Bingowings

I taped it off ITV when it was first shown (onto Betamax no less) but that tape is lost too. It would have been useless to you anyway as I edited out all the adverts (I still expect the adver card to pop up at the right spot because I watch the thing literally hundreds of times).

Made a nice cover for it too out of possibly priceless now magazine articles.

I haven't grown up yet have I?

And welcome to the boards too, I hope you have fun here.

Yoda does need to look a little less like he is praying to Mecca but the second video in it's rough form does give a very different feel to the sequence.

I quite like the idea of having the prequel ships looking very different from the OT ones (look at the difference between WWI and WWII) but I don't get why some of the Republic ships look so tatty (it make sense if you are a Rebel or a smuggler but this is meant to be the official government).

I actually like the idea of R2 being blue because he's one of blue group's astrodroids (Naboo seems to be obsessed with aesthetics).

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Hey peoples!

I don't mean to take over here but I would love some imput on two of my new vidz.

Without going into great detail I've had issues with the Yoda/Palps fight in ROTS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_f39t8LGM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuZRgNsz4vA

So feel free to check them out and let me know you're thoughts...maybe type them here on this thread...

P.S. Look at both descriptions of the videos...I've gone into some details as to why the changes...

You are always welcome here, sadly your first video has already been taken down (perhaps you should remove all Star Wars references in the title of your youtube posting). I expect your second video will be taken down too once they get wind of it. Don't ask me why but Youtube is going bonkers deleting and blocking (not to mention splodging adverts all over the place).

ben_danger said:

love the ideas bingowings. i think your more linear storyline would be so much better. what do you think of these ideas? im sure your line of thought isnt too different.

 

one thing that bugged me about AOTC, is how camino not only supplied the endless swarms of troops under the nose of the republic, but also the starships and weaponry. i mean they could conquer the galaxy with those kinds of resources surely? im sure there is a legit EU explanation, but in the contex of stand alone films it seemed a bit extreme. it also seemed pretty quick how the jedi immediatly adjusted to their forces.

 

the point i am leading to, is could there somehow be a plot where a republic relief force, maybe with similarities to the star destroyers seen in AOTC show up? it would be good if this was the start of the clone wars, but just without the clones? the republic would have certainly 'crossed a line' like yoda discusses about the beginning of the clone wars at the end of AOTC.

 

maybe against the wishes of the Council, who opt not to get involved, dooku shows up with a fleet of stardestroyers, manned with non-clones? maybe sifo dias, could be aboard another ship that gets destroyed, so in AOTC, we may believe dooku ordered the clones creation?

 

it would be super hard to do, but who knows, 4-7 years time OT may be a bit more mobilised (one of us may win the lottery?:P)

The clones I don't have too much of a problem with as the Jedi themselves seem to be shocked to discover them, Sidious has obscured their creation via the Darkside.

I imagine that the initial batch would have been enough to defeat the droids on Geonosis but not enough to fight a pangalactic war.

As the war progressed more clones were commisioned (now legally thanks to Binks) and the Seperatists too would build more droids to fight them, setting up an arms race.

But I agree with you about the equipment.

These could 'borrowed' from the existing armoury of the Republic's small but well equipped standing army (they must have had some sort of armed forces or there would be attacks from the outside and civil wars all the time).

Showing some of this ordnance in the hands of Republican regulars in TPM would be a visual way of showing where this equipment came from without having to explain it on screen in AOTC.

ben_danger said:although it would require alot of work, i think getting rid of duel of the fates and having the lightsaber battle without music would help return it to an OT feeling. although i love alot of the PT scoring, the vocal parts did make the two trilogies sound completely different. another thing about the naboo battle, is that it is the only 4 levelled battle in the whole saga (gungans, space battle, lightsaber battle and padme taking throne room) do you think it should be toned down, or maybe split up? anyone got any ideas for alternative music in the PT? i loved the reborn clip using the ROTJ music in AOTC.

I'm going to play with the idea that instead of there being a single droid control ship the whole blockade is there (the Naboo have more fighters, squadrons added by changing the colours of the fighters to blue, red etc:

but they are still greatly outnumbered because they have no capital ships or droid fighters)

Qui-Gon and Obi Wan have to get onto the fleet command ship to stop signal jamming so they can get a distress signal to the Republic to send for help (and they fight Maul there, also moving the droid battles on the ship from the beginning of the film to the end).

That way the sabre battle is more associated with space battle and the Gungan battle is more associated with the throne room.

Anakin doesn't destroy the command ship he just destroys a ship single handed and deliberatly (not by accident).

Once Nute Gunray is captured he orders the ships away (to save his skin) and the Droids power down on his command not because one ship is destroyed (which seemed a stupid way to run a war in the first place).

I always suspected that there was meant to be dialogue during the final duel (note the way Maul points to the body of Gui-Gon while fighting Obi-Wan) but it was deleted in the final cut to make him more mysterious (and I'm not sure if it worked, it didn't quite feel like a lightsabre duel as there is more to a duel than bashing sticks together).

bkev said:

The PS1 game's sound effects and voices if I recall are of MUCH lower quality than the PC version.  I have both, fun - however tedious - game.

I just downloaded the sound files but they don't have the Maul dialogue I suppose they must be in the cut scenes, are they isolated?

When I've pinched from PC games of that vintage before (Resident Evil for example) the cut scenes were in an accessible folder and I could rip the sound with ease.

As you say the game is tedious so I haven't heard the dialogue yet to find out if it is useful (do you think it might be?).

Ripplin said:

Didn't realize it was that big! I've always liked the Mon Cal ships; very Zentraedi. :)

Very indeed!

Yaarel Poof! I'm so glad that stupid name was never mentioned on screen, only George would allow such a thing.

It's lucky that George didn't make him a major character, the idea of little kids lining up to buy Poof action figures and the fallout from that added to the racial caricature accusations would promote more facepalms than the human head could survive.

Ripplin said:

Thanks, Bingo. Nice to see ideas from different artists like that. That last one is especially different. Actually, it looks like the bridge on a Star Destroyer, with those pits on the sides.

It would make sense if the command centre of Home One was to a similar scale as the Star Destroyer bridge going by this size comparison.

BarBar Jinkx said:

is there any way to incorporate some of the Bounty hunter games dialog into the prequels in some way?

(BTW: Its really annoying that you can't post on here with an iPhone! )

As I posted elsewhere I'm looking into the possibility of adding the extra Darth Maul dialogue from TPM game into the film footage, I can't see why not if it matches the footage.

Jengo is easier to do because he is behind a helmet (so no lipsyncing problems).

Slightly off topic here.

I can't open the TPM game sound files at the site you linked to Ady.

Does it have the extra Darth Maul (performed by Peter Serafinowicz) dialogue in there?

I have the PSone version of the game and I was going to investigate and possibly sample that for TPM edits but if someone has already done that I'd like to avoid duplication of effort.

Ripplin said:

Bingowings said:

I really can't stand the set as it is and seeing the designs in The Art Of Return Of The Jedi just made me want to see something more like them.

I can't find any uploaded images around and taking my scanner out in my current home is like trying to get the Ark Of The Covenant out of Area 51.

The only 'Art of' book I have is ESB, so I don't know if I've seen the designs you're referring to. Could you just take a picture of them with a digicam and post those? (I've done that a bunch of times since my old scanner won't work on my new[er] computer) Or maybe if someone else is reading this, could they do a quick scan for us?

 

Here you go,

That's some jigsaw puzzle Adywan.

JasonN said:

Bingowings said:

 In your removing of the Yoda it begs the question why leave Obi-Wan and Anakin alive?

Because Dooku is still a Jedi in these edits (need to rotoscope his lightsaber into a different color in that last preview) and he would not kill other Jedis without serious cause (he just wants to escape the planet, so wounding Obi-Wan and Anakin enough to not no longer pose a threat is enough for him)

Sorry, leaping between threads can cause confusion as to the mission statement of all these various edits.

My observations still stand though.

I know Jedi have used Force Lightning in the games and EU but we have never seen them do it in the actual films.

If he is using the Force for defence it makes more sense that he would try to knock Anakin out with a Force push. He is rather sadistic in his injuring of Obi-Wan (perhaps a slight swapping around of sabre stokes and removing a few close ups of Dooku could create the impression that those injuries as caused by him trying to limit damage rather than maximise pain).

There are a number of problems with this sequence as it stands and in both of your edits.

Some people argue that Force Lightning should be kept for Palpatine alone as a sign of his unique mastery of the dark side.

That aside if he can use that power against Yoda, why doesn't he use it against Obi-Wan or Anakin in ROTS (or indeed earlier here).

In your removing of the Yoda it begs the question why leave Obi-Wan and Anakin alive?

One solution is remove the force lightning and have Dooku throw Anakin against the wall with a Force push (briefly knocking him out as he does with Obi-Wan in ROTS).

Then keep Yoda in but remove the Force lightning elements so he throws objects at Yoda (Vader and Maul can do this so it makes sense that Dooku can) and finishes with trying to drop the column on Obi-Wan and Anakin and Dooku uses the distraction to escape.

That way Dooku's powers are consistent in both films (and it also leaves Force Lightning as a special power for Palpatine).

Monroville said:

Now I wasn't saying anything should be CHANGED; I was just pointing out that the front of the mask was (could be) attached to the rest of the helmet. Again, he is in a (hyperbolic) chamber, and no doubt the particular room and chamber are sterile and designed for his comfort, being that Darth did kind of design the place for himself.

Sorry about the misunderstanding but for the reasons I've already mentioned I do think it should be changed that doesn't mean that your airlock idea couldn't be in there too (he has many wounds which exposed may lead to later infection) but for story reasons having Vader caged behind that mask adds to the masking scene in ROTS and the unmasking scene in ROTJ (his son literally lets him out of the metal dungeon he walks around in).

Sevb32 said:

Sigh, next thing you know you'll want to delete the entire scene. Luke takes Vader's mask off in ROTJ outside his meditation chamber with no back up breathing device, which is what Vader was breathing thru in the the chamber, Vader died in ROTJ because the electricity ruined his suit and breathing devices. He was going to die anyway ("Nothing can stop that now.") but wanted to look on his son with his own eyes before he died. Kind of a miracle he survived ROTS.

No, I just want the mask kept on but the helmet lowered (we hear some sort of kthunk! so presumably it was held on with some sort of complicated clasp that Luke had to take time disconnecting) which is a better explaination than the EU one which would make Vader a bit of a push over cybernetically (something made worse by the acrobatics of General Grievous and his droids in ROTS).

Adding an Anti-Kthunk! to the Jedi sound mix is something worth thinking about (true Anakin was already dying before he took his mask off but the mask was prolonging his ebbing away life).

ben_danger said:

lol, are you from UK too bingowings? i think my uni (Plymouth) used to be a poly.

 

i meant college in US.

 

but thanks anyway!:)

 

all  meant to say, that if you are in education and are short of creative time, i share your pain.:P

Oh I get you, yes I'm in boggy Scotland but I went to Brighton Polytechnic and the Kent Institute Of Art And Design which was a Monotechnic.

The so called Ivy League University's like Princeton are more like the Oxbridge Universities.

Where as Universities like the University Of California are more like the former Techs as they don't use the collegiate system.

ben_danger said:

I'm guessing college is the same as University in the UK?

Thanks to Margaret Thatcher it mostly is.

There are some Technical colleges left (and Sixth Form colleges) but most colleges have been turned into Universities.

When I was in the system the divide was much stronger with Monotechnical and Polytechnical colleges as well as Municipal Colleges.

Colleges are also faculties within Universities.

DarkFather said:

Bingowings said:

Monroville said:

doubleofive said:

How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator?  How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him?  Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).

That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS.  Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).

Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock.  Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower.  I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.

Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.

EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):

I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).

 

I don't know that he could lower it properly by himself. The EU explains that he could barely lift his hands over his head, and seeing how the suit restrains him, makes sense.

 

That's a lousy design for a Sith Lord who gets into sabre battles, the EU is really daft at times.

Sevb32 said:

I hope their is no change to they way Vader's helmet is put on there. If you watch the scene u will see a breathing tube is moved up before the helmet/mask is lowered and covered his face, I believe he liked to have his helmet and mask off from time to time.

He may love to, I'm sure he would love to not have to wear the whole suit and be perfectly healed again but it weakens Luke's fear of taking the mask off if he can take it off in an unsealed environment and it adds to the importance of the unmasking scene if this is the first time he has been let out of the cage so to speak. 

Monroville said:

doubleofive said:

How does one get permission to use Vader's Personal Elevator?  How could Vader be caught unawares if his wall dings that someone is headed down to see him?  Just playing devil's advocate here (and I really like the hallway idea).

That one is easy: it's like the "basement" button in the Arkham Asylum elevator in BATMAN BEGINS.  Only someone with the password or the key can unlock the button and use it, whereupon when someone uses it an automatic signal is sent to Vader in his chamber (so he knows someone is coming).

Also in regards to Vader's chamber, I would personally choose the elevator with airlock.  Vader doesn't have to be 2 feet away from the bridge, being that with an elevator or hallway he could still be anywhere from 1 to 10 levels below the bridge and still within the command tower.  I think the "privacy" factor is a more pertinent reason to change the background behind Piett than anything else.

Also also remember that when Luke took off the helmet in JEDI, the front face mask was still in place, which means Vader would still be using his mechanical breathing apparatus to... well, breath.

EDIT - it looks like the front IS attached to the rest of the helmet, as you can kind of see here (you can see it better when watching the movie):

I agree, the mask should stay on but the helmet should be lowered even if it does make out that Vader is a really lazy git for not using his hands (maybe the helmet needs to be locked onto the collar and mask, Luke does take some time removing it in ROTJ).

dickalan said: 
(why can't we just post links??? this doesn't make sense to me)

A wee hint for you.

Ripplin said:

^I liked your briefing room, but honestly, I didn't have a problem with the original. The thing is, to me, it didn't have to look like the 'slapped together' places they'd used before so much because a lot of time had passed since the destruction of the first Death Star (meaning, uh...time to organize? New, richer allies?), and the fact that it's a big Mon Cal capital ship. I did like your mock-up of a darkened briefing room, but I liked the lit up one, too.

One thing that was quite cool about yours was the feeling of grandeur of the set. Very nice! The whole thing felt bigger and more important, so to speak. And using those mattes from The Black Hole was a nice touch. That movie really had some beautiful art design in it. :) I watched it recently for the first time in many years and I was impressed by a lot of it.

Thank you for your kind...very kind words of encouragement.

I really can't stand the set as it is and seeing the designs in The Art Of Return Of The Jedi just made me want to see something more like them.

I can't find any uploaded images around and taking my scanner out in my current home is like trying to get the Ark Of The Covenant out of Area 51.