Bingowings

ben_danger said:

maybe enstead of mace windu saying "i should end this once and for all" he could quote ezekiel like in pulp fiction...

 

it would explain how palpatine gets the upperhand...:P

 

Ezekiel 25:17

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

It's been done before :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie5yIITKlRo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4&feature=related

I tried to adjust the colour of the first screenshot so the blue between the trees matched up better in all the scenes and turn Leia hair back to brown but when I attempted to load it up here to show it the colour shifted again (Mac colour gamma perhaps?)

Nice to see those reflections on Threepio gone.

AxiaEuxine said :

Love this idea, I dont even care if it works with the rest of the movie... Maybe we should add mini skulls and things hanging off the Gungans belts too.

It does tie in with the rest of the movie already. The Ewoks are shown as being prepared to eat humans and wear and keep bones as tribal objects. Later they are seen to be a force capable of taking on defeating Imperial troops. They just lack motivation and direction to do it on a large scale, their God gives that to them so instead of picking off a few Stormtroopers here and there they can now take on an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops.

All that's changed is the tone. Instead of being funny little tribal teddy bears that eat people, they are a dangerous (all be it short) tribal race that eat people.

As for the Gungans (which are really a subject for the PT thread) adding skulls to them is changing their character (personally I don't think it matches what was intended for that race but it's a change that can be debated).

How can a fan-edit plagiarise another anyway?

Surely any fan-edit is an edit of someone else's work (in this case George Lucas).

Unless the chap is George he can't accuse anyone of plagiarism (and let's face it George pinched from everyone, Frank Herbert's family should take this fella to court).

Lots of editors trim him to tolerance or change him into something completely different but it's always nice to see an editors new take on that Jar Jar thing.

I'm sure Ady is keen on people doing their own thing but that's why there are other threads and what the post a new topic button is for.

This thread is about Ady's current project so it makes sense that people would be saying "Maybe you should do this" and "Perhaps you should do that", we aren't all Ady (unless I've not been keeping up with staff meetings) ;-)

Now that IS Burlesque Ripplin.

I thought you were suggesting that "Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young".

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

enough said.

 

(Puts on best Nichelle Nichols voice) "And what's that supposed to mean?"

G E Predator said:

Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

The cantina band works because it has that house band sound of films from the 30's and 40's but filtered through an alien lens.

The Jabba palace scene is an exotic dance, striptease (without the strip) scene and that's my main objection to either piece of music (the poor puppetry in the OUT and the poor CGI in the SE versions just add to the missmatch).

It should be debaunched and grotesque in a sleazy sort of way and neither piece of music matches the mood the scene is trying to convey.

I know that a lot of people are very attached to Lapti Nek (the album version) but I think both versions are just as bad as Jedi Rocks.

Examine the scene, it's basically a strip show/exotic dancer performance so rather than disco or funkish R&B it should be more alien Burlesque. (something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAa0filmYbs )

Enter (while we are on the subject) at your own risk (there are tassles not mention love handles) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuEoj4RZ38

The lighting in the village scenes does look a little fake sometimes (a bit like a studio set rather than a village in the trees...mmm funny that) perhaps someone with a proven track record for impressive Photoshop mock ups could try to make them look a bit more convincing?

Monroville said:On a similar note, anyone thought of maybe adding a slight glow to the Ewok eyes too (not to the extent of say the Jawas, but more like the replicants in BLADE RUNNER)?

Never added red eye to a picture before.

A few trophies added to the village could add to the cred of the Ewoks too (a little less slick/sick this time) :

What has this got to do with the doughnuts?

doubleofive said:

The problem with that is everyone's reaction to it.  Chewie and Han don't think anything of a dead animal on a stick, but Luke senses a trap.  A stormtrooper helmet on a stick with the head still inside it?  Definate trap, and might even freak Han out a bit.  Changing Han's line from "It's just a dead animal" to "It's just a stormtrooper head" is either extremely hilarious or extremely badass.

You could remove the line and speed up the sequence so Chewie reaches for it almost out of instinct, springing the trap without the heroes pondering what it means, keeping only Luke's warning.

Leaving in the "thinking with your stomach" line is either off or very on, we know Chewie isn't a Vegetarian from the theatrical cut and there are no Wookiee Stormtroopers so how is eating a dead human any different from eating a dead animal?

If the line is taken out or not we know Ewoks will eat humans (because they try to eat our heroes later) but now they are already pulling the heads off Stormtroopers and using them to bait traps, which adds to the surprise when we see what they are like.

But I'd keep the flesh in (the saga has arms and heads coming off all over the place so why not have a bit of neck gore?)

I'm a third of the way through and loving it to death.

Sure, it's not for everyone, sure, it's not something to sit through and watch in one go without a break, but it's an amazing kaleidoscope of just about everything we love, hate and take for granted about this Star Wars thing.

I'd say it's an important disc to have for a lot of fan-edit collectors.

It's certainly not the sort of bonus disc that Lucasfilm would put out but it does chronicle the cultural impact of the saga generally (and ROTS specifically) in a epic of the banal sort of way.

There's a lot of hard work and love in this project if you can get it and you get it, you will get a kick out of it.

+++UPDATE+++

Just got to the end and it's consistantly good, covers so much ground and is full of lovely little touches.

I don't think there has been anything quite like it before and it might be a long time, if ever, that anyone will attempt to do something like it again.

SilverKey said:

I like that idea, and your mock ups look great!

And it doesn't have to create a continuity error with the scene in the swamp in ESB, because R2 couldn't probably fire his boosters because he was under water, and he only flew out of the water because the creature spat him out.

It would be cool if it could be done with the footage from the prequels.

As I suggested in the ESB:R thread R2 could be let off there because of fear of setting off swamp gas so close to the X-Wing.

This change would make the Ewok's less cuddly and set them up as the sort of creatures that could take on the Empire (and also remove a cheap gag at the expense of Chewie's stomach...or give it a more icky undertone).

In a way saving the prequels and Jedi (for those who feel they require salvation) is a more rewarding challenge.

ANH and ESB are so highly regarded that almost any proposed change will be met with heresy accusations by the faithful (just rewind to the blue/grey TIE Fighter debate).

The PT (and Jedi to a lesser extent) offer more options for change without stamping on sacred ground.

The flip side being that to bring them up in quality significantly requires more imagination and a lot more work.

I think the important thing to remember in this kind of project (and please correct me if I'm out of line here) is to figure out what the story is that was attempted to be told and rework each film so they tell those stories in a way consistent with what went before.

For example ANH and ESB have humour but it's a bit more sophisticated than the childish slapstick and toilet humour we saw in the PT and ROTJ.

TPM had a very similar story to tell as ANH but where ANH takes us through that story in a linear fashion TPM darts all over the place.

A reworking of the PT and Jedi doesn't have to be a gutting exercise (apparently early edits of ANH were just as problematic as the PT).

Shifting elements around and replacing what is beyond repair can tell the same stories but in a way that sits better (not that I'm against projects which tell very different stories too but these projects don't seem to be in that vein).

I shall stop now as this is the ESB:R thread but I'm looking forward (a long way off) to seeing what Ady and others do with PT perhaps even more than I'm looking forward to this project (and this one is going to be like several childhood Christmases arriving at once).

Monroville said:

vaderios said:

I see George Lucas's car waiting..

No kidding visible set anyways.

If you look for a microsecond you ll see that the reflection flashes too

 

-Angel

Oh my god... is that a FENCE?!?

 

This shot also illustrates how taking a idea from the PT can actually help save the sick child in the OT family.

Lucas has Artoo push Threepio many feet off the edge the barge to land right next to a giant explosion, only to be picked up with a magnet which comes from nowhere for a slapstick ending (George WHY?).

As I posted elesewhere those jets which don't make much sense in the PT make much more sense deployed here.

AxiaEuxine said:

I gotta stop coming here, I never noticed that flipped shot before. That will bug the shit out of me now. Im gonna tell my self that Cloud city has symetrical architecture and thats why it looks the same...yeah thats it.

Looking at the two images side by side it does look like a U corner in a Maze.

Almost as if the Bespin residents are caught off guard by the troopers (there may be some tension to be had by having random Bespin residents A,B or C getting hit in the cross fire).

Monroville said:

adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

I love you man, but I should punch you from clear across the pond for that... <:O
Just for that I send you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQVyVyeWho

Enjoy... wait a minute... is it me or are her eyes looking in two separate directions?



In the words of Richard Pryor: Cocaine is one HELL of a drug!

I found this when searching for the pic above, and just had to add this in:

There is good entertainment, and then there is bad entertainment. Then there is the so-bad-that-it's-good zone, but the Star Wars Holiday Special occupies a hitherto undiscovered region on the spectrum. It is so bad that it saps one's will to live. It is a malignant hydra with the faces of those we know and love and a body of pure evil. Sections of the original film intercut with this lowband video mess serve only to remind you how far removed this TV 'special' is from the film in quality and budget. George Lucas has said he would like to see every copy of this show burned, but I think the original films would be better served if everyone could see this frightening example of what happens when the right characters fall into the wrong hands.
-Ben Slotover

Actually some of the Anakin/Padme scenes, the Gungans and a few of the Ewok moments could fit into this scene very well.

Perhaps someone should do a worst of Star Wars project.

adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

That is what I believe is referred to in modern parlance as "Sick" .

In a similar vein this is beyond "out there" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD9zzCOxojc

As for actual serious replacement styles I'd go for something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEkVaFGhtAs

ChainsawAsh said:

I think the official EU (read: bullshit ass-covering) explanation is that the warranty on Artoo's jets had expired by the time of the OT, forcing his CPU to lock them off, or something stupid like that.

I think they should be removed from the PT, not added to the OT.  I thought they were ridiculous and, frankly, stupid.

I thought as a device it made sense, Artoo is an astrodroid, he has to work outside ships and the jets would come in handy for that and in that respect I don't mind it being introduced into the OT if and only if it made sense and for me it actually makes more sense to use it in that scene of ROTJ than either of the times it was used in the PT.

But in ESB it's never necessary.

You could argue that Artoo might have avoided falling to floor when Luke was destracted while lifting him with the Force but he was surprised and they seem to need to warm up before being used.

And the marsh gas problem is a much better get around for avoiding falling in the bog than Capt Antilles not keeping up on his warranty payments is in EU.

Cibernite said:

Sounds like You want to do Vader like in ROTJ Infinities With out the White Armor.  That is the only thing I hate about the Comic.To me Vader is Not Vader without the black Armor. In a story I'm doing, Vader did survive the Battle of Endor but He's no longer in the star Wars Galaxy He's in our Galaxy fighting against Evil Forces. Sort of like Batman in The Dark Knight. You really don't know which side he's on until he acts.  I like the idea of Vader surviving. The viewer doesn't need to see him after Luke takes him to the shuttle. He could be undergoing repairs on the Medical Frigate while the others are on Endor celebrating.

White hat Vader??

As much as I like the Infinities range and it might make an interesting alternate take, I can't see it as a general improvement idea.

The Anakin we got was bad enough but to have him still under the mask after Jedi but acting all David Boreanaz?

How do you atone for hacking toddlers to bits with a laser sword (without at the very least dying a bit)?

I'd need a lot of convincing to see that idea with legs (or even workable stumps).