt some ox!"

However Backstroke of the West is so off and so uniform, it really seems electronically generated. I have always supposed that they were transcribed into Chinese, and electronically back to English. I don't see what the logic of going through the great effort of translating a movie into it original language would be, and why anyone would take the time to do it. Especially if they would need the transcription of it in English to translate it to Mandarin in the first place. Foreign pirates just aren't that dedicated. Most foreign pirated releases are half assed attempts made solely for the sake of making a buck or two. Internet pirates are another story though, they are usually looking to be the first to make a release or to be the ones to put it out in the best quality. I am often impressed with their dedication. But these foreign pirated releases are usually more of the TR-47 variety, if they can rip it off from someone else they will. If they have to translate it themselves, they are going to put as little effort into it as possible.

If anyone has more information on Backstroke, let me know. I would like to look into it more.
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#282836
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Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282836/action/topic#282836
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Threepio is Owen's droid who nobody wants because he is so eccentric. So Anakin will not have made him, but he will end up still being Padme's droid by Ep. III.

He still goes with them to Geonosis. When SOTDS gets released you will see he put a lot of thought into his idea, and I really think it will work. It will be pretty humorous too.
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#282835
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Info: Real TV - Star Wars Auditions 4/16/07 - anyone preserving this?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282835/action/topic#282835
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I am pretty sure I saw this when it first aired. I was flipping through stations and I came across the announcement that they would show a clip of the auditions. It was long before they were widely available through places like this. This was even before TPM came out. I was very disappointed because they only showed about a minute of it after about three commercial breaks of "When we come back! blah, blah, blah. And then, the original Star Wars auditions!" What I don't get, is why on earth would they run reruns of Real TV. It seemed the show showed things that were kind of relevant to the times, don't see how reruns would be valid.
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#282827
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Star Wars Fans Are Cool Regardless Of Age...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282827/action/topic#282827
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Originally posted by: Nobody
I submit that there are three classes of fans:

-Those old enough to remember Star Wars as a stand-alone film.
-Those who grew up with the trilogy as a complete set.
-Those who grew up with the Special Edition and prequels.

For the first group, even the second two films were an intrusion of sorts. This is my father - he still insists that "Darth" is Vader's first name.

I'm in the second group. Han shoots first, damnit, but I don't flinch at the title "A New Hope," and I'm happy to tell you why a planet of Ewoks is better than a planet of Wookies.

As for the third group, that's my brothers, but I'm not sure there is much consensus opinion, apart from "Natalie Portman is hot." I defer to bkev et all.

Oh, and I'm 26.


I would fit into that second group, because I am too young to have seen the first film in theaters. But I sure grew up with them. There is a picture of me when I was two sitting under the Christmas tree with the Kenner X-Wing fighter my parents got me (it was missing the guns and canopy, so that must have got it at a garage sale or a thrift store), I still have no idea why they got me a such a toy at a such a young age. My dad or older sister who were both mild SW fans must have thought it was cool and decided to get it for me. Obviously they didn't let me play with it when I was two, or it would be in pieces by now. I have so many memories of that stupid thing, still have it too.

Anyway, my point is I easily fall into that second group, but I would never, even when I was younger, have attempted to justify Ewoks or explain why they were better than a planet of Wookies. Also I grew up with Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi. A New Hope was never widely used (at least in my tiny corner of fandom) until the 1997 S.E. release. It didn't even appear on the box until the 1993 THX release. It was such a tiny part of the crawl most of us didn't even notice it, or if we did we didn't see it as that big of a deal.

In fact, for some odd reason I had about five or six Chewie figures, all with various levels of discoloration (those old Kenner figures had a tendency for that) and I would turn my Ewok village (I don't care what you think about the Ewoks, that was the coolest play set ever!) into a Wookie village. And since my Chewbacca's were all different colors thanks to that weird discoloring thing it they all looked different from one another. I would have much rather seen Wookies tearing Stormtroopers apart than seeing Ewoks thwarting men in heavy armor by throwing pebbles at them, something even at a very young age I make complaints about (kids notice things like that, I am sure I wasn't the first little kid to say "Hey, those rocks wouldn't hurt those Stormtroopers through their armor!"

Hmm, one quick question that maybe someone like Erikstormtooper could give me the answer to, he being our resident action figure guy and all.
Why did those old Kenner figure discolor so much? I guess it was the plastic they used, but two figures with the same date on the leg, and they were both entirely different colors. I remember my Luke's torso turned yellow while his arms and legs stayed white (obviously because of the different types of plastic). One of my many stormtroopers also turned yellow, while all my others stayed more or less white (though all clearly different shades). This is a mystery that has baffled me for the better part of my entire life, and annoyed the crap out of me as a kid.
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#282823
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282823/action/topic#282823
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He is only doing Episode II, but last I read he was going to introduce Threepio is Owen's droid who nobody wants because he is so eccentric. So Anakin will not have made him, but he will end up still being Padme's droid by Ep. III. The idea is that whoever makes the Ep. I edit that precedes SOTDS will remove him completely so that the introduction in SOTDS will be the first time we meet him.
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#282820
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Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282820/action/topic#282820
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No Tiptup, your wrong. It is video games! Mind altering drug are good for you.

Ferris, that was good post. I really think we should start carding for ropes. They are just too easy to get. I mean, we even pass them off as children's toy under the guise of "jump rope". Yeah right! It is still a rope! Like adding "jump" to the front of it suddenly makes it a toy. Please.
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#282747
Topic
Virginia Tech shooting
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282747/action/topic#282747
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I am sure we all saw the video game thing coming. It was inevitable. This type of thing has been going on in America for a while. You don't have this sort of thing so much in other countries, even ones that can get access to guns, so you can't blame it on guns either. Americans also seem more prone to offing themselves. I don't think it is a world problem. I think it relates more too the highly stressful atmosphere we make for ourselves in America. Our culture is a fast paced and extremely stress filled one.

I would also be inclined to say that our lacking of ability to take responsibility for our own actions and behaviors is another major contributor. After all, it wasn't the poor saps fault, it was the fact that his mommy and daddy let him play Doom when he was a kid. Or because his mom spanked him from time to time. Surely it is the parents fault. If he was white, then it was because he was an angry white guy. If he was black, well then it is because of the whites that he did this. If he was gay, then of course it was the fault of the religious bigots that liter the world with their fifthy, worthless carcasses.

Can't we just take responsibility for our own actions? Maybe the got went bezerk not because of id software, but because there was something terribly wrong. Though I know I am wrong. If the experts says Doom made him do it, then Doom it was.
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#282743
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282743/action/topic#282743
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
Originally posted by: C3PX
It isn't even an issue about believeability, but rather a question of good idea or bad idea.


Instead of these, the issue should be presentation. I don't care if the rebel medical friggin' frigate had a supply of prosthetic hands or whether it can make them from scratch in a few minutes. Or it shouldn't matter if they had a Sith suit lying around for Anakin (I suppose one could argue that they made Anakin to fit the suit, rather than claiming they had a suit in his size). The slow optical wipe from the escape at Bespin to the rebel fleet gives the audience a clue that enough time has passed for everyone to heal and catch their breath. In ROTS, Lucas needed to set the stage for the next 20 years between the Episodes III and IV, but who knows what the heck he was doing, so we get a very rushed end of the movie. All the things that the fans had been waiting to see were crammed into the last 10 minutes. No wonder the believability is shot to hell.


Yeah. That is what I mean by bad idea. Bad concept, bad presentation. Imagine what a difference it would have made to the ending if he had done a slow optical wipe like in ESB and let a decent amount of time pass. We could have had a depressed and unhealthy Padme give birth to the twins and die in labor of complications rather than a broken heart. Yoda and Obi-Wan could have been carefully choosing their plan of action during that time. In that same context the birth of Vader could have come off as a totally different scene. It would have made a world of difference. The only time you get a hint of the passing of time is with the funeral scene then the Death Star scene.
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#282741
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The legendary "Starkiller Ranch" Thread
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/282741/action/topic#282741
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This is very possibly the dumbest argument I have ever had. Even more ironic is that both of us seem not to even be fans of ROTJ, let alone ROTS! If you hadn't come off as such an ass (and that could be a misinterpretation on my part, I only got four hours of sleep last night and my mind is pretty cloudy) in your second response, I wouldn't have even bothered replying.

Anyway, I guess it has been a while since you have seen the film, but there really isn't any way to allow for the passing of any time whatsoever. Even if you want to argue that days passed between the duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin and the moment Padme goes into labor, you still have the issue of Obi-Wan wearing the exact same burnt clothes. Even if you wanted to say that he had nothing else to change into, you have the issue of things progressing directly from the departure from Mustafar to the Bail telling Yoda they have arrived, to bell telling them to get Padme to the medical bay to "she's dying and we have to get the babies out now". If you can argue that nothing indicates the passing of time in this sequence, then I would like to tell you my theory about Leia and Chewie actually spending months, years perhaps as prisoners of Jabba before Luke finally rescues them.

I agree there are many worse problems with the PT. I have given up on them, but I still think the idea of fanediting is interesting. All I did was suggest that the Birth of Vader sequence should be excised from the film because it was weak. I don't see why you come along and make fun of me for going to "Jedi Medical school". I just don't think it fits in with the OT style of things. Above all else, what sluggo said about being poorly pulled off is the key point anyway, hence my joke about the easy-bake Sith oven thing. And that is also why the OT comes off as more believeable, because you don't have things that are as badly executed as things are in the PT. Even the awful ROTJ rescue plan makes a hell of a lot more sense than just about anything in the PT. And at least that had a cool and memorable Rancor scene in it.