Bingowings

vaderios said:

Darth Solo said:

Im still fighting with it to do basic crap like resize and colour tint selected layers (im stupid see). I know theres loads of tutorials out there but im trying to teach myself (so as to make me less retarded). But I guess i agree that Photoshop is epic though, based on what youve achieved with it vaderios ;-)

I'm self tought too. Imagine that I've learned PS to my Instructor in my University. All it need its time. :)

Notice the lights ImpFighter :)

-Angel

 

I'm a self taught too but my teacher is an ass and I'm a lazy student.

Ady uses mostly still image manipulation to do a lot of his shots, so if you got yourself After Effects you could turn these single frame epics into full blown movie sequences.

I'm going to get into using Cinelerra for my stab at making the Exorcist prequels into one watchable film (because it's free) but you clearly have a head start and an eye for what works.

WheresBlackhawk said:

Bingowings, one of my goals is to make Obiwan not "the biggest fibber in the galaxy."

That's a tall order with even the OT as it stands but I'm behind you all the way on that one.

vaderios said:

An idea of less colorful shots. Still i like the idea of stealing lightsabers from Jedis :)

-Angel

 

That would be great if someone wanted to go down the Maul Grievous route.

Any chance of doing a mock-up of the Boba Fett leaving Tatooine and selling the Death Star location idea mentioned a few posts back as a mock up?

I don't want to turn you into a mock-up machine so only do it if you have the time and the inclination.

TheBoost said:

This thread is AWESOME and I would like nothing more than to play a part in this braintrust.

 

Here are some questions that might lead down interesting paths.

-What if the Jedi deserved to be destroyed? What if they, as a religion, were too powerful, too comfortable, and many of them were turning their back on the true path? I'm inspired by the medieval Catholic church, where the clergy weilded more power than kings and more than half of all priests and most popes had illigetimate kids. Perhaps a handful of Jedi, like Quigon, might still be faithful, but as a whole it's a decaying institution. This would put Luke as the start of a fresh, pure Jedi order.

-What if the Republic was hopelessly corrupt as well? What if Anakin and Obiwan were part of a valid revolution, but where Obiwan was on the side to redeem and reform the Republic, whereas Anakin finds himself more in the 'burn it all, behead your enemies, reform a dictatorship' camp. (A little Oliver Cromwell. a little Napoleon)

-What if Anakin, publicly as Anakin, was leader of the Storm Troopers, President Palpatine's personal security force? He eventually renounces the Jedi and becomes head of this 'Secret Police' (very Nazi Brownshirts). He could even wear a white, helmetless version of the Vader armor. If the Jedi are outlawed, he could lead the hunt for them as Anakin, not becoming Vader until Obiwan makes him all crippleified.

-I think Anakin doesn't need to get married. Maybe he doesn't even KNOW his lady is pregnant, since their affair is secret anyways. Maybe she's married. Maybe Bail Organa can't have kids, and his wife is schtupping a Jedi on the side, and he's fine with it.

-What if Anakin never even becomes a Jedi? Obiwan meets him, they become buddies, and then Obiwan tries to instruct him in the Force, and Anakin just goes bad from the start? I don't love this idea, but I think there's nothing in the OT that says Anakin had to be a Jedi.

 

"I was once a Jedi Knight the same as your father", admittedly this is coming from Obi-Wan the biggest fibber in the galaxy but it would seem to point to Vader getting to the Jedi Knight stage before going down hill.

vaderios you have a real flair for this sort of work, you should move up to animating these ideas.

Adywan is self taught and I'm sure he could point you in the right direction.

ChainsawAsh said:

3D animation is incredibly difficult.  Why would 2D be harder?  Look at animated TV.  How much of it is animated in 2D?  Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, King of the Hill, almost any Adult Swim show (Robot Chicken doesn't count, it's stop-motion), et cetera.  And how many 3D-animated TV shows do you know?  Clone Wars ... um ... yeah.  Not to say that Futurama and occasionally Simpsons don't use 3D animation, but it's mostly 2D.

I use TV as an example because of the volume of work they have to do each year - think of that, and think of us doing 3 two-hour movies.  We do want to finish this in our lifetimes.

I also room with an animation student.  Trust me, it would be a lot easier to do 2D animation than 3D.

There is a precedent for this sort of project being done in a mixture of 2D and 3D.

The television show Doctor Who started in 1963 but many episodes were lost forever because the master tapes were taped over to save money.

However the soundtracks still exist (largely because of people taping the audio off the television set) and there are groups working on animating the missing episodes by dividing the labour).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/jun/26/bbc.doctorwho 

They have the acting, the sound design, the look of the thing and scripts done before they started.

It's more important to get the ideas together, then the script, then the audio play and then we can start looking at what animation style to use.

At the moment we have nothing but a few story ideas floating in the air.

Luiswookiee said:

ImperialFighter said:

Here's a good shot of that actual 'puppet' model from the front this time -  http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2120/2378370309_8ca035b6a3.jpg?v=0

Wow! I took that picture (http://www.flickr.com/photos/laapmx/2378370309/). I'm glad you can use it to illustrate your comments. I've been visiting this forum for a while now and I think Adywan is amazing (I've watched ANH:R, of course).

Greetings, and thank you all. :-)

 

I tried adding my stalactite/stalagmite desecrations to your photo too, but sadly (or not depending on your point of view) I'm utter rubbish.

Photo's like yours are really useful when trying to illustrate points on here so it's great that you put them out there for everyone.

I've moved the Endor side of the conversation over to ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread.

Bingowings said:

Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.

If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.

Bingowings said:

vaderios said:

Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.

-Angel

 

Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.

I copied this over from the ESB:R thread as it's more a ROTJ:R (or similar edit) idea.

vaderios said:

Actually Ion Cannons are placed here and there in capital ships. Even Y-Wings have them. You can hear the sound of them many times in ROTJ. Considering that the ships must balance Shields-Speed-Power, the stunt effect of ion cannons are considerably less powerfull that Hoth's one.

-Angel

Perhaps I should copy this over to the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread but it would be nice to see a milder version of this effect during the Endor battle.

TheBoost said:

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something.

Watched "Jedi" last night. It seemed to me that since the DS and the moon are always in sunlight, the planet the forest moon is orbiting can very likely just be on the other side of the forest moon. The forest moon is a really big planet (at least Earth size apparently) not a small moon. It's completely possible that in all the wideshots the gas giant Endor is simply behind the planet, or behind the camera.

 

It does seem a bit cheap to make such a potentially large object perpertually camera shy.

The EU explanation is that the main planet was lost somehow but wouldn't that make the moon a fully fledged planet now?

vaderios said:

-Angel

Once again another beautiful job, it makes me wonder why those things weren't built into the bigger capital ships if they could case that much disruption.

If Ackbar had one of those fitted to his ship he could have cleared a path through during the battle of Endor.

Thanks Tobar, it looks more like just a mouth in a pit (a bit like the OUT Sarlacc only really big).

LexX said:

Knightmessenger said:

Also, episode III was never released on VHS. So you'll never see an official VHS set of all three prequels anyways.

 

 It was released at least in my country so I have the full PT on VHS, too. :)

It was definitely released in the UK, I picked it up in HMV when they were getting rid of their VHS cassettes.

Same here, I would love to see the edited versions.

HotRod said:

Bingowings said:

Ziz said:

Bingowings said:

Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)

 

 

 

 

Yeah, maybe we should stay away from the 'Slug Jaws' type of thing!!

 

:)

 

Heaven's preserve Richard Kiel!

It is a mock-up not a final effect (it took me literally 5 minutes on photoshop and it shows) so joking aside, people shouldn't dismiss an idea because of a sketch on a napkin isn't mixed in Dobly 5.1.

Archie Goodwin used essentially the same idea in the Marvel Comic adaptation ,though he never showed the creature from the outside (can someone post a scan of this for completion sake? I can't find one.)

The idea is out there, some people like it, some people don't but Adywan will choose for this edit. (and whatever he says or doesn't say but just does I'll go with).

TheBoost said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings was thinking more of what I was concerned about - how we would make it clear that Fett sold the information to the Rebels.

And that's not a half-bad idea, either.

 

 How did Boba know where the Death Star was?

Vader told him or let him know is the obvious choice, he wants Palpatine and the Rebeliion wiped out and for Luke to be his apprentice, Palpatine knows all about this but the Death Star is fully functioning and caught between the Imperial fleet and the Death Star they will be wiped out, Luke be be his apprentice and Vader will be out of the way.

But does the audience really need to know?

Boba Fett is a bounty hunter and a tracker, the rebels can hire him just as much as anyone else.

You can stick the backstory in the new novelisation.

ChainsawAsh said:

That's an interesting idea, but I don't know how you'd get it across using existing footage.

A shot of Slave One heading off into space, A shot of Slave One heading towards the Rebel fleet, a shot of Fett hanging around in the background of the briefing out of sight of Han and the rest and no mention of the Bothan spies.

Leia : "I hope it's worth the price we paid" 

vaderios I'm sure, could knock out some wonderful mock ups.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

There IS the option of having him at Jabba's at first and then use some exterior of the palace with Fett's ship leaving in the background. That way he's gone from the sail barge fight...

Just in time to sell the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels?

Ziz said:

Bingowings said:

Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)

 

Or Matt Groening.

 

I wonder what it would look like in yellow?

Only joking.

"Stay On Target!"

vaderios said:

teharri said:

I think I have mentioned it before , but I would love to see an update to the ION cannon blast in the hoth battle. I would like to see the laser beam look taken out and replaced with a more electrical bursts with a few added elctricity volts comming from the star destroyer that takes the hit. Replace each laser with a laser that has a sold white/bluish core with electricity streaming from it.

ImpFighter: In the last pic I see a tiling/matte problem on the planet's surface. Its me or IT is wrong?

-Angel

 

I do like the sparky bolt thing, great stuff.

vaderios said:

As I promised:

Notice that the Motion blur adds "something" and reduces from spaceship's plastic look.

-Angel

PS just ignore the brush i accidentally put in the 3rd row of pics :S

 

That looks cool but I think the Emperor's cast offs would be in a museum to his greatness on Coruscant (like the Royal Yacht Britannia in Leith) that said we don't know how many of these things were built back then and it might have belonged to some also ran in the rise of the Empire.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, please don't change the space sluggs teeth to resemble a more cave like structure.  I have never had a problem with the teeth in my whole life of watching Empire. I would rather you take the slugg out over changing the teeth. In fact, the slugg has no business existing in the vacuum of space.

 

Just a thought, but you could always remove the lines about Han and Leia talking about it.

Dog fights in space making sounds in a vacuum make no sense either but as I said it's space fantasy not science fiction.

It's Jonah in the greate fyshe, it's Gilgamesh and Pinocchio in the whale but the scene should make narrative sense ( ang on a mo...I thought I wasn't going to post on this subject anymore...why did the Goddess make me a nerd?).

TheBoost said:

I'm confused by the 'remove Boba' sentiment.

Excluding the EU, Boba was a minor, albiet cool looking, character in Empire, who acheived what he did by being clever and sneaky, not by being badass.

In Jedi he's hanging out at Jaba's opium den flirting with dames, (a SE addition i dig) and when some action goes down, he doesn't accomplish much except dying.

It's a minor comeupance for a minor villain. I dig it. A memorable goon who dies a memorable goon death.

The only niggle I have with Fett in ROTJ is that he's a bounty hunter not a bodyguard, so you'd think he'd be out there hunting some bounty instead of kicking his heels in Chez Jabba.

There again he could have been just dropping off or picking up orders and got caught up in drama of it all.

I'd still like him to have a more dignified end (I'm in the beheading camp myself Luke did it in a dream so it would make sense that he could do it reality, having blind Han tap him on the jet pack sending him off screaming like a jessy is such a let down).

+++UPDATE+++

It appears ChainsawAsh and I are not only singing from the similar hymn sheets but are almost in harmony.

ChainsawAsh said:

Different Shuttle Class for Tydyrium. Definately yes. "Parts and Technical" use the same class of ship as the EMPEROR?!

Oh, NOW I get it!  Yeah, that makes sense.  Maybe make the Tydyrium the same as the shuttle we see in ESB travelling from one Star Destroyer to another?

I think Adywan is fixing that for ESB:R (correct me if I'm wrong folks) so it's the same as the shuttles in ROTJ.

It would make sense to have it the same as the Imperial transporter thing in ANH SE, that seemed to be dropping off equipment not just carrying personnel and I imagine the cockpit configuration would be the same.

I would love to see the Emperor arrive in something else again, gloss black or red (to match his honour guard) would be cool

 something that shouts "I'm the bleedin Emperor by the way! And if you try it on with me I'll take that death stick...shove it up your ass...and light it!" (the Ferrari of the shuttle fleet with a bit of Manfred von Richthofen on the side).

Another aborted script idea was to have the Emperor arrive in his throne room as he takes the same chambers from one world to the next (another rip-off from Dune) it might of worked but I can't see it with the throne room we finally got in ROTJ.