Bingowings

The only way it could work is if you kept the important trio at the front and had ranks of Jedi appear behind them (thousands) but with the prominant prequel Jedi nearer to the front (a bit like the ghost army in Return Of The King).

That could work as a story detail because now Luke can call on the collective wisdom of all the Jedi that have gone before him but it might look very messy on screen and I'm pretty sure the story doesn't need it.

The Force is now in balance because there is just a master and an apprentice (which is why I still think if Luke trained his sister things would turn nasty in the Episode VII GL refuses to make) if Luke is getting permanant backup from thousands of dead Jedi that throws the balance off again to the light side (not unless they pinch another idea from Dune and have Luke/Leia be able to see dead Sith as well like Alia's ancestoral memories bringing back the Baron Harkhonnen).

In TPM there are thousands of Jedi and two Sith, a master and an apprentice, at the end of ROTS there are two Jedi and two Sith both master and apprentice. In ANH Ben takes an apprentice and Vader corrects the balance by removing Ben. In ROTJ Yoda dies correcting the balance Vader kills Palpatine but by returning to the lightside he has unbalanced the force again so he dies as well leaving just Luke to begin from scratch.

They could be just be turning up to say goodbye but that buggers up the line from Obi-wan, "Yoda will alway be with you".

I read it (after ROTJ but the signs are there) that Vader is sensing Leia and mistaking her for Luke, knowing Han helped Luke escape the Death Star and shot up his ship adds to the assumption that the person strong in the Force in that ship is Luke (when he finds he isn't there he improvises the trap at Bespin knowing that Luke will feel the pain of his friends).

What's in GL's canon or not doesn't really matter here.

All we need to ask is does it fit into the continuity of Adywan's edits and does it add anything positive to the look or feel of the projects individually and as a whole.

Johnny Ringo said:

Seems to be working fine for me, at least in firefox. Didn't have to jump through any hoops...

I was attempting to download them via Opera so under your recommendation I flipped over to Firefox and the popped up like a flash so thanks for that.

I am looking forward to giving these a good listen.

My only advice in terms of doing a visual version is avoid any shots of lips moving without speach, it really breaks the mood and is visually jarring (silent movie buffs will note that silent films with spoken scenes without speach cards at regular intervals look very strange).

If you want to keep up with the action replace those shots with conceptual art matching the scene.

On a side note could you use your music editing skills to produce a couple of variations of the Anakin theme which blend in pitch, pace and with element additions of The Imperial March etc, to reflect the change from the innocent boy of Episode One to the near Vader of the middle of Episode 3 (and perhaps even a triumphant version intercut with the Force theme for Anakin redeemed)?

This came up as a suggestion in the Radical Prequel Redux thread but might also come in handy for people re-editing ROTJ.

It would also be nice to have a longer form versions of the Imperial Motiff from ANH and the Droids motiff from ESB (two musical elements which sadly were not revisited in later films).

tlbauerle said:

Okay, Rob...

Here's the single for ANHv2, along with a special bonus track. Enjoy

 

 

 I also re-uploaded all the files. Let me know if there are any problems.

http://musicofstarwars.tripod.com

I assume I will have to register to obtain these sets as I just get to a generic page everytime.

JasonN said:

Bingowings said:

JasonN said:

Test composite for the last scene of Sidious in the film (without his face showing):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgM8GbfjS3A

So will you remove the balcony scene altogether or morph the hood to hide all of Palpatine's face?

 

 

 If you mean the scene where the Sidious hologram is on that "spider-walker" thing talking to the Viceroy about the upcoming battle and he says "Wipe them out", I've removed that scene from the film.

I meant the "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi, at last we will have our revenge" scene, I'm now assuming that will be gone as will the Dooku/Sidious scene in "Twilight".

JasonN said:

Test composite for the last scene of Sidious in the film (without his face showing):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgM8GbfjS3A

So will you remove the balcony scene altogether or morph the hood to hide all of Palpatine's face?

ladyferry said:

darthmunky said:

IMO, the 2D series should be cannon and the 3D one should be EU. Also, one jedi uses his lightsaber underwater in the 2D one for like the whole episode. I forget the Jedis name but he's the green alien one who gets killed by Palpatine right quick in ROTS. He can breath underwater I guess.

Ladies and gentlemen - Kit Fisto...

 

It does sound like a porn name.

Darth Lars said:

Good suggestions, Marlonius!

Personally, I don't agree with all the creative decisions that Adywan made, as well as things done in the SE.

• Adywan recolored all blue Rebel "bird" emblems on pilot helmets red. I think that the color of the emblem on the "generic" helmets should be that of the squadron: Red squadron have a red emblem, Blue Squadron have a blue emblem and Gold Squadron (yellow Y-wings) have a yellow emblem matching the yellow stripes on their Y-wings.
• I don't like the Sandtroopers' flying probe droid. Could it be edited away?
• Adywan and crew did a great job on the new Pilot briefing graphics, but I would have preferred it to stay white instead of red.
• Could the Wolfman be put back into the Cantina?
• I don't like the idea of Jabba in ANH at all. There are many reasons that I think make that scene do not work.

If we put the changes aside for a bit, there are also more things left that Adywan did not tweak:

• There is still one shot of Rebel Fleet Troopers which is flipped, with the helmet radio box on the wrong side.
• Stormtrooper with black gap between his calf pieces on the Tantive IV.
• Although Han Solo's blaster is never seen up close more than once, the prop he used in the closeup in the cantina is significantly different than the one he used in all the other scenes.
  
• Luke's pilot helmet has a different color scheme in the scene in the hanger when he is talking to Han.

 

I thought about the helmet insignia thing myself, though it was nice to see the blue changed to red it doesn't resolve the main problem of all the pilots having different insignia designs in the battle (only Luke has the red design and it's distressed, the helmets in that sequence look brand new).

It might be possible to find pilots in the battle that looks a bit like the pilots in the take off sequence and change the insignia on their helmets to match up with the ones their look-alikes wear in the battle.

vbangle said:

Monroville said:

Again, I know I'm being an ass here,

 

You said it pal.

Common, don't be mean, we all make mistakes (as the astrodroid said retracting his interface prong from the dustbin) ;-)

It reminds me of the ESB comic book version of the Emperor's hologram.

There he looked like a black shadow of a monk (really spooky), I wonder if any has any scans?

Monroville said:

Ladies and Gents, we are forgetting something here:

There is a completely different thread for all of this ANH:R stuff!  The past 20 PAGES have been about ANH:R!  While I feel the same way and love the edit, there is a different place to:

(1) spread the love

(2) ask for download links, references, clues, etc

(3) discuss any problems with edit, downloading said edit, etc.

This is supposed to be strickly regarding the EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: REVISITED edit and suggestions as to how to do that edit if Ady wants to consider them (by strickly I mean how a football stadium is strickly for football: still plenty of room to move around in, but still all about football or some other sporting activity other than racing cars).

Again, I know I'm being an ass here, but the bigger this thread gets with things unrelated to what it is supposed to be, the harder it is going to be for Ady to sift through the posts and check them out.  Save the JEDI:REVISITED stuff for that thread when it's posted AFTER EMPIRE:REVISITED is finished and available for download. 

And Vaderios!  Where've you been!  We miss you!

I think you have your threads mixed up there Monroville, this is the ANH:R thread (i get a bit mixed up sometimes myself).

++update++

Looks like we all noticed at the same time :-)

Clearly they hoped they'd save money by doing the sequence infront of a glass painting (which actually does cast some realistic light reflections around) but then found that some of the angles didn't match up later and used an optical composite of a matte (only they didn't bother with the continuity as much as they should).

It looked great in 1980 but back then most people saw a film once or twice (not the umpty thrumpty zillion times we have all seen these films since).

Octorox said:

Erikstormtrooper said:

I could be off my rocker here, but I think there's a "door droid" in one of the new Clone Wars cartoons. That might be useful.

 

Yeah. I think they actually used it in a few episodes

Does it sound better?

There is one in the Jedi Outcast game which sounds roughly the same only fainter.

Another possible but very time consuming possibility would be to adjust the colour of Jedi outfits to look less like moisture farmers and more like the outfit Luke wears in ROTJ, something like this (only done better hint, hint to those up to the challenge):

Has Robot Chicken done an eye droid sketch yet? With all those little roundels to choose from they could have done a Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In style joke wall.

Ziz said:

Why re-record or replace any audio?  Just clip the laughter off the end of the eyestalk's line and be done with it.  Scanner effect would be nice if it was kept short and sweet...doesn't need to happen during the whole dialogue, just at the beginning.

I actually quite like the idea of it being on during the whole duration (though it should rotate, I should have traced some impact lines on the droids but I thought the illustration was enough to get the idea across).

There could be some fun to be had by adding a scan hum (a bit like the one used in the beginning of Aliens) or a whoor-whoor noise like the one in AOTC when the scanning laser is protecting Padme with R2 in the room.

Sluggo I love the idea of making it more abrupt (I don't speak Huttese and I'm sure neither does most of the audience) it might be possible to filter the existing material some more to make it more mechanical (the good ole ring modulator perhaps?).

Sluggo said:

corellian77 said:

Very nice digital matte extensions of Dagobah vaderios.  They do a lot to add depth to the exterior shots.

As BarBar Jinkx pointed out, though, in the shot of Luke looking back at Yoda, just before he attempts to lift the X-wing out of the water, wouldn't there be an open space behind the ship?  Refer to the first shot you showed us of the X-wing just after crashing... there's a ton of open space behind the ship where Luke put her down.

 

 Or maybe have the trees broken and sheared off?

We could all just pretend they are sheared off higher up (if the X-Wing hit the trunks at that speed I doubt it would have survived the crash, same goes for Luke and R2).

Sluggo said:

I got ya.  This is a great idea.  Since the door droid or scanner droid is speaking Huttese in the original, 3PO replies in kind.  If we change the Huttese to a probe droid like series of beeps and tones, should we keep 3PO lines the same or just swap them out for something in 'basic'?

I see your point, darn...I was hoping that the radio version would have the same dialogue in English, it does however have almost the same lines (said to Bib Fortuna, so an alternative performance from Daniels might be constructable). It might be easier to re-record the eye's lines, still in Huttese but in a menacing mechanical voice, minus the laugh (which is the most of putting bit in my view).

Sluggo said:

Interesting idea.  How would it fit with R2 and 3PO's dialogue?

Threepio is a translator droid so he understands it just as he understands R2 and the Falcon.

R2 reacts to the light change (has the scan noticed his hidden cargo?).

It makes the scene more menacing and mysterious from the door side but remains in character from the droids side.

Remember we get enough evidence of the whole of the conversation from just Threepio or the scene as it currently stands wouldn't make any sense.

The thing that doesn't work is the comedy coming from the doorside of the conversation which removes alot of the sense of danger from the scene and is an obvious nod to similar scene in "The Wizard Of Oz".

Rather than losing the eye robot altogether it might be cool to A) remove the speach and that laugh and replace it with a weird machine language like the probe droids and B) add a scanning laser which starts of as blue but see's red when has it's little run in with R2.

doubleofive said:

I love you all.  That pandown is incredible.  Yes, animate that GIF!

"R2 I've a feeling we're not in Humboldt County anymore"

That is beautiful work Vaderious. It would make a lovely animated downward panning GIF.

vaderios said:

The funny was that i had ready 3 diferent variations of activation from the gun but i had a Photoshop crash.

Anyways i see what i can do... :)

 

-Angel

I really like the rocket effect, it really adds to the impression that there are many variations of weapons being used.

vaderios said:

The deathstar should look like moon. so only light and some minor details should be visible.

plus the perspective we supposed to see the bottom of it and the shield dish should always point it.

I like your approach of total black it adds a dangerous silence but it lacks of dramatical atmosphere.

Same with the planet.

 

I ll try to do some mockups sometime later :)

 

-Angel

If the sky was pitch black the Death Star would reflect back a lot of light so it would glow (not quite as much as the moon but a lot more than we ever saw in the theatrical version). It's only in evening and morning that you would get the diffusion thus seen.