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It reminds me of the ESB comic book version of the Emperor's hologram.

There he looked like a black shadow of a monk (really spooky), I wonder if any has any scans?

Monroville said:

Ladies and Gents, we are forgetting something here:

There is a completely different thread for all of this ANH:R stuff!  The past 20 PAGES have been about ANH:R!  While I feel the same way and love the edit, there is a different place to:

(1) spread the love

(2) ask for download links, references, clues, etc

(3) discuss any problems with edit, downloading said edit, etc.

This is supposed to be strickly regarding the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: REVISITED edit and suggestions as to how to do that edit if Ady wants to consider them (by strickly I mean how a football stadium is strickly for football: still plenty of room to move around in, but still all about football or some other sporting activity other than racing cars).

Again, I know I'm being an ass here, but the bigger this thread gets with things unrelated to what it is supposed to be, the harder it is going to be for Ady to sift through the posts and check them out.  Save the JEDI:REVISITED stuff for that thread when it's posted AFTER EMPIRE:REVISITED is finished and available for download. 

And Vaderios!  Where've you been!  We miss you!

I think you have your threads mixed up there Monroville, this is the ANH:R thread (i get a bit mixed up sometimes myself).

++update++

Looks like we all noticed at the same time :-)

Clearly they hoped they'd save money by doing the sequence infront of a glass painting (which actually does cast some realistic light reflections around) but then found that some of the angles didn't match up later and used an optical composite of a matte (only they didn't bother with the continuity as much as they should).

It looked great in 1980 but back then most people saw a film once or twice (not the umpty thrumpty zillion times we have all seen these films since).

Octorox said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

I could be off my rocker here, but I think there's a "door droid" in one of the new Clone Wars cartoons. That might be useful.

 

Yeah. I think they actually used it in a few episodes

Does it sound better?

There is one in the Jedi Outcast game which sounds roughly the same only fainter.

Another possible but very time consuming possibility would be to adjust the colour of Jedi outfits to look less like moisture farmers and more like the outfit Luke wears in ROTJ, something like this (only done better hint, hint to those up to the challenge):

Has Robot Chicken done an eye droid sketch yet? With all those little roundels to choose from they could have done a Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In style joke wall.

Ziz said:

Why re-record or replace any audio?  Just clip the laughter off the end of the eyestalk's line and be done with it.  Scanner effect would be nice if it was kept short and sweet...doesn't need to happen during the whole dialogue, just at the beginning.

I actually quite like the idea of it being on during the whole duration (though it should rotate, I should have traced some impact lines on the droids but I thought the illustration was enough to get the idea across).

There could be some fun to be had by adding a scan hum (a bit like the one used in the beginning of Aliens) or a whoor-whoor noise like the one in AOTC when the scanning laser is protecting Padme with R2 in the room.

Sluggo I love the idea of making it more abrupt (I don't speak Huttese and I'm sure neither does most of the audience) it might be possible to filter the existing material some more to make it more mechanical (the good ole ring modulator perhaps?).

Sluggo said:

corellian77 said:

Very nice digital matte extensions of Dagobah vaderios.  They do a lot to add depth to the exterior shots.

As BarBar Jinkx pointed out, though, in the shot of Luke looking back at Yoda, just before he attempts to lift the X-wing out of the water, wouldn't there be an open space behind the ship?  Refer to the first shot you showed us of the X-wing just after crashing... there's a ton of open space behind the ship where Luke put her down.

 

 Or maybe have the trees broken and sheared off?

We could all just pretend they are sheared off higher up (if the X-Wing hit the trunks at that speed I doubt it would have survived the crash, same goes for Luke and R2).

Sluggo said:

I got ya.  This is a great idea.  Since the door droid or scanner droid is speaking Huttese in the original, 3PO replies in kind.  If we change the Huttese to a probe droid like series of beeps and tones, should we keep 3PO lines the same or just swap them out for something in 'basic'?

I see your point, darn...I was hoping that the radio version would have the same dialogue in English, it does however have almost the same lines (said to Bib Fortuna, so an alternative performance from Daniels might be constructable). It might be easier to re-record the eye's lines, still in Huttese but in a menacing mechanical voice, minus the laugh (which is the most of putting bit in my view).

Sluggo said:

Interesting idea.  How would it fit with R2 and 3PO's dialogue?

Threepio is a translator droid so he understands it just as he understands R2 and the Falcon.

R2 reacts to the light change (has the scan noticed his hidden cargo?).

It makes the scene more menacing and mysterious from the door side but remains in character from the droids side.

Remember we get enough evidence of the whole of the conversation from just Threepio or the scene as it currently stands wouldn't make any sense.

The thing that doesn't work is the comedy coming from the doorside of the conversation which removes alot of the sense of danger from the scene and is an obvious nod to similar scene in "The Wizard Of Oz".

Rather than losing the eye robot altogether it might be cool to A) remove the speach and that laugh and replace it with a weird machine language like the probe droids and B) add a scanning laser which starts of as blue but see's red when has it's little run in with R2.

doubleofive said:

I love you all.  That pandown is incredible.  Yes, animate that GIF!

"R2 I've a feeling we're not in Humboldt County anymore"

That is beautiful work Vaderious. It would make a lovely animated downward panning GIF.

vaderios said:

The funny was that i had ready 3 diferent variations of activation from the gun but i had a Photoshop crash.

Anyways i see what i can do... :)

 

-Angel

I really like the rocket effect, it really adds to the impression that there are many variations of weapons being used.

vaderios said:

The deathstar should look like moon. so only light and some minor details should be visible.

plus the perspective we supposed to see the bottom of it and the shield dish should always point it.

I like your approach of total black it adds a dangerous silence but it lacks of dramatical atmosphere.

Same with the planet.

 

I ll try to do some mockups sometime later :)

 

-Angel

If the sky was pitch black the Death Star would reflect back a lot of light so it would glow (not quite as much as the moon but a lot more than we ever saw in the theatrical version). It's only in evening and morning that you would get the diffusion thus seen.

Arabic names are great and with a bit of a spelling change can look suitably Star Warseque.

Amirah means Princess or Leader,

Asiya means, one who tends to the weak, one who heals,

Manar means Guiding light ,

Japanese too has some nice sounding names which could keep their phonetic meaning with a spelling change.

Chiyo for example means a thousand generations (the length of time that the Jedi have protected the Republic).

The only good thing I can think of about going down the hologram route would be giving Vader the option to zoom in on Ozzel so he can see the breath squeeeeeezing out of him! (going on the I can't breath so why should you sadistic line of thinking) but personally I can't see it being a winner.

Once again forgive the rough edges and I don't really think it needs changing other than solving the transparency issue but you could just go for holograms of Ozzel and Piett and dispence with the screen altogether.

As for the other one "Asteroids do not concern me"  :-)

vaderios said:

I ve got you point. Still if 3PO is like a god to ewoks it can has more influence on them, even that they see the DS and stormies around. And its cool that luke can use his powers at last.

Also 3PO has bad reflections is these scenes :(

-Angel

Luke could use his powers and Ben's Krayt call over the top of the hologram, that would really freak the little bear folk out.

I quote myself now from wayyy back.

I do have a problem with Luke levitating Threepio being enough to scare the little buggers into letting our heroes go. For years now the Ewoks would have seen a strange moon growing in their sky, plastic men flying on metal bikes and firing lightning out their hands (laser guns not Sith magic), so would they be so scared of some golden boob floating around on a chair? Couldn't Luke pull off a more effective light show and spare us Threepio acting like Dr Smith in "Lost In Space"?

I've been thinking about what can be done here, couldn't Luke get R2 to project a hologram over Threepio of some alarming creature, the floating chair isn't enough, what with what the Ewoks had been seeing on their world around that time.

doubleofive said:

Honestly, I'm not sure about those particular eyelids.  Blinking, yes, but Greedo in ANHR didn't look so stoned. ;-)

I'm sure other eyelids are doable but Max as he stands looks like...well...a toy elephant and yes why not have him stoned out of his box he is a Jazz musician? Maybe he should have a Camberwell Carrot drooping ash out of his hand too.

Greedo looked like an alien to start with animating him just made him look more alive, the Ewoks and some of Jabba's court just look like cuddly playthings.

If I can get my computer to actually agree to edit anything (something I'm having problems with at the moment) I'm toying with replacing Jedi Rocks/Lapti Nek with some really sleazy stripper type music. I'd love to turn Jabba's palace into an alien private lap dancing club for the slug and his pals, that will be more in keeping with his character.

"If I medicined you, you'd think a Death Star superlaser was a birthday present."

vaderios said:

Yeah! it adds a drug addict character to him! perfectly  fitting into an enviroment like jabba's palace!

Good job :)

 

-Angel

The poor bugger has been smoking too many deathsticks and snorting spice up his trunk.

vaderios said:

You kidding me? I like it ! Can it be done?

 

-Angel

 He will join us or die my master...opps!

If someone can build and film the model why not?

Nothing is impossible just by various degrees more difficult.

Another experiment with eyelid addition.

BEFORE

 AFTER 

Siliconmaster482 said:

Wow- guess the buildings were easier to fix than I thought. Nice work.

Omne ignotum pro magnifico, Adywan's reputation as a miracle worker will suffer shipwreck if he is so candid with how he performs such feats.

It would be nice to use some of Ralph McQuarrie's other skiff designs to make the skiff battle a bit more like a maritime pirate battle.

Once again please excuse the crudity of this mock up I can't find his paintings so I'm having to drop in roughly coloured in versions of his line drawings.