Bingowings

Sluggo said:

94 EXT. BUNKER

 

Han sneaks up behind the remaining Imperial scout, taps him on the shoulder and lets the scout chase him behind the bunker into the arms of the waiting Rebel strike team. Han returns to the front, and taps out a pattern on the bunker door's control panel.  Everyone stands out of sight, police-style, as the door opens.  Han and Leia peek inside. No sign of life. The group enters the bunker silently, leaving one lookout, disguised in the armor of a stripped Imperial Scout, behind.

 

 

95 INT. DEATH STAR MAIN DOCKING BAY

Vader's shuttle settles onto the docking bay of the Death Star. Luke and the Dark Lord emerge from the landing ramp with a small escort of stormtroopers, and walk rapidly across the cavern.

Using a mixture of animation and editing could this scene be rebuilt using the SE shuttle scene that Ady has taken out of ESB and elements from the rest of the film (with a little bit of CGI)?

I'm thinking along the lines of the redo of the Vulcan scene in Star Trek The Slow Motion Picture Director's Cut.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

SilverWook said:

I presume it's stuff along the lines of the phony dialog Dave Prowse was given on the Empire set. "Obi-Wan killed your father."

Which in my opinion would have been a considerably better plot twist.

Which is actually true...from a certain point of view.

rcb said:

one thing that always bugged me in jedi is that at the sarlac pit when luke is slicing the guys up, where the hell is the marks? it looks like he's missing them. also when he deflects the blaster fire back at the one guy on the barge, the laser hit above him and he acted like he was hit. that scene needs a lot of help.

That would be Force Dry Clean and Force Think You Are Hit to add to the infamous Force Kick...let's look at that GIF one more time (it always brings a smile) :

Nice to have you on board Husker hope you lend your hand to rolling the harder Episode 6 (how am going to cope now that show has finished ++sob++?).

My rotating room idea seems to have fallen off the map with all this talk of glowing faces and the like.

Anyone skilled enough to try their hand at a simple gif to see if it's workable?

LordVader said:

Jonno said:

LordVader said:

 So if its available on DVD why does everyone hate the GOUT?

 

Because it's a lazy, half-arsed recycle of old laserdisc masters, when it should have been a new and fully restored transfer (as sharp and detailed as the 2004 DVDs).

Do a search for 'GOUT' on here - you'll find plenty more details about that set's technical shortcomings (and some folks' very creative ways of overcoming them).

Anyway, that's not really what this particular thread is about - here we're very deliberately looking for low-tech! :-)

 

Ah I see, a year and a half on here and I just learned that, well damn what's the big deal with just restoring it and slapping it in with the Special Editions, Lucas can still favor the SEs but atleast we have the original.

 

I guess there is a lot of money to be made by instead of selling one really good DVD package, selling loads of rubbish variations that the majority of potential purchasers wouldn't know are less than perfect or the same stuff repackaged.

Perhaps Lucas just loves these boards and is goading us into making preservation and fan-edit projects by putting out shoddy goods?

It's the only explanation for why the SE disc set was hideous as well.

doubleofive said:

Bingowings said:

This might sound a bit daft but bear with me for a moment.

Perhaps one way around the shifting, door/window problem would be to have the upper suites rotatable (the suites may be designed to entertain rich buyers who visit the city and they might like to have a room they can move around to catch different views.

The two interior doors could then line up (according to where they turn) with two completely different exterior doors (much like a fit with a door at both ends, someone pushing the door button on one side would automatically rotate the room in a gentle fashion so it lined up with the door on the inside).

We could see the top of the building begin to rotate and a shutter come down and then Han comes in from one door (setting up the rotating possibility of the room) and when Chewie and Lando come in it wouldn't matter if the doors were not right because the room has rotated without the audience seeing it because the shutter is down.

Some of the design suggestions above could fit into this idea as the look small enough to be rotatable modules.

It also would explain the changing lighting.  Wow.  I'm impressed!

There are lots of real world examples like the GPO Tower and the Toronto Tower naturally this being the Star Wars universe where doors slam at near supersonic speeds there would have to be some kind of advanced technology to stop everyone in the room getting sick and the furniture from falling all over the place (the room is relatively small and even a gentle rotation would have to faster than most of those towers to be noticable on the outside) but Star Wars isn't science fiction it's space fantasy so I can live with that.

Here's a home that does the opposite, one window but at the push of a button you can have a bath looking out of it, go to sleep looking out of it or sit on a nice sofa looking out of it (it better be a good view) :

http://forum.ebaumsworld.com/showthread.php?t=151856

This might sound a bit daft but bear with me for a moment.

Perhaps one way around the shifting, door/window problem would be to have the upper suites rotatable (the suites may be designed to entertain rich buyers who visit the city and they might like to have a room they can move around to catch different views.

The two interior doors could then line up (according to where they turn) with two completely different exterior doors (much like a fit with a door at both ends, someone pushing the door button on one side would automatically rotate the room in a gentle fashion so it lined up with the door on the inside).

We could see the top of the building begin to rotate and a shutter come down and then Han comes in from one door (setting up the rotating possibility of the room) and when Chewie and Lando come in it wouldn't matter if the doors were not right because the room has rotated without the audience seeing it because the shutter is down.

Some of the design suggestions above could fit into this idea as the look small enough to be rotatable modules.

I don't think Palpatine needs to view the carnage he can feel it through the Force (like Ben did with Alderaan only on a smaller scale).

The gunners and planners on both sides need to view the carnage because they are causing it but through the Force Palpatine is right in the centre of it unaided by technology.

Asteroid-Man said:

You know what guys don't worry about it. I'll just borrow it from a friend. I just need to find who has it...

If you can't find a friend with it couldn't you just rent it for a few days (you have already paid for it so basically you are making a defacto backup copy)?

adywan said:

i'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet. where has the window that Leia looks out of gone? surely there should be a window instead of a corridor there?

but thats going to be hell, if not impossible, to fix so i may just leave this

If the green plants were coloured red it might be able to edit around the problem by suggesting that that is the same door Han comes through.

I agree but perhaps part of the problem is the life action insert is slightly out of focus where as all the buildings are in sharp focus and at the same level of intensity.

If the light is that bright inside surely the light outside should be even brighter seeing as it's getting the full glare of the sun.

The buildings closer to us should be in focus to roughly the same degree as the live action elements (allowing a little give for the glass) and the buildings further back should shift out of focus a bit as they recede into the background.

The room interior could be taken down a little bit (but it is very bright so it should be still bright) but Leia is right next to the window and would get much of the daylight on her so she should be pretty much the same as she is now.

A reflection would add much but I was never really convinced that the interior fits into that matte in a realistic fashion.

The room element might be distorted to map into the suggested interior space of the building in the matte more (it seems a little flat).

doubleofive said:

Looking at the screencaps, the duel is over by the time the shield is down.  Unless you put big ships behind Vader and the Emperor during the most climatic moment in the saga, we can't have the ships get much closer than they are currently.  Too bad.

Really, the more I look at the shot where you can see the battle, the more it makes sense to leave it the way it is.

At this point, the Rebel fighters are just starting to be attacked by the TIEs, and the SDs aren't doing anything.  Even the angle might be right.  I'm not 100% sure as I'm not that good with the 3 dimension thinking required, but I think it does work the way it is.

Impressive, someone might have actually thought all this through when they made it! ;-)

This side view was one of the inspirations for the 3rd Death Star revival, as Lando and the Rebels begin their attack they are pointing at the Death Star.

When they realise the shield is up they turn around and see the fleet was creeping behind them.

So really the Rebels should have their backs to the Death Star and behind them the Imperials should be facing the Death Star (the two fleets only lock together when the Death Star starts firing).

That's where I saw the opportunity of sticking the Death Star into the shot to which the only conclusion is that Luke isn't there (Enter Death Star number 3).

Monroville said:

maybe make some scenes to be NOT so pretty (smoggy, dirty, etc); maybe just make the buildings a little more "worn in (some muck, dirt, scratches or wear on them; maybe ads or different color panels ala Mobius just to give it a more "lived in" look and less sterile)":



Maybe not "greenish" like this, but the overall smoginess.

Those would make lovely elements for the Courscant industrial area, Geonosis droid foundaries and even a Clone War battlezone but it doesn't really fit in the Cloud City design ethic (the City seems to have been built all in one go and serve one purpose which doesn't seem to require this sort of gritty environment, even the Carbon Freezing Chamber which is the nearest we see to heavy industrial has a certain design aesthetic panache to it).

Maybe you should plop them down in the Prequel Redux Thread too.

BarBar Jinkx said:

ok i.m blind what's the difference between the 2 mouths!

Look at the neck BarBar.

Bobocop said:

ben_danger said:

well they could get right close towards the climax in the tower, as all hell is breaking loose anyway.

as oppose to a fighter, why not a burning star destroyer crashing into the surface of the DS (aka force unleashed trailer), maybe as it crashes down, the tower shakes and at allows for luke to charge vader.

bits could then fall from the ceiling, and more sparks would fly. it would parallel ROTS with events happening on geonosis that directly intereact with the duel, like when the shields get disabled on the platforms?

I think you mean Mustafar :P

But all nitpicking aside, that sounds like a cool idea. Certainly not necessary, but would add a bit more worry for Luke's safety as it reminds the viewer that the station he is in is under attack.

 

For me the sabre duels are metaphors for the conflicts going on between and within the character's minds (which is why the duel in TPM doesn't work at all for me because we can't hear the thoughts in the form of dialogue...but then George did say that he thought they were just people bashing sticks together).

So having ships falling into the duel (while fun in video games) takes away from the personal, almost conversational, aspects of the duel.

In ROTS the environment boiling around Anakin and Obi-Wan serves as a metaphor for Anakin's rage that is about consume him.

While the Death Star coming apart might work as a metaphor for the Empire breaking apart (and perhaps more could be made of that when the Emperor dies) it doesn't really work with Luke and Vader's fight which is more of a internal stuggle between a fallen father who is trying to reclaim the idealism of his youth (as represented by his son) while at the same time trying to pass on the same damage and replicate his failure to validate it and a falling son who is struggling not to make the mistakes of his father while at the same time trying to repair the damage those mistakes made.

Luke and Vader are almost one character from two different points in time struggling to achieve balance and anything that gets in the way of that subtracts from that mythical struggle.

whiteelephant said:

This is utterly unwatchable.  I feels like the creator of this DVD just learned Final Cut Pro and thinks more editing = good editing.  It's the worst kind of ADD cutting.  I watched about 3 minutes before shutting it off and throwing the disc away.  Avoid.

This is just the sort of encouraging and positive feedback that boards like these need, and yes throwing away playable discs is a hideous waste.

This project may not be for you but it's certainly entertained and prompted interest for some people here and if you didn't like I'm sure someone else would.

If it was so wrong for you instead of throwing it away, why not re-edit the material in a manner you would find interesting and put that up for inspection (or at the very least offer some constructive criticism).

Passing judgement after three minutes is bizarre too, that's less time than most title sequences (your DVD bin collection must be bigger than Blockbusters).

vaderios said:

doubleofive said:

vaderios said:

Btw i have a question. In the matter how close should be the space battle as we see it from the Emperor's throne room windows, some state that the battle should be close but not so close because of the deathstar shield.The question well is how we see the tie fighters taking a fly by in the establishing shot of the Tower and not hitting the shield?

 

-Angel

I think it should be a bit closer (not them flying past the windows, obviously), until the shields drop and the ships get bigger and bigger as they head closer to bombard the surface.

Yep thats good one. I like how the ships are in ROTS battle during the lightsaber duel.

Not just far but they come under the observation tower. Thats my point for ROTJ:R

Thx :)

 

-Angel

 

Naturally if we went for the Death Star 3 twist we could move the Emperor's Death Star anywhere we wanted (though I still think it would be kept some distance away from the main battle so it didn't get caught in the crossfire).

If you scroll back a bit I did a mockup which had the Emperor's tower as a mockery of the Jedi Temple (Sith are basically inverted Jedi just as Satanists are inverted Christians) so having the Emperor building his tower in the shape of the Jedi Temple but sat on a weapon of mass destruction seemed to make sense.

Monroville said:

I know this won't happen, but again, an idea just to throw it out there:

I always wondered: what if Vader planned the whole thing so as to wipe out the Rebellion AND the Emperor, had his own men stationed throughout the Death Star and have something like the following happen:

(1) when the Emperor speaks of "and now they will face a fully-operational battle station!" and gives the command to open fire, add a scene with Vader pressing one of the buttons on his chest plate, whereas one of the control room troopers has maybe his "badge" light up.  After the first one or two laser swipes at the rebel ships, you see said trooper shoot the one beside him, press some buttons per the firing sequence, followed by:

(2) Death Star rakes laser through BOTH fleets, cutting the Executor in half and destroying it.  The Emperor looks in horror (could take Mace Windo attack scene for reference), then looks up to Vader, Vader looks down (with maybe a nice camera close-in) and chops off the Emperor's head (could take end of FRIDAY THE 13TH as reference).   As in: the wimpy "obedient" Vader was an act to get to this point, where he shows that he is still the Vader from EMPIRE.

This could have following scenes with Star Destroyers AND rebel ships firing on the Death Star together, as both sides realize that they have a much bigger problem (ie like the scene in THE ROCKETEER when the mafia and FBI are both shooting at the Nazis).   This could then lead to (and justify) a scene on Endor with an Imperial officer and rebel general shaking hands, forming the New Republic.

(3) Vader and Luke have their fight (where dialogue from Bespin fight could be re-used to emphasize Vader's plan to convince Luke that the two of them can rule together) , but it ends when Luke chops off Vader's hand (and pummels him with objects ripped off the walls).  Vader is crushed by Luke's power, but Luke still has moment of clarity and regains his composure.  Can still then segway to Luke taking Vader to shuttle and removing his mask.

(4) the difficult part would be how to work in Vader's redemption.  Maybe you could do it that Vader planned on a quasi-republic to satisfy Luke, and thus the plan to destroy the Emperor and all of his loyal troops (who were conveniently all there due to the Emp's and Vader's orders) to pave way for a new society.  Maybe during the duel Vader can hit Luke in the mechanical hand (which would give off sparks), so when Luke sees Vader's stump, it is a matter of BOTH of them realizing they are destroying each other.  The fact that (if such an idea is used, be it with Ady or someone else) Vader HAS destroyed the Emperor (and thus the old Empire), along with the importance of Luke FORGIVING him, maybe the combination of the two would justify "Anakin" coming back ala Obi Wan and Yoda.

Maybe when Luke is looking down on Vader, you could have Vader's (David Prowse's) eyes show through the tinted eye pieces ala A NEW HOPE - ie a look of terror as he is looking up at his son who is about to strike him dead, as well as an indication that yes, there is a man inside this suit.

While I'm sure Vader still thought of conquest, the idea that family still meant more than the Empire and/or that Vader was planning revenge ever since the Emperor first put him into the suit is an interesting one to play with.

Oh boy! Tru calling on the holophone.

Maybe the Death Star laser hitting the Executor idea could be worked into the Piett Insurrection idea but then again no, the superlaser on full power could take out a planet so even a big capital ship wouldn't stand a chance unless the batteries were low.

Monroville said:

EyeShotFirst said:

Monroville.

"You want the impossible" Though most of your Ideas were great like the Blade Runner style emperors Tower. but a project of that magnitude though amazing. Is a completely new movie ILM couldnt do that with their 3 year coffee breaks (i know they work hard but dayam some of you do more by yourself than they do with their army of editors) but the ideas are good just very hard to produce.

"YOUR TASTE BUDS CANT DEFLECT FLAVOR OF THAT MAGNATIUDE" Admiral Ackbar

I know, I know... >:)

Just wishlisting I guess.  I understand that quite a bit of it is just a matter of throwing it out there just to see what people think.  Maybe there is a way to do some of it, maybe not (and that's if Ady likes the idea).  The main point was to point out the PROBLEMS I have with JEDI and what could possibly be done to fix them in a more palatble way.  Other than taking shots from other movies (be it EMPIRE or even anything outside of STAR WARS) I don't see how a lot of it can be done.

 

There are lots of ways of getting these ideas done (building and filming physical models, making CGI ones, matte work etc).

The ideas are the important thing.

If you put ideas out there someone might be able to find a way.

If the ideas stay in your head no one will know about them.

Which country was this Boost?

Did they stay and watch the beginning after the end of the film?

If so it might be nice to try and track down trailers for other films on at the time and advert idents.

It was 1977 and I was seven years old, I was a big science fiction/fantasy fan already (I loved Doctor Who) and I was watching Tomorrow's World (which was a popular science show on BBC1 for many years) and they had an item about the cameras being used in this new film which seemed to have a blue Dalek, a man in a gold suit of armor, a man in a monkey suit, a man in a gask mask and they were flying WW2 planes down a canyon in a metal planet.

Naturally I wanted to know more.

I got the Marvel comics (with the paper X-Wing and Tie Fighters) and learned all about such characters as Ob-Van-Kenob and Biggs Darkliner and pestured my dad as only a seven year old can to take me to watch the thing (I'd only been to the cinema once before and it was a film called "Where The North Wind Blows" and like Mr and Mrs TheBoost my auntie took us in half way through).

The film came out the same time as Close Encounters (the poster was interesting) and when were getting ready to go out my dad warned me that it might be a long queue and we might not be able to get in if the tickets ran out.

The queue was long, very long and went all the way around the corner of the cinema and up the road.

My dad told me that we couldn't see it that day and had got us tickets for Close Encounters instead (while I was upset at this I was still looking forward to that film too so I didn't mind so much).

We sat down and then the words "A Long Time Ago In A Galaxy Far Far Away" came up, by the time the words STAR WARS shot away into the stars I was carried away  (my dad pulled a sneak surprise on us).

I've never really recovered.

We went on to seeing Close Encounters next week (which was a great film but was made even more memorable because there was a trailer for Star Wars shown before it).

A few years later there was a clip of a film called "Alien" and I begged my dad to take me to see that too (shame really because it was certificate X and I was nine) but that is another story.

Ripplin said:

Nice one, Sluggo. :)

My feeble skills are no match for the power of the Sluggo.

Will it be a reconstruction of what they actually saw (smoke plumes up the left and right sides from the smoking seats, the sound of Crusader nuts being rattled and choc-ice headache yelps) or what they thought they saw (Ewoks capturing R2 in 1977)?

vaderios said:

Still a bit impossible. i mean the AT-AT has to do a big debut like it comes in the battle after it broke some trees etc. So an AT-AT scene need to be extensive and no idea how ady can blend all  these elements. Plus AT-AT requires far shots and different camera angles. If you consider all that you may start donate to ady to buy an AT-AT repica... :D

 

-Angel

If he says he will try it I'm sure the money will come from somewhere.

And if he doesn't want to do it it should still get a mention on here just in case there is another who might add it after Ady has done what he wants to do.