Bingowings

In the original treatment for Revenge Of The Jedi there were TWO Death Stars being built as seen in this production painting :

It might also be a fun addition to an alternative version to have Jejerrod being presurred into completing one Death Star (the one the Rebels know about) but the Emperor overseeing the construction of a different Death Star.

The audience is lead to expect that they are the same Death Star until Luke notices when looking out of the window as the station moves that the battlestation he is now on is not the one that the battle is taking place near.

Moving the line "you have paid the price for your lack of vision" so it takes place before "the Alliance will die"  would add a heck of a punch to Luke's near flip to the dark side.

It would also add weight to the Emperor's line "We are quite safe from your friends here".

This one is mobile and is moved into the battle once the Rebels are pinned in between the other Death Star and the fleet.

The Emperor orders Jejerrod to fire from his Death Star while the other moves in and fires into the battle from the other side.

"There are too many of them!" can now be replaced with a line from TPM "Now there are two of them!" .

Because Lando has moved the Rebel fleet close to the Imperial one almost as many Imperial ships are being destroyed by the Death Stars as Rebel ships because the gunners can't pick a target.

Piett finally has had enough of Sith Lords and orders an attack on the second Death Star and rams into the uncomplete section (after the Emperor has been killed) so now the Executor goes down for a very good reason (saving the Admiral's fleet) and peace between the Imperials and the Rebels is more believable because during the battle they both end up fighting on for their lives against a common enemy.

Jejerrod seeing the end is up tries to turn his Death Star onto the forest moon, wiping out both the Rebels and the mutineers but the Rebels destroy the reactor before this can be accomplished.

These changes are a bit out there but they would make the film much more different than just a rehash of ANH and a bit closer to what Jedi originally was going to be.

vaderios said:

No way!

Vadman! :)

 

-Angel

WheresBlackhawk said:

Sigh...it appears everyone's interest has waned.

I think the problem here is people seem to be running before they have even evolved lungs.

There are already some great ideas on here but it's sort of descended into concerned posts from people who don't like specific ideas or want to animate it in a specific way, when there isn't even enough put down to make one solid story (let alone three) and picking the animation style is something you do when you pretty much have a finished script (not before).

If people are serious about doing this sort of thing those that are should go read this thread from top to toe, pick the ideas they like, write a story treatment, see if any of the responses to it are useful and then press onto a full script.

Then cast the audio recording and resource sound effects etc and then set a house style that volunteers can work to so if people drop out of the project other people can pick it up without changing the look and the thing can get finished.

This thread should be stage one (pulling for ideas).

Stage two should be picking the story treatment (there could be more than one project).

Stage three polishing various scripts and tightening every bolt and pre-production.

Stage four production and post production work.

If you have a plan you have a chance of pulling it off.

If you just meander around nothing will be done.

With Adywan's projects their are about four threads losely or closely associated with them (some cross over to other projects too but on the whole they are energised by the Revisited versions).

ESB:R is still some time away and there is a lot of people working on providing ideas that Ady might use on not only ROTJ:R and the prequels and they are years away.

Those projects are based on films that have already been made once, the acting has been done, it been designed and filmed and still those projects are pulling out ideas only some of which will actually be realised by anyone not just Adywan.

Here there is one thread devoted to a project where nothing exists yet (which can be liberating but can also be very devisive).

If this thread begins to dry up put it on the back burner for a bit and just write the thing and come back with something concrete that people can add to and illustrate with pictures and the like.

But if you chaps are serious about getting this done don't give up.

"Do or do not, there is no try"

Lightsabre colour is not an issue for these films as Luke has either a blue or green sabre and Vader has a red one (or a pink one on the DVD versions) it's only an issue for discussion in relation to the prequels and there it's up to whatever the editors want to do with their edits (there are a lot of different projects and some people may want to change them and others may want to keep them the same).

AxiaEuxine said:

The idea of a secret love between Padme and Obi-wan has got to be one of the WORST ideas floated on these boards in a long time. The fact that they didnt do it, an obvious plot development is just another thing that the prequels did right.

 

That trailer was well edited but NO!

Oh I agree that a real secret love would be naff beyond words but manipulating Anakin into believing that there was one when there wasn't has potential. The idea has been around the block a few times but so has almost every element in the Star Wars story.

It could push Anakin's already paranoid mind further off the edge.

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

Octorox said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3roDTVzfgrA

 

wow

 

I'd really like to know where they got that shot of Obi and Padme. I'd love to use it in an altered Anakin dream sequence

I suspected that this sort of thing would turn up in the prequels it was a bit of a surprise that it had not (not necessarily an actual romance between Padme and Obi-Wan but more Anakin becoming so paranoid about losing her that he would leap to that conclusion).

 

well perhaps we could put it in Anakin's dream and return the scene where Palp plants seeds of mistrust in Padme. Then Palp would be even more like an Iago character.

 

It's such a shame that Luke and Leia weren't both blondes, then we could have put in a bit of cross-dressing and got the full Shakespearean set (then Boussh was supposed to be a male wasn't he/she?).

It would also be nice if we got to see the Battle of Coruscant rage on the surface as well as in space like here (not my work by the way) :

Octorox said:

Bingowings said:

gavin77 said:

Still no Adywan......hope that brother is ok.......

He is prolly busy having a life and working on this Star Wars thing he's been dabbling with in his spare time, I hope he is ok too but then I hope we all are all the time.

 

 

It's interesting because his profile says he was online just a few minutes ago...

He could be perminantly logged in.

In which case everytime he comes online it would register as being online here even if he is too busy to read the posts.

Maybe he takes a peep now and then but just wants to get on with ESB:R without having any more ideas argued about hither and dither.

"Do or do not there is no debating with a committee"

Octorox said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3roDTVzfgrA

 

wow

 

I'd really like to know where they got that shot of Obi and Padme. I'd love to use it in an altered Anakin dream sequence

I suspected that this sort of thing would turn up in the prequels it was a bit of a surprise that it had not (not necessarily an actual romance between Padme and Obi-Wan but more Anakin becoming so paranoid about losing her that he would leap to that conclusion).

gavin77 said:

Still no Adywan......hope that brother is ok.......

He is prolly busy having a life and working on this Star Wars thing he's been dabbling with in his spare time, I hope he is ok too but then I hope we all are all the time.

doubleofive said:

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

 

 Woah...this could be a good idea...hmmm

Its a shame a bunch of fans sitting in a forum had to come up with that connection.

To be fair George (if he did write it and not Tom Stoppard) only came up with the line a few years back so he couldn't have made the connection if he wanted to.

AxiaEuxine said:

I say leave all the blades as the are

It's a prequel issue really as there are only red and green in ROTJ and Red and Blue in ESB (and hardly anyone is talking about that film on this thread anymore).

ben_danger said:

AxiaEuxine said:

OK I was kind of skimming through this thread and dont really want to read 1,000,000 posts. Whats with this lightsaber blade color thing? Why change all the prequel blades? Thats a horrible idea.

 

the idea is PT jedi and basically any old republic era jedi have blue, and luke makes a green sabre for ROTJ symbolising the birth of the new jedi order.

 

PT jedi could have alternative blues, deep CLONE WARS blues, turqoises, light blues like ANH, cyans etc.

It could be argued that green is a colour associated with spring and rejuvenation so it would make sense on a symbolic level to have the old sabres blue during the winter and death of the old order and green in the spring and rebirth the new Jedi order.

Sith have blood red.

Should the new order thrive and reach greater heights than the old they could become yellow heralding in a golden age (and everyone should get worried again when they turn brown/orange).

ben_danger said:

what if ghost yoda was in bens hut too? wouldnt make much sence, but if the dialogue from the beginning was cut/changed. additional dialogue could be used later if he appears as a ghost. alternatively he could just appear silently.

I think Luke would just associate that place with Ben and seeing Yoda's ghost so early would detract from his appearence at the end with his saved father.

In a way taking Ben away from Dagobah helps affirm Yoda's link to his home too.

In ESB we heard Ben's voice and saw him for a few seconds but really Dagobah is Yoda's domain so having Ben wandering around it seems a bit weird (on Hoth Ben could just float for a few seconds).

If it could be done I'd try dubbing Yoda's repeat of his first lesson to Luke while he is dying so instead of saying "Once you start down the Dark path etc..." He says the lines from ROTS "Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not" (it may be impossible to modulate and break up the line to get that near death performance but I'll give it a go).

Yoda is sensing that Luke's doubts are growing now that he is losing his teacher, Ben later reminds him not to underestimate Vader and the Emperor.

Luke got the dark path lesson in ESB he hasn't received that nugget of wisdom from Yoda yet and it would be a sensible parallel with Anakin's fear of losing his wife and Luke's fear of losing his sister being the pivots on which their anger and potential to do evil balance.

vaderios said:

Who wants flying heads?

I want FATALITIES

-Angel ;)

The top left original does seem to be the Bohemian Rhapsody video of lightsabre blades, it's all over the place, good work commander!

ben_danger said:

it would be awesome if that were the only green sabre in the whole saga.

 

i noticed the chestplate!

 And the belt buckle too great work ain't? I did notice ergo the cock-up statement.

The colour thing is even more daft in my opinion.

 VADER'S THOUGHT BUBBLE : "Mmm a green blade...nobody thought of that one before...he must be stronger than all those other Jedi I killed. This is going to be a tough cookie to crack, I'll just get him in a corner and tell him that Princess he's been snogging is his sister, that'll do it! I mean, it's not likely to be true but he seems the kind of kid that'll fall for that sort of thing...still green blade. Green, why did it have to be Green?"

vaderios said:

One more...

-Angel

Jedi seems to be riddled with cock-ups like this.

It's certainly the contractual obligation album of the OT.

I'd remove the "indeed you are powerful as the Emperor has foreseen." bit from that scene.

I know the EU has made a big thing of Lightsabre construction but it does reduce Jedi Knighthood to the level of home improvement.

The skills bit can stay as building a laser sword from scratch takes skill but the end of the line sounds silly.

I've been listening to the ROTJ radio version to see if there is anything that can be pinched from there.

The acting is rather variable, sadly not a patch on the other two but there is one added plotline that could add a bit of impact to the movie.

Vader is fully aware that Luke and/or his friends would attempt to rescue Han so they have Imperial ships observing Tatooine for any sign of a rescue.

To give cover for the Falcon and Luke's escape Artoo patched into Jabba's computer network to send a warning to his employees that the Empire are clamping down and have death warrants causing a mass exodus of Bounty Hunters and the like (the bounty hunters escaping would be difficult to achieve without new live action footage but an Imperial blockade makes immediate plot sense and wouldn't need much in the way of exposition).

It would give Luke's return to Tatooine a bit of a punch if he had to shoot his way in and out, as I said earlier it seems a shame that we don't see Luke the pilot in the final episode, just Luke the knight.

It would underline how desperate Vader is to get at Luke before Palpatine does.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that two random droids coming to a gangster's palace with a message from someone who's a friend of a current prisoner would be commandeered and put to work.  I don't have a problem with the lack of the message - the point of the message was to A) communicate to the audience that Luke is now a Jedi, and b) remind the audience that Solo is imprisoned.  In our theoretical edit, both of these things have already been clearly communicated through Boussh's delivery of Chewie, where Jabba shows off Solo, and through Luke's conversation with dying Yoda.  In this edit, the message is redundant, but we still need the droids there for the sail barge part.

Not exactly because sending the droids of as a gift deliberately puts the droids into position take away the message and the audience doesn't know why Luke sent them there and their capture will seem more of an accident than part of a plot on Luke's part.

Besides the message show's that Luke gave diplomacy a chance and used violence as the last remaining option (short of leaving Han where he was and letting Leia get herself killed or worse still captured and trained by the Emperor).

 

I'm not trying to promote myself but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOnxPTb9sP0&feature=channel_page

This might address some of the things you've brought up...

Yes it's rough, it's meant to illustrate a concept not wow an audience so I'm fine with that.

It does demonstate that to get the scene to work Ben really needs to be indoors or at least near some rocks, his sitting down in thin air looks very wierd (I know he's a ghost so he doesn't need to sit down but sadly George/Sir Alec/Mark/Mr Marquand etc didn't think that through).

I will try to fiddle about with the film myself and put it onto Youtube and compare the various approaches suggested here (and mine will probably look as slick as yours, maybe not even as slick it will be almost my first attempt at this sort of thing).

TMBTM said:

 but I guess it is kind of ridicules that it took about 20 years to make the first one and like 3 years to make the 2nd bigger one

Mmm, maybe we could say that the first Death Star took three years to build also. It is just its "destroyer of world" ultimate weapon that is not fully operational yet at the begining of ANH. Maby the Death Star was a secret base for the Empire for a long time.

I am not a Lucas apologist here, I just try to (desperately) find a solution.

"Until this battle station is fully operation, we are vulnerable" and that was days before it's first firing on Alderaan.

The only way of keeping the Death Star being built in ROTS is to have the second one also being built roughly about the same time, Death Star One, is Fatman to Death Star Two's Little Boy ( I mean in terms of when they are built not in size as DS2 is meant to bigger which would also slow it's building down).

Resources may have been focused on getting the first one finished at a later stage, halting progress on the second one and using the first Death Star to iron out the bugs in the systems.

Diverging a bit onto a different issue, just adding eyelids to the Ewoks does make them more like real creatures :

ChainsawAsh said:

I don't think it's ridiculous to assume that two random droids coming to a gangster's palace with a message from someone who's a friend of a current prisoner would be commandeered and put to work.  I don't have a problem with the lack of the message - the point of the message was to A) communicate to the audience that Luke is now a Jedi, and b) remind the audience that Solo is imprisoned.  In our theoretical edit, both of these things have already been clearly communicated through Boussh's delivery of Chewie, where Jabba shows off Solo, and through Luke's conversation with dying Yoda.  In this edit, the message is redundant, but we still need the droids there for the sail barge part.

Not exactly because sending the droids of as a gift deliberately puts the droids into position take away the message and the audience doesn't know why Luke sent them there and their capture will seem more of an accident than part of a plot on Luke's part.

Besides the message show's that Luke gave diplomacy a chance and used violence as the last remaining option (short of leaving Han where he was and letting Leia get herself killed or worse still captured and trained by the Emperor).

That hits on another problem if the message is never delivered how do the droids get into position to play their part (not that Threepio does much) in the rescue?

Jawa's snatching droids is one thing but I can't believe Jabba or even his cronies would would do something like that.

Sticking the Emperor's arrival so early it does cram in even more exposition at the start and there already is a fair wack but the dialogue does seem to demand it (point taken about keeping the acts seperate but we got a lot of cutting back to Tarkin in ANH and that didn't hurt much).

My instincts say.

Yoda or Vader first (and it's really much of a muchness which) something that could be weighed up by doing a dummy edit.

Yoda or Vader second (depending on what happened first).

Then Luke on Tatooine (in whatever form is possible)

Then the Emperor arriving, then droids, then Boussh, then the rescue, the briefing,  (for those who want the Boba Fett plot part one goes before Leia revives Han but after Chewie gets dropped off, Part two takes place just before the briefing).

Having Yoda first though means that you don't get two Luke scenes right next to each other (you do get a evening followed by a morning with the droids but ANH had that sort of thing anyway).

TMBTM said:

Obi pictures, on Tatooine,  are nice but I think that to make the job easier and more realistic, that scene should be at night. With only few light inside Obi's hut, to fit better with the characters.

Once again a really nice idea on paper, firstly because when Luke started his journey it was in the bright glow of a youth looking to the future with some optimism and now he's a seasoned and slightly broken older man looking to the future with understandable dread, and we haven't seen Ben's hut in the dark so it would look familiar but different.

But if mixing one scene to the location of another is hard enough try doing it when the location was never recorded lit for night, it would make an already difficult job almost impossible.

Though I will give it a try, naturally ;-)

Not as bad as I thought and I'm getting better at the shimmer (even if it has shaved the top of Ben's hairpiece off) maybe you experts out there can do it better?