Bingowings

Sorry couldn't see the walker for the trees.

My eye sight will return in time (I hope), I'm paranoid now, is the Boba Fett selling the Death Star location to the Rebels (while getting paid to do so be Darth Vader) plot in there?

I've looked the list up and down half a dozen times but I did when I made my last mistake.

Another suggestion that seems to have slipped off the wish list is the AT-AT in the ground battle idea, I'd love to see some Ewok traps for that monster.

It looks a bit like a Sith Lord skateboard park.

My two pennies worth on the Emperor laughing, "No Want!!".

Palpatine isn't insane he is old and over confident (which explains why he acts like a bit of a git instead of being a calm and quiet sort of evil chap).

I can imagine him trying to figure out a way out of it all the way down to the bottom of the shaft (and failing because his time is finally up).

But he is certainly taken by surprise so his current response makes sense.

Making him laugh might be a set up for EU stuff like Dark Empire but I'm not comfortable with the EU slipping into the films (especially when we are suggesting many great ideas which move this film away from the EU).

doubleofive said:

Didn't phrase it right.  Will fix it.

F.A.B.

doubleofive said:

RotJ:R Suggestion Summary:

Italics: Adywan has confirmed considering this.
Strikethrough: Adywan has denied ever doing this.

Opening:

1. Consider the more radical re-edits to the entire movie (RotJ: Fan-O-Matic)
2. Change the opening crawl to something more dramatic than "Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to rescue his friend Han Solo from the clutches of the vile gangster Jabba The Hutt"
3. Add evidence of construction vehicles working on the Death Star, maybe even as just hints of movement around the incomplete side.
4. Replace the shot of the Star Destroyer going overhead with a shot of the shuttle coming from the Executor.

Tatooine:

1. Remove Boba Fett from the film.
2. Alter the door droid to be more menacing.
3. Add scan beams for the door droid.
4. Change Jawa eyes to match ANH.
5. "Cantina"-ize Jabba's speech and expressions.
6. "Cantina"-ize other aliens in the Palace.
7. Make Bib Fortuna's tentacles move occasionally.
8. Remove Greedo's dialog from the background noice in Jabba's Palace.
9. Remove 3PO's line of "Look, it's Captain Solo and he's still frozen in Carbonite!"
10. Cut down on Salacious Crumb's laughter.
11. Cut/shorten the Droid Torture scene.
12. Remove Jedi Rocks.
13. Remove Fett flirting with the dancer.
14. Restore Lapti Nek.
15. Fix the flipped shots of Fett.
16. Change Boushh's dialog to be a more "realistic" language.
17. Mix up Jabba's minion's reaction to Boushh's thermal detenator so Fett isn't the only one who pulls out his gun.
18. Cut Lando pulling his mask down after he hits his head on the low ceiling.
19. Remove Lando hitting his head on the low ceiling.
20. Remove the belch from the creature outside Jabba's Palace.
21. Enhance the carbonite thawing process.
22. Add Han's restraints when he is unfrozen.
23. Remove Han's scene with Chewie in the dungeons.
24. Remove Luke using Force Choke on the guards.
25. Don't have Luke raise his hand to Force Choke the guards.
26. Add Mara Jade (from the EU) to Jabba's Palace.
27. Have one of the guards shoot at Luke when he tries to leave the Rancor Pit.
    
28. Make the gate Luke tries to leave the Rancor Pit electrified.
29. Have the door come down harder on the Rancor, perhaps through the Force.
    
30. Cut the Rancor Keeper's mourning.
31. Remove SE Bantha herd.
32. Add bigger sails to barges.
33. Add sails to skiffs.
34. Restore pre-SE Sarlacc.
35. Add more menancing sounds to the SE Sarlacc.
36. Fix jump cut as R2's panel comes open and the lightsaber pops up.
37. Add the knob to the top of the emitter to the saber that comes out of R2.
38. Shorten the amount of time Luke has his hand in the air waiting for his lightsaber.
39. "Restore" Luke's lightsaber to the preproduction blue.
40. Make it so Luke's lightsaber leaves slash marks on Jabba's crew.
41. Remove/replace the scream as Fett spirals out of control.
42. Make it so Han deliberately hits or shoots Fett using shots from later in the movie.
43. Make it so Luke beheads Fett.
44. Make it so Luke deflects a bolt at Fett which sets off his backpack.
45. Fix Fett's jetpack as they come out at the wrong angle currently.
46. Have Fett shoot at the Sarlacc as he falls into it.
47. Add a shot of Fett crawling/flying out of the Sarlacc.
48. Fix it so Luke actually kicks the guard while Fett flies out of control in the background.
49. Restore Han's "Trust me" line.
50. Make it so Luke doesn't have his hand straight up in the air to get shot.
51. Remove Luke's hand damage from before he gets shot.
52. Attempt to restore the deleted Sandstorm scene and remove the ship-to-ship conversation.

Dagobah:

1. "Cantina"-ize Yoda.
2. Do something about Yoda's obvious rubber hand during his death scene.
3. Tweak/cut Yoda's disappearance.
4. Recolor the blue Force Ghosts to prevent confusion with blue holograms.
5. No Luke/Leia relation.

Rebel Fleet:

1. Expand Rebel Briefing Room set.
2. Recut Rebel Briefing.
3. Shorten/cut the huggy Luke and Co. reunion ("I'm with you too" and on).
4. Different Shuttle Class for Tydyrium.
5. Replace/enhance matte painting of Rebel docking bay.

Forest Moon of Endor:

1. Add Endor so that the Forest Moon is actually a moon of something.
2. Change Ewoks to Wookiees.
3. Complete removal of Ewoks.
4. "Cantina"-ize the Ewoks.
5. Add 3PO's line "I believe they are called... Ewoks" from the Radio Drama.
6. Add some camouflage to some of the Imperial troops.
7. Stabilize the speeder bikes during the chase.
8. Adjust the scene so it looks like the Scout pushes Luke off of his speeder bike.
9. Make 3PO's flying chair scene more scary, so the Ewoks don't just freak out about a floating droid.
10. Do something with Leia remembering her mother, her real mother.
11. Change Vader's line of "Obi-wan once thought as you do" to "Your mother once thought as you do".
12. Cut Teebo's Speeder Bike Adventure.
13. Add dialog to make it seem like the Rebels have people on the inside already to help out.
14. Add more Imperial laser fire as the Ewoks attack.
15. Add some gore to the Ewoks attacking.
16. Add AT-AT to ground battle.
17. Cut Chewie's Tarzan yell.
18. Enhance AT-ST explosion that is crushed between the two logs.
19. Enhance AT-ST explosion that is shot by Chewie's AT-ST.
20. Remove the stormtroopers and guards constantly saying "Freeze!"
21. Remove Harrison Ford's reflection from safety glass as he runs from the bunker.
22. The shield generator explosion is huge and looks like it would probably wipe out everyone in the area.
    

Death Star Attack:

1. Restore two Death Stars concept (See posts starting here).
   
2. Rebel fighters crashing into the DS shield.
3. More fighters overall (B-wings and A-wings especially).
4. Fix garbage spots in "one of the battle shots" where ships were not added.
5. Just before Lando says "Yes, I said closer", some of the background ships don't tilt with the rest of the shot.
6. Remove green matte boxes around ships.
7. Remove/replace some of the copy/paste capital ships.
8. Add more laser fire as the capital ships should be pounding on one another (a la the RotS opening).
9. Have the DS laser strafe a little to hit more than one ship at a time.
10. Add shots of Rebel capital ships attacking the surface of the DS (storyboard)
11. Have Piett realize the error of his ways and start attacking his own fleet.
12. Better end to the Executor (Have Piett crash it into the DS deliberately; Have dozens of Rebel ships kamikaze into it; After it is crashing towards the surface, have it hit other ships on its way down).
13. Add shots of the gunner stations on the DS (from ANH)
14. Redub the Rebel pilot line: "Copy, Gold Leader".
15. Kill Lando, blow up the Falcon. Justify Han's feeling like he's "never going to see her again."
16. Remove ring from DS explosion.

Death Star Interior - Luke/Vader Duel:

1. Replace/enhance cardboard troopers during the Emperor's arrival.
2. Replace the Emperor's advisers with Nemoidians.
3. Move the Throne Room from the easy target of a tower to something a bit more subtle.
4. Fix the Emperor's "slugs".
5. Move the exterior battle closer to the Throne Room window as it should be (a la the RotS opening).
6. Remove/soften the more obvious lightsaber blade shadows.
7. Fix large black matte that covers half the screen when Vader is kicked down the stars.
8. Fix Vader's blade coming out the wrong end of his saber as he throws it to cut the catwalk.
9. Remove Luke's lightsaber from Vader's hand while Luke is hiding.
10. Edit Vader's dialog to hiding Luke to remove some "cheesy" lines.
11. Add Luke pulling his lightsaber out of Vader's hand after he is done hiding.
12. Add Sith eyes while Luke is beating Vader.
13. Cut some of Luke's angry hits on Vader while he's down.
14. Add more Sith Lightning.
15. Tighten up Vader's hesitation to save Luke from the Emperor.
16. Add Qui Gon voiceover to Vader's hesitation to imply that Qui Gon passes his secrets of Jedi Ghosthood to Anakin.
17. Add flashbacks to Vader's hesitation of Padme, his mother, Qui Gon, etc.
18. Fix saber on/off issues.
19. Restore Sebastian Shaw's eyebrows to the unmasking scene.
20. Fix the transition from Sebastian Shaw's face to the bald cap he wears.

Ending:

1. Fix Luke's lazy eye as he looks at the funeral pyre.
2. Add Leia viewing the funeral pyre.
3. Remove SE celebrations.
4. Restore pre-2004 buildings to the background of the Coruscant celebration.
5. Remove the "Weesa free!" line from the Naboo celebration.
6. Restore Yub Nub.
7. Find new music for the ending.
8. Add a shot of an Imperial Officer shaking hands with a Rebel to show the beginnings of peace.
9. Restore Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost.
10. Attempt to morph Shaw and Christensen into the Anakin Force Ghost.
11. Add other Jedi from the prequels appearing next to Obi-wan, Yoda, and Anakin.

 

Either with two Death Stars or one I don't think Piett should ever attack his fleet, he should attack the Death Star to defend his fleet from an Emperor who is firing willy nilly into the battle zone destroying his own ships as much as the Rebel ones.

Piett never joins the Rebels as such, he dies believing in the Empire but loses faith in the Emperor and Vader (like Julius Caesar and Caligula being assassinated by their own men).

Crikey, that looks so much better.

EyeShotFirst said:

Monroville.

"You want the impossible" Though most of your Ideas were great like the Blade Runner style emperors Tower. but a project of that magnitude though amazing. Is a completely new movie ILM couldnt do that with their 3 year coffee breaks (i know they work hard but dayam some of you do more by yourself than they do with their army of editors) but the ideas are good just very hard to produce.

"YOUR TASTE BUDS CANT DEFLECT FLAVOR OF THAT MAGNATIUDE" Admiral Ackbar

I can't see it being too much of a problem ("You must unlearn what you have learned"). The basic pod shape could be kept the same (so the set wouldn't need to change shape) but the building underneath could be very different.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

DarkFather said:

Darth Vader really owes Ady a beer for fixing his wobbly helmet.

Vader drinks Sithweiser's!

 

This may have been answered but is Bobba voice staying the same as it originally did or is it staying the same as the 04 version?

I thought he would drink a pint of John Sith's.

Here's another nice Ralph McQuarrie early design inspired Vader which might look more interesting as a prequel version:

It would be nice if it look like Palpatine was trying to cling onto the sides of the shaft in vain with lightning claws.

Something like (but better obviously) this :

There would be a bit of foreshortening but it wouldn't look anything like that.

I imagine it will get fixed by Ady going by his track record with ANH:R.

teharri said:

Any chance we can see some mock up of enhancing the emperor's lightniing....caugh caugh Vaderios

There isn't much that needs doing with the lightning itself (that a general clean up of the footage won't sort).

I love the way it goes for all the nasty places like just behind the ears and later on scanning across the teeth (that must really hurt).

One thing that really does need fixing is the set furniture that Luke falls against when he is hit which moves almost like a dustbin (even though it meant to be part of the lift shaft).

I suppose it could be a bit brighter and more blue.

It might even be nice to see it try to earth itself though Luke to the floor more.

As much as I want to see this you may want to take your links down and give them out to people via PMs to keep within the forum rules.

It certainly looks like it makes for a feast for the eyes.

If it wasn't for the original cast and the ever entertaining Ian McDiarmid I don't think this film would be remembered as fondly as it is, in quite a few ways TPM is actually a better film.

Some of your suggestions are really great.

I'd still like to try and do my 2 Death Stars and Piett dying to save his fleet ideas out (still building that computer for a video mockup) and the Fan-O-Matic variations would take a lot of the sillyness out and change the tone to match the other films more.

The space battle needs a complete work over (explosions that actual explode rather than just cast splodges infront of the models).

I think your ship to ship firing idea should be extended to all the ship battles and if the alternate fate of the Executor doesn't work out having her bashed to bits by multiple ships makes much more sense than the silly way she goes out in the current form of the film.

What is it with the Empire and it's obsession with building gigantic structures which can be taken out by tiny ships (it worked as a metaphor in ANH but you can only take it so far)?

adywan said: the bottom one was actually a make-up test for Christopher Eccleston (Doctor Who) which looked so much better than what we got.

Really! Bleedin ell! He looks completely unrecognisable as Chris but exactly like dear Peter (who was a Doctor Who of sorts himself, I met him when I was tiny at a book signing and he was really nice).

It would have been a weird set up though with a too tall Tarkin and a too short Vader in front of a very slowly built Death Star (but Wayne is almost as tall as Chris anyway).

This is hideous :

Even this looks less fake :

TMBTM said:

Wayne Pygram who looks pretty much like a young Cushing

F...,  I never paid attention that young Tarkin is Scorpius from Farscape!

How can the final result look so bad :

When this test looked so spot on?

As with all of these edits the editor has the final say (they are doing the hard work and their decision is final).

So everything is fine with me.

I just thought I'd point out that the is a real world examples of elected monarchies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elective_monarchy

DarthBo said:

Bingowings said:

The one thing that is really bugging me with ROTS is zombie Moff Tarkin (is there a way of making him look more like Peter Cushing?) my earlier attempts looked awful but there must be a way (either that or take him out completely, everytime I see him I get taken out of the scene).

Remove the entire scene.

Problem solved.

 

That would be the less labour intensive solution but unless Ady's plan to film more Vader bears fruit, this is the only time we see Vader under the helmet in the whole prequel Trilogy (even if he is no Dave Prowse, who I hope get's well soon).

It shouldn't be too difficult just to remove faux Tarkin digitally, it's much more difficult to map the late Peter Cushing in (unless some film buff out there can find footage from the right era that will match it in perfectly).

I can't for the life of me figure out why they put that Halloween mask on Wayne Pygram who looks pretty much like a young Cushing without the latex.

The sabre is better than the ones in ROTJ it's the costume Bart is wearing that is wrong.

Love the hair too but "Stay On Target!" 

I think it's important to remind everyone about the topic title.

vaderios has effectively showed us that at the very least TPM need a colour fix but this thread is really about ideas that may radically alter the prequels.

It's a spring board for editors who want to take the existing material and really shake it up, rather than just nibble at the edges.

Already there seems to be some moves in that direction with some new edits but I don't want us to lose focus on the mission statement.

Some of the colour changes are radical (when they set a very different mood) but the case for a clean up has been made here now.

Let's move on to making more revolutionary changes and figure out how they may be achieved.

The one thing that is really bugging me with ROTS is zombie Moff Tarkin (is there a way of making him look more like Peter Cushing?) my earlier attempts looked awful but there must be a way (either that or take him out completely, everytime I see him I get taken out of the scene).

I want a copy even more than I want a Nick Cave Doll.

Dangerous Incorporated said:

vaderios said:

Dangerous Incorporated said:

Sumguy21 said:

Dangerous Incorporated, you wouldn't mind changing your signature would you? It's quite distracting.

Its quite annoying when every sig I have someone has a prob with it. Im sorry but I cant please everyone.

 

This sig has nothing wrong. Its small and subtle.

 

-Angel

 

 

Thank you Angel. If its a real prob and Admin asks me to change it I will but I really dont see what the prob is with this one. I cant get much smaller.

 

So does anyone know of where I can find this torrent for ANH bootleg please? Ive looked  around a few different places to no avail. :(

DI's Signature detractors : "I don't like a sig with too many muscles"

DI : "I didn't make it for you!, It has the Charles Atlas seal of approval"

I don't have a problem with it myself.

vaderios said:

They are moving upwards, AND forwards. That's why they get pushed back into their seats.

I still disagree with the up move. Anyways.

Boo! I really hoped that the helmet and armor screw up would be fixed. :(

Yeah. I still insist that its way to fixed. Even when vader spins..

 

-Angel

If someone could do a simple GIF showing the corrected helmet it might show how viable the change is and how much it adds to the scene.

ben_danger said:

i agree with that, tpm is much better in that respect, and i do think it isnt given as much credit as it deserves. BUT it does just seem to lack that ephemeral ingredient which is star wars for me.:P

CGI, matte paintings, models, sets and actors are just means to an end (telling a story).

I wouldn't mind if everything in Star Wars was CGI, if the story was worth telling and told well.

The first thing that needs to be fixed is the story and then it's a case of tweaking the elements for making that story work.

With Jedi and the prequels the biggest flaws come from the story elements.

If we can find a way of fixing the story everything else becomes a matter of applying the tools at our disposal to the repaired story elements.