Bingowings

TheBoost said:

ChainsawAsh said:

Bingowings was thinking more of what I was concerned about - how we would make it clear that Fett sold the information to the Rebels.

And that's not a half-bad idea, either.

 

 How did Boba know where the Death Star was?

Vader told him or let him know is the obvious choice, he wants Palpatine and the Rebeliion wiped out and for Luke to be his apprentice, Palpatine knows all about this but the Death Star is fully functioning and caught between the Imperial fleet and the Death Star they will be wiped out, Luke be be his apprentice and Vader will be out of the way.

But does the audience really need to know?

Boba Fett is a bounty hunter and a tracker, the rebels can hire him just as much as anyone else.

You can stick the backstory in the new novelisation.

ChainsawAsh said:

That's an interesting idea, but I don't know how you'd get it across using existing footage.

A shot of Slave One heading off into space, A shot of Slave One heading towards the Rebel fleet, a shot of Fett hanging around in the background of the briefing out of sight of Han and the rest and no mention of the Bothan spies.

Leia : "I hope it's worth the price we paid" 

vaderios I'm sure, could knock out some wonderful mock ups.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

There IS the option of having him at Jabba's at first and then use some exterior of the palace with Fett's ship leaving in the background. That way he's gone from the sail barge fight...

Just in time to sell the Death Star/Emperor location to the Rebels?

Ziz said:

Bingowings said:

Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)

 

Or Matt Groening.

 

I wonder what it would look like in yellow?

Only joking.

"Stay On Target!"

vaderios said:

teharri said:

I think I have mentioned it before , but I would love to see an update to the ION cannon blast in the hoth battle. I would like to see the laser beam look taken out and replaced with a more electrical bursts with a few added elctricity volts comming from the star destroyer that takes the hit. Replace each laser with a laser that has a sold white/bluish core with electricity streaming from it.

ImpFighter: In the last pic I see a tiling/matte problem on the planet's surface. Its me or IT is wrong?

-Angel

 

I do like the sparky bolt thing, great stuff.

vaderios said:

As I promised:

Notice that the Motion blur adds "something" and reduces from spaceship's plastic look.

-Angel

PS just ignore the brush i accidentally put in the 3rd row of pics :S

 

That looks cool but I think the Emperor's cast offs would be in a museum to his greatness on Coruscant (like the Royal Yacht Britannia in Leith) that said we don't know how many of these things were built back then and it might have belonged to some also ran in the rise of the Empire.

AuggieBenDoggie said:

Ady, please don't change the space sluggs teeth to resemble a more cave like structure.  I have never had a problem with the teeth in my whole life of watching Empire. I would rather you take the slugg out over changing the teeth. In fact, the slugg has no business existing in the vacuum of space.

 

Just a thought, but you could always remove the lines about Han and Leia talking about it.

Dog fights in space making sounds in a vacuum make no sense either but as I said it's space fantasy not science fiction.

It's Jonah in the greate fyshe, it's Gilgamesh and Pinocchio in the whale but the scene should make narrative sense ( ang on a mo...I thought I wasn't going to post on this subject anymore...why did the Goddess make me a nerd?).

TheBoost said:

I'm confused by the 'remove Boba' sentiment.

Excluding the EU, Boba was a minor, albiet cool looking, character in Empire, who acheived what he did by being clever and sneaky, not by being badass.

In Jedi he's hanging out at Jaba's opium den flirting with dames, (a SE addition i dig) and when some action goes down, he doesn't accomplish much except dying.

It's a minor comeupance for a minor villain. I dig it. A memorable goon who dies a memorable goon death.

The only niggle I have with Fett in ROTJ is that he's a bounty hunter not a bodyguard, so you'd think he'd be out there hunting some bounty instead of kicking his heels in Chez Jabba.

There again he could have been just dropping off or picking up orders and got caught up in drama of it all.

I'd still like him to have a more dignified end (I'm in the beheading camp myself Luke did it in a dream so it would make sense that he could do it reality, having blind Han tap him on the jet pack sending him off screaming like a jessy is such a let down).

+++UPDATE+++

It appears ChainsawAsh and I are not only singing from the similar hymn sheets but are almost in harmony.

ChainsawAsh said:

Different Shuttle Class for Tydyrium. Definately yes. "Parts and Technical" use the same class of ship as the EMPEROR?!

Oh, NOW I get it!  Yeah, that makes sense.  Maybe make the Tydyrium the same as the shuttle we see in ESB travelling from one Star Destroyer to another?

I think Adywan is fixing that for ESB:R (correct me if I'm wrong folks) so it's the same as the shuttles in ROTJ.

It would make sense to have it the same as the Imperial transporter thing in ANH SE, that seemed to be dropping off equipment not just carrying personnel and I imagine the cockpit configuration would be the same.

I would love to see the Emperor arrive in something else again, gloss black or red (to match his honour guard) would be cool

 something that shouts "I'm the bleedin Emperor by the way! And if you try it on with me I'll take that death stick...shove it up your ass...and light it!" (the Ferrari of the shuttle fleet with a bit of Manfred von Richthofen on the side).

Another aborted script idea was to have the Emperor arrive in his throne room as he takes the same chambers from one world to the next (another rip-off from Dune) it might of worked but I can't see it with the throne room we finally got in ROTJ.

Naturally all the mock-ups shown here are mock-ups, they aren't puppets or 3D CGI models, just rough and ready illustrations of basic ideas (this one I think has merit but may be not to Adywan's taste or within the realms of what he can fit into his already busy schedule).

We are just throwing out ideas here for anyone (but in this case specifically Adywan) to use or not use because we want to help.

That's what makes coming on here fun.

doubleofive said:

12. Add AT-AT to ground battle. Impossible.

Not impossible just bloody hard work which Adywan might not want to bother with but somebody else might.

ChainsawAsh said:

12. Add AT-AT to ground battle. Don't see the point.  So, no.

Because it's there, because it's a powerful weapon and because it would look amazing if it could be done.

HotRod said:

Bingowings said:

OK my last post on this subject but I had a go myself and though it's not up to Vaderlos' high standard but here goes :

BEFORE :

AFTER :

 

Haha...How's that thing ever going to close it's mouth??

 

 

Good question (an overbite only a Brit could come up with)

The shot of Anakin makes him look even more pretty (talk about Florance of Arabia). To be a Sith lord and be taken seriously he would need to wear the mask even without barbecue.

Some of these re-colour jobs are so great and I would really love to see the footage done this way.

When it comes to the Sarlacc while I'm not too keen on the Little Shop Of Horrors stylings of the SE version I think George did have a point about it just sitting there.

Perhaps when the barge arrives at the Pit Of Carkoon there is just a pit covered with sand.

As the skiff approaches the pit the Sarlacc pushes up out of the sand and tries to reach for it like the giant squid in Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.

It's still anchored to the desert floor (so not as mobile as the sand worms in Dune) but it can move about a bit, especially when the skiff gets damaged (it would be fun if it pulled people off the wrecked skiff with even longer tentacles in a more convincing manner).

Star Wars has too many Venus Flytrap style opportunist feeders (see the great space slug debate on the ESB:R thread) and I'm sure we could keep the frankly obscene design ethic of the OUT Sarlacc but pimp up it's action potential.

The logo designs look a treat.

I can't wait to see what the crawls would finally look like.

OK my last post on this subject but I had a go myself and though it's not up to Vaderlos' high standard but here goes :

BEFORE :

AFTER :

ChainsawAsh said:

11.Redub the Rebel pilot line: "Copy, Gold Leader". Why?

Because he looks and sounds like he was just shoved into the cockpit and ordered to read the line under pain of not getting a mug of tea.

WheresBlackhawk said:

mrbenja0618, if you read my synopsis a few pages back, Beru does play a part, not MAJOR, but I would still say she is important.

Bingowings - Yes, I've been thinking about moving up the introduction of not-padme.  I'm not sure we need more royalty, but I was kind of fond of her being Bail's woman.  Way back someone mentioned that Bail wasn't on Alderaan when his father is killed, because he has no intrest in being king.  How about this as part of my synopsis?

Obiwan and Anakin track down Bail's entourage.  A woman cuts them off from entering the room and questions why they need to see Bail.  Anakin tries to be smooth and ease his way past her.  She clocks him and he hits the ground HARD.  She repeats, " I asked...nicely...What's your business here?"   Obiwan explains that it has to do with Bail's father and then helps Anakin to his feet, "Didn't see that one coming?"  Anakin replies, "You show me any man who can read a woman." Obiwan smile, "Come on." As they are led into the room, Anakin rubs his pain and whispers to Obiwan, "I think I'm in love."

When they speak to Bail, Obiwan tells him calmly about the invasion of Alderaan.  Bail is shocked and doesn't know what to do.  Obiwan says that he should come with them to Coruscant. His droid, c3p0, tells him that it is his responsibility as the new king to survive and should NOT put himself into harm's way.  Anakin makes an impassioned speech about how it is his responsibility to help his people.  They should be placed before even his own life.  Bail doesn't seem to be interested in putting ANYTHING before HIS life.  When the woman from the entrance sides with Obiwan and Anakin and Bail notice a glance shared between her and Anakin, hehanges his tune and decides to go with them (only to impress her).

This way we can have an interesting arc for Bail.  He can start as a reluctant leader who doesn't really care for his people (not a jerk, just someone who would rather be free of ANY responsibility) and grow into that man who would kneel before the emperor for the good of his people and still be part of the rebellion behind the emperor's back for the good of ALL.

Sophia wasn't of high enough rank and to marry the Archduke which caused a scandal which resulted in the security being taken off their visit to Sarajevo and allowed their assassination to happen (starting World War I) so I'm ok with her being not a very high aristocrat but I'd prefer her to be high enough for Bail to know her well enough to be interested.

++NEW THOUGHTS ALONG THESE LINES++

What if Notpadme survives all the way passed the creation of the Empire only to be assassinated in a reverse JFK scene when Leia is about 3yrs old.

Palpatine could hire some "famous bounty hunter" to knock her off (pushing Anakin further off the edge) and make it look like a botched attempt to take out Viceroy Antilles on his coronation day and blame it on the Rebels (it would give bucket head something to do more in his idiom than being a cell donor or playing bodyguard to a giant slug).

That would add some irony to Vader hiring him in Episode V.

+++END OF LINE+++

Padme in the original trilogy is a part time Queen in a very odd form of monarchy. It lends a sense of credibilty to a fantasy if it's based on structures grounded in reality, who's heard of a monarchy of elected little girls?

Princes do marry showgirls but it's very rare.

Il ove your idea of Bail being a reluctant Viceroy it adds depth to his character.

TheBoost said:

darthmunky said:

Yeah, I think the whole dancing number should be taken out.

Also, why do people dislike the ring in planet/DS explosions?

 

 I don't dislike it for what it is, but it seemed that Star Wars, which was ringless (which is just fine by me) decided to copy Stargate and whoever. Star Wars needs to copy NO ONE!

The ring is arbitrary. No reason an exploding planet needs a ring, except that they were biting off Stargate.

I think it would be much more interesting to see the second Death Star burning before it blows and for it to have a spherical shock wave but as I suggested in my mega post, rather than destroying the Death Star deflection shield I'd have it switched to protect the moon thus avoiding the Endor holocaust scenario.

Seeing lumps of debris bouncing off a planetary shield would look interesting and unique and it would make better story sense.

Something that size blowing up so close to Endor would be a disaster even in a fantasy film, the original Death Star was far away from Yavin IV and Yavin would have scooped up the worst of the debris but Mk2 is in a low orbit around the moon and it's supposed to be bigger.

ben_danger said:

I like to think back the original titles

STAR WARS

the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK

RETURN of the JEDI

but the new ones are all a bit, well, either:

PHANTOM MENACE   - too criptic for what should be a punchy first off title (still stand by 'the star wars as a title if we are to pretend its the first film.:P, but understand if thats unpopular!)

ATTACK of the CLONES   -I thought was fine, except its not really that true for the film. the clones attack the badguys, and they dont even appear until the end! SHROUD of the DARKSIDE was so much better! As the film is much more of a romantic thriller, something mysterious is better. perhaps even 'the phantom menace!'

REVENGE of the SITH   -I was SO disappointed by this title, its just a rehash of REVENGE OF THE JEDI title that preceded RETURN OF THE JEDI.

 

Personally if i was to think of another name, something without 'of the' in the middle would be awesome.

 

The Clone War would be great title, but the war doesnt really happen until the end. It would have been better if AOTC was episode I, then a CLONE WAR film was episode II that could allow episode III to not be so rushed...oh well...;P

 

A New Hope sounds fine as an episode IV title (the film doesn't have Star Wars in it just on battle and a few skirmishes).

The Empire Strikes Back makes sense, I'd have called Episode VI The Return Of The Jedi personally as it underlines both the return of the order and the return of a particular Jedi (but it's a minor quibble).

The Phantom Menace, sort of works but sort of doesn't, the major turning point here is the return of the Sith (which make a good bookend title in itself) and the invasion of Naboo (which almost works too) I quite like Attack From The Shadows as the Sith are acting in the shadows and are making a first move rather than out and out war.

Attack Of The Clones really doesn't work, the main plot point is Seperatist movement so I'd go for something like On Worlds Divided. That covers the Seperatists and sounds a bit like "By The Sword Divided" a civil war drama, it also covers the divided son and mother, the seperate worlds of Anakin and Padme, politics and the Jedi faith.

Revenge Of The Sith works rather well but the main drama is the fall of the republic, the fall of Anakin, the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. Rise Of The Sith bookends Episode VI much better than the Revenge because we never really found out why the Sith wanted revenge in the first place but we know why they want to rise to power and if they rise all others must fall (and like Jedi it refers to the order and a specific member of that order).

vaderios said:

The only proof of how the shields look is here, and in a brief moment in TPM:

I dont like this. Its too specific and the energy like thing is too common. I love/d the invisible something that surrounding the ships and the only indication of it are the shots that explodes before they hit.

darthmunky said:

What about the Gungan bubble shields in TPM

 

Right But I was refering to the Ships deflector shilelds. You have a point :) Imagine a nightmare of that shield placed in Hoth battle :S

 

 

 

-Angel

 

I've copied this over from the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread.

It would be nice to have the Gungan shield become invisible after activation and only be visable when something smacks into it.

This would tie in more with the OT.

gypsysun said:

Regarding Jabba's palace... I feel like Ady will have to cut Sy Snootles out entirely. Of course the SE version looks like some bullshit from Shrek, but the original puppet was beyond awful as well; I can't see it allowing for convincing 'cantina-ization'.

But we call all agree that Lapti Nek, is superior to, or at least less distracting than the abomination that is 'Jedi Rocks'.

Perhaps it's possible to make a combination of both Sy's and both tunes and make the band and the song both suitably debauched and convincingly alien.

TheBoost said:

vaderios said:

The inner stalagmites are placed to make a point. It gives an other depth of field.Like you said Ady has the last word here.

-Angel

 

 Silly quibble, but since stalagmites and tites are formed by water dripping, an asterioid with no liquid water or gravity wouldn't have any.

I always liked the space slug. I don't think it needs any tweaking.

"There's an awful lot of moisture in here."

Besides as I said earlier Star Wars isn't science fiction, it's space fantasy so the creatures don't have to make scientific sense but have to make narrative sense.

The mouth doesn't have to function as a real mouth but it should resemble both a mouth and a cave entrance (Han is an experienced pilot he wouldn't have flown into the thing if he thought it looked like a space alien on the way in, Leia isn't an experienced pilot but she isn't an idiot and she still thinks it's a cave on the way out).

When you think cave you think stalagmites (well at least most people do, if you don't believe me google "cave" and see what images you'll get) so why not have the teeth look more like stalagmites?

But it's Adywan's call.

OzoneSherrif said:

no. terrible ideas

It is just a quickly thrown together mock-up, I think the idea makes sense and could be done well but as always it's up to Adywan if he wants to do it or not.

lordjedi said:

DF Shadow said:

 

 

^^ Yes, yes yes.................iMo this would be awesome.

 

Imagine how sinister that crooked mug would look closing from the inside PoV............great idea.

Ack!  Why is this being changed?  Or is it just being talked about?  I haven't been keeping up, so if someone can point me to the page where it was discussed, I'll read about it there first.

IMO, this doesn't need to be changed at all.  Actually, IMO, most of the changes that have been discussed don't need to be done.

 

Just scroll back a few pages lazybones ;-)

TMBTM said:

Restore Yub Nub. Axia Euxines opinion : NO, SE music is SOOO much better

Agree. That music is one of the few good things from the SE.

 

Attempt to morph Shaw and Christensen into the Anakin Force Ghost. Axia Euxines opinion : have Christensen show up first then fade into Shaw

Nice idea to think about but I don't see it working in the end, either way.

The celebration theme is better in the SE but it's still a bit twee (at least the pan pipes will prevent a giant guinea pig invasion from spoiling the festivities).

As I said in my mega post many pages back, there must be a piece of music that fits this scene even better (a mix of the force theme and the celebration march from ANH sounds ideal).

I really want to keep creepy Anakin off the page put Seb Shaw back where he belongs.