The sabre is better than the ones in ROTJ it's the costume Bart is wearing that is wrong.
Love the hair too but "Stay On Target!"
I think it's important to remind everyone about the topic title.
vaderios has effectively showed us that at the very least TPM need a colour fix but this thread is really about ideas that may radically alter the prequels.
It's a spring board for editors who want to take the existing material and really shake it up, rather than just nibble at the edges.
Already there seems to be some moves in that direction with some new edits but I don't want us to lose focus on the mission statement.
Some of the colour changes are radical (when they set a very different mood) but the case for a clean up has been made here now.
Let's move on to making more revolutionary changes and figure out how they may be achieved.
The one thing that is really bugging me with ROTS is zombie Moff Tarkin (is there a way of making him look more like Peter Cushing?) my earlier attempts looked awful but there must be a way (either that or take him out completely, everytime I see him I get taken out of the scene).
I want a copy even more than I want a Nick Cave Doll.
Dangerous Incorporated said:vaderios said:Dangerous Incorporated said:Sumguy21 said:Dangerous Incorporated, you wouldn't mind changing your signature would you? It's quite distracting.
Its quite annoying when every sig I have someone has a prob with it. Im sorry but I cant please everyone.
This sig has nothing wrong. Its small and subtle.
-Angel
Thank you Angel. If its a real prob and Admin asks me to change it I will but I really dont see what the prob is with this one. I cant get much smaller.
So does anyone know of where I can find this torrent for ANH bootleg please? Ive looked around a few different places to no avail. :(
DI's Signature detractors : "I don't like a sig with too many muscles"
DI : "I didn't make it for you!, It has the Charles Atlas seal of approval"
I don't have a problem with it myself.
vaderios said:They are moving upwards, AND forwards. That's why they get pushed back into their seats.
I still disagree with the up move. Anyways.
Boo! I really hoped that the helmet and armor screw up would be fixed. :(
Yeah. I still insist that its way to fixed. Even when vader spins..
-Angel
If someone could do a simple GIF showing the corrected helmet it might show how viable the change is and how much it adds to the scene.
ben_danger said:i agree with that, tpm is much better in that respect, and i do think it isnt given as much credit as it deserves. BUT it does just seem to lack that ephemeral ingredient which is star wars for me.:P
CGI, matte paintings, models, sets and actors are just means to an end (telling a story).
I wouldn't mind if everything in Star Wars was CGI, if the story was worth telling and told well.
The first thing that needs to be fixed is the story and then it's a case of tweaking the elements for making that story work.
With Jedi and the prequels the biggest flaws come from the story elements.
If we can find a way of fixing the story everything else becomes a matter of applying the tools at our disposal to the repaired story elements.
The P&S of Lawrence Of Arabia was hilarious.
There is a scene where one character is on one side of the screen and another is on the other side of the screen and a bottle on a table was in the middle.
In the P&S version all you see is the bottle.
Uncanny Antman said:I felt the urge to give some opening credits a try. It still needs some tweaks, and it may not be what everyone was thinking of, but I kinda like it. :)
I stuck to just Ep3, thinking along the lines of each film being a season and each season having it's own variation of the opening.
Also, not all credits are in place for obvious reasons. I built in space for specific episode credits...okay, so most of the 'written by' and 'directed by' credits will be the same, but the name of the faneditor will change. :)And yeah, as has been noted by Boon...it's a little long. I guess I like old school '80s credits. Boy did those things just go on and on. ;)
A lovely job but it would make more sense to do a pansaga title sequence. Remember there is only enough footage in each film to get about three episodes of the series (maybe less) so you should be looking at something a little bit more spread out and a little less spoilerific. Something like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgBNBDOy6B4&feature=related
If the titles are to be episode specific (television not film) you can't get better than pinching from here, would you dare turn over when you know this stuff is going to happen at some point in the episode?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WZW4groJro
InfoDroid said:
Here's my (very rough) spin on the opening credits I whipped up real quick...it's shorter, and it's more in the style of a modern American prime-time TV drama. Totally different take on it than Uncanny's. I love his, but it's just another option for you guys to consider. :)
Great, great titles but arghhhh! my poor ears!
Though it might be difficult to do justice to the idea I still think shipyards building Star Destroyers would be better (excuse as always the crudity of these mockups):
InfoDroid said:vaderios said:
-Angel
HAHA! That's great, Vaderios! Much more logical. Building the ladder might've been part of luke's Jedi training. Like Mr. Miagi making Daniel paint the fence and "wax on, wax off" in the Karate Kid. LOL!
Not even sure if something like that is possible in After Effects, but I sure hope Adywan at least gives it a try.
If there was some way of reconstructing the lost tube cutting scenes the ladder could be made from the metal left over from his training.
Yoda: "Your ladder, need it you will not"
Luke: "Master Yoda leaping out of harms way is one thing but jumping into a vehicle is just showing off"
Yoda: "No! Not showing off, ladder you do not need, besides many important Jedi Master magazines I have on top shelf and come in handy it would."
Luke: "Oh now I get it, the Force is powerful enough to lift an X-Wing but not powerful enough to lift your porn stash"
Yoda: "Too smart for his own good he is, just like his father"
Ben's ghost just rolls his eyes.
Any attempts to build mockups of the rebel bridge as seen in those pre-production designs would be great to see.
This thread seems to have gone to sleep for a bit.
Dangerous Incorporated said:HotRod said:Cos it's shit!!
Why is it shit? The SE version is better than the original version.
C3P0: "Here we go again".
Adywan is attempting to completely redo the wampa scenes and he isn't a fan of the mash up of various wampa models and that's on record and it's his edit.
This debate has already been had many moons ago, you'll just have to trust in what he comes up with and if you prefer the SE Wampa to whatever ends up in ESB:R don't worry it hasn't been wiped from history, you still have your SE discs and someone out there (maybe you) will no doubt do a version with all of Ady's alterations you do like but with the SE Wampa put back in.
A lot of people prefer the less is more approach, some people don't mind the idea of more but didn't like the more they got and some people are very happy with how it turned out in SE.
People are different, welcome to the wonderful world of people.
I like the NuGalactica template.
Previously on...
Basic intro credit (which could be "A Long Time Ago" over a few shots from the whole sage of a mythological bent,"In A Galaxy Far Far Away" followed by a few shots from the whole saga of a science fiction bent).
Opening coda.
Main opening titles (followed by flashing out of context scenes from the coming episode).
Act 1 leading to a mini cliffhanger, ending with a advert break (eg for part one of TPM it could end with the Jedi being trapped in a room filling with gas).
Then three more longer acts also leading to a mini cliff hanger and a break.
Finally act five also ending on a cliff hanger followed by the end titles and a next week trail.
Gerry Anderson used a similar format in all of his shows and Farscape used to follow much the same line too.
Ripplin said:^Nope, that's new to me. Pretty funny. :) I kinda doubt he would've known about this guy, though, as he was a 17 or 18-year-old Californian kid when he made up the character. Lord Buckethead does predate the guitarist by a year or two, though.
I'll have to mention him at the Buckethead forum and see if any of our UK friends know him. Is the movie any good?
I wouldn't call it a Z-Movie, I think we would have to invent quite a few letters after z to really describe how awful it is.
I think it's important to end each episode on a cliffhanger be it dramatic or ponderous.
ben_danger said:if bingowings alternative plot laout was to be used, what would the opening be? something significant? this is afterall the new BEGINNING of star wars. and would this alternative opening relate to a possible alternative closing for ROTJ? it would be good if TPM could relate to ROTJ, like a mirrored version of it, starting all sunny and rosy then getting darker towards the end. maybe the colours could so this. naboo and endor could have a similar palette perhaps.
i was also thinking, could we scrap the gungans completely? what if the army is still in theed, and amidala opts for having the majority of her gathered forces, form a blockade at the main entrance of the palace while a smaller group makes for the viceroy? its not like they are necessary for getting quigon and obiwan to theed in the firstplace anymore, and even if the original plotline were used, they could just land closer to there in the firstplace.
has anyone been watching clone wars? a few months ago we saw 'senate commandos', their captain was this guy (blue one on left)
maybe this could be a concept for a pre-clone republic trooper? i like the open faced helmet.
My idea for the beginning would be from the scroll down to a full Naboo hanging in space the Trade Federation ships surround the planet (does anyone have any more back views of the Trade Federation ships btw?).
Then we see an edited version of Sidious (fully concealed as in many edits) telling Nute Gunray he can land his troops and the landing ships and fighters descend.
Fighting breaks out in Theed (some of the buildings are destroyed).
Then cut to Coruscant and Amidala's meeting with Palpatine (with the message from Sio Bibble edited in) and a altered Jedi Council meeting where Qui-Gon claims to sense the chosen one and he's discovery is linked to the Naboo crisis.
Then the Senate meeting which removes Valorium, then the Queen opts to go back to Naboo to end the crisis.
The Jedi are sent to protect her but they can not call for war against the Federation until the Blockade is confirmed to be unlawful.
Her ship is attacked on route and she has to land on Tatooine.
I'd keep the Gungans but dub them so that Jar-Jar is now the Gungan ambassador and represents his people just as much as Amidala.
He is a bit out of water but not the buffoon we see in the original cut.
As for balcony varients (and ben_danger I can not see yours for some reason) why not have them on Geonosis (which would give a nice lead into the next film, they could be there to plan their next addition into their insurrection).
That is very nice indeed, I can hear Lando now saying "Lord Maul, you really do belong with us here among the toxic plumes and smog".
vaderios said:How about a bridge that closes and opens? like the one that Ady did to the enhance tractor beam matte.
The guard should be in the one side and then the poor officer goes alone to bald vader.
-Angel
By the blue sword of Dr Manhattan, IT MIGHT WORK!
SomethingStarWarsRelated said:JediMasterFisher said:I say just keep the reveal of Anakin turnning into Vader in ROTS. Its the whole point of the movie and removing it would destory the emotional impact of ROTS.
I think Anakin should still turn...but leave out the name "Vader"...possibly.
Sorry but that seems pointless to me, either Episodes I to III are prequels (where we know he's Vader and we are finding out how and why) or they are the first three parts of a six part saga (in which case we shouldn't know Anakin is Vader until ESB).
Knowing he has fallen and burned up but not calling him Vader seems to be the worst of both worlds.
For future generations I think it makes sense to edit the so called prequels so they live up to the Episode bit in the title and keep the surprises until later (not that brighter viewers wouldn't be able to work it out for themselves).
Anakin still falls and becomes Vader in the suit (so his tragedy remains) but we don't know it for sure until Yoda tells Luke and us in the final part.
As for Padme dying and the Death Star being built, I suggested elsewhere that we see a timelapse style building of the Death Star and changing of Clone troopers to Stormtroopers, Republic Destroyers to Imperial Stardestroyers, and Padme's funeral could be worked into that and we could see Leia as a little girl on Alderaan rather than a baby covering the ROTJ memory angle in one swoop too.
Maybe keep the guards but tuck them out of the way like they are there more to give the officers someone to run and cry to after they have seen big eggy.
Ripplin said:You guys should use Buckethead's* song "Star Wars" as an easter egg. Haha. Let me know if you want it.
*the guy in my avatar
I take it you've heard of Lord Buckethead who (I assume) predates Buckethead by some years? He stood for election in the UK up against Maggie Thatcher, got a record in the charts and even starred in his own movie.
Not too sure about the red strip light vaderios (it doesn't look very Executorish it looks a bit more Death Star II'ish if you get my drift) the rest looks cool, it would be nice to see how it looked in the right picture ratio too.
Baxterianism said:I can't remember which region we lived in at the time...(Did lots of moving etc then) The original poster of the video on you tube says its from a later year like you said above, so it's not the version im after which is why i don't recognise the ads I assume.
UPDATE: I think it would have been the broadcast for Norfolk
Would that have been Yorkshire TV back then?
I found the yorkshire TV premier of Jedi BTW.
JediMasterFisher said:I say just keep the reveal of Anakin turnning into Vader in ROTS. Its the whole point of the movie and removing it would destory the emotional impact of ROTS.
It might diminish it a bit but it would add a whack to the emotional impact of ESB and ROTJ for the first time viewer.
Remember (as George should have) years from now there will be generations who will see TPM as Episode One and not a prequel to Episode Four.
