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#351307
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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G E Predator said:
Bingowings said:
G E Predator said:
Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

enough said.

 

(Puts on best Nichelle Nichols voice) "And what's that supposed to mean?"

 

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#351304
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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G E Predator said:
Bingowings said:

Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

 

okay, but let me ask you this:  Did you see ROTJ in theaters in 1983?

Very yes.

 

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#351298
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Star Wars usually takes an idea from elsewhere in the history of film and distorts it to make it fit into the fantasy realm it's in, Coruscant is all the big cities from the golden age of cinema placed end to end and pulled up and up, Han is all the wild west roguish heroes (only with a space ship) etc.

The fantasy realm itself is pulled from myths and saga's from throughout history, it's an Arthurian Samurai Biblical Sheherazade Western in outer space.

Jedi Rocks and Lapti Nek just remind me of The Android Sisters in the original Battlestar Galactica (which is ironic as they were meant to be their take of the Cantina Band).

G E Predator said : People watched and enjoyed it in 1977, 1980 and 1983 and no one asked questions. It worked very well for the audience back then, and it still works just as well today. Sound in space and English-speaking aliens are all part of Lucas' masterpeice.

People have watched Jedi since 1983 and remarked about not liking that scene and the SE made more people unhappy than happy with it. Back in 1983 no one ever expected films to be reworked (the special edition of Close Encounters was the only well known reworking). Now things can be changed with a great deal of hard work and that's what fan-editing it about, it doesn't erase the original version or the SE version from history if it is changed, it just means that there can be other options out there.

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#351290
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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The cantina band works because it has that house band sound of films from the 30's and 40's but filtered through an alien lens.

The Jabba palace scene is an exotic dance, striptease (without the strip) scene and that's my main objection to either piece of music (the poor puppetry in the OUT and the poor CGI in the SE versions just add to the missmatch).

It should be debaunched and grotesque in a sleazy sort of way and neither piece of music matches the mood the scene is trying to convey.

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#351285
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I know that a lot of people are very attached to Lapti Nek (the album version) but I think both versions are just as bad as Jedi Rocks.

Examine the scene, it's basically a strip show/exotic dancer performance so rather than disco or funkish R&B it should be more alien Burlesque. (something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAa0filmYbs )

Enter (while we are on the subject) at your own risk (there are tassles not mention love handles) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuEoj4RZ38

 

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#351273
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Monroville said:On a similar note, anyone thought of maybe adding a slight glow to the Ewok eyes too (not to the extent of say the Jawas, but more like the replicants in BLADE RUNNER)?

Never added red eye to a picture before.

Ewok eyes 2

A few trophies added to the village could add to the cred of the Ewoks too (a little less slick/sick this time) :

Ewoks Kill

 

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#351238
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doubleofive said:

The problem with that is everyone's reaction to it.  Chewie and Han don't think anything of a dead animal on a stick, but Luke senses a trap.  A stormtrooper helmet on a stick with the head still inside it?  Definate trap, and might even freak Han out a bit.  Changing Han's line from "It's just a dead animal" to "It's just a stormtrooper head" is either extremely hilarious or extremely badass.

You could remove the line and speed up the sequence so Chewie reaches for it almost out of instinct, springing the trap without the heroes pondering what it means, keeping only Luke's warning.

Leaving in the "thinking with your stomach" line is either off or very on, we know Chewie isn't a Vegetarian from the theatrical cut and there are no Wookiee Stormtroopers so how is eating a dead human any different from eating a dead animal?

If the line is taken out or not we know Ewoks will eat humans (because they try to eat our heroes later) but now they are already pulling the heads off Stormtroopers and using them to bait traps, which adds to the surprise when we see what they are like.

But I'd keep the flesh in (the saga has arms and heads coming off all over the place so why not have a bit of neck gore?)

 

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#351234
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'Thee Backslacpkping With Media'
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I'm a third of the way through and loving it to death.

Sure, it's not for everyone, sure, it's not something to sit through and watch in one go without a break, but it's an amazing kaleidoscope of just about everything we love, hate and take for granted about this Star Wars thing.

I'd say it's an important disc to have for a lot of fan-edit collectors.

It's certainly not the sort of bonus disc that Lucasfilm would put out but it does chronicle the cultural impact of the saga generally (and ROTS specifically) in a epic of the banal sort of way.

There's a lot of hard work and love in this project if you can get it and you get it, you will get a kick out of it.

+++UPDATE+++

Just got to the end and it's consistantly good, covers so much ground and is full of lovely little touches.

I don't think there has been anything quite like it before and it might be a long time, if ever, that anyone will attempt to do something like it again.

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#351218
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Info & Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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SilverKey said:

I like that idea, and your mock ups look great!

And it doesn't have to create a continuity error with the scene in the swamp in ESB, because R2 couldn't probably fire his boosters because he was under water, and he only flew out of the water because the creature spat him out.

It would be cool if it could be done with the footage from the prequels.

As I suggested in the ESB:R thread R2 could be let off there because of fear of setting off swamp gas so close to the X-Wing.

This change would make the Ewok's less cuddly and set them up as the sort of creatures that could take on the Empire (and also remove a cheap gag at the expense of Chewie's stomach...or give it a more icky undertone).

Ewoks are deadly serious.

 

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#351214
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STAR WARS: EP V &quot;REVISITED EDITION&quot;<strong>ADYWAN</strong> - <strong>12GB 1080p MP4 VERSION AVAILABLE NOW</strong>
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In a way saving the prequels and Jedi (for those who feel they require salvation) is a more rewarding challenge.

ANH and ESB are so highly regarded that almost any proposed change will be met with heresy accusations by the faithful (just rewind to the blue/grey TIE Fighter debate).

The PT (and Jedi to a lesser extent) offer more options for change without stamping on sacred ground.

The flip side being that to bring them up in quality significantly requires more imagination and a lot more work.

I think the important thing to remember in this kind of project (and please correct me if I'm out of line here) is to figure out what the story is that was attempted to be told and rework each film so they tell those stories in a way consistent with what went before.

For example ANH and ESB have humour but it's a bit more sophisticated than the childish slapstick and toilet humour we saw in the PT and ROTJ.

TPM had a very similar story to tell as ANH but where ANH takes us through that story in a linear fashion TPM darts all over the place.

A reworking of the PT and Jedi doesn't have to be a gutting exercise (apparently early edits of ANH were just as problematic as the PT).

Shifting elements around and replacing what is beyond repair can tell the same stories but in a way that sits better (not that I'm against projects which tell very different stories too but these projects don't seem to be in that vein).

I shall stop now as this is the ESB:R thread but I'm looking forward (a long way off) to seeing what Ady and others do with PT perhaps even more than I'm looking forward to this project (and this one is going to be like several childhood Christmases arriving at once).

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#351211
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Monroville said:
vaderios said:

I see George Lucas's car waiting..

No kidding visible set anyways.

If you look for a microsecond you ll see that the reflection flashes too

 

-Angel

Oh my god... is that a FENCE?!?

 

This shot also illustrates how taking a idea from the PT can actually help save the sick child in the OT family.

Lucas has Artoo push Threepio many feet off the edge the barge to land right next to a giant explosion, only to be picked up with a magnet which comes from nowhere for a slapstick ending (George WHY?).

As I posted elesewhere those jets which don't make much sense in the PT make much more sense deployed here.

Jedi Jets 1

Jedi Jets 2

 

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#351205
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AxiaEuxine said:

I gotta stop coming here, I never noticed that flipped shot before. That will bug the shit out of me now. Im gonna tell my self that Cloud city has symetrical architecture and thats why it looks the same...yeah thats it.

Looking at the two images side by side it does look like a U corner in a Maze.

Almost as if the Bespin residents are caught off guard by the troopers (there may be some tension to be had by having random Bespin residents A,B or C getting hit in the cross fire).

 

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#351203
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Info &amp; Ideas: ESB and ROTJ Wishlist
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Monroville said:
adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

I love you man, but I should punch you from clear across the pond for that... <:O
Just for that I send you this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYQVyVyeWho

Enjoy... wait a minute... is it me or are her eyes looking in two separate directions?



In the words of Richard Pryor: Cocaine is one HELL of a drug!

I found this when searching for the pic above, and just had to add this in:

There is good entertainment, and then there is bad entertainment. Then there is the so-bad-that-it's-good zone, but the Star Wars Holiday Special occupies a hitherto undiscovered region on the spectrum. It is so bad that it saps one's will to live. It is a malignant hydra with the faces of those we know and love and a body of pure evil. Sections of the original film intercut with this lowband video mess serve only to remind you how far removed this TV 'special' is from the film in quality and budget. George Lucas has said he would like to see every copy of this show burned, but I think the original films would be better served if everyone could see this frightening example of what happens when the right characters fall into the wrong hands.
-Ben Slotover

Actually some of the Anakin/Padme scenes, the Gungans and a few of the Ewok moments could fit into this scene very well.

Perhaps someone should do a worst of Star Wars project.

 

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#351202
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adywan said:

well i have had an idea of what to replace Jedi Rocks with in ROTJ

ROTJ Jedi rocks replacement

That is what I believe is referred to in modern parlance as "Sick" .

In a similar vein this is beyond "out there" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD9zzCOxojc

As for actual serious replacement styles I'd go for something like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEkVaFGhtAs

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#351086
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ChainsawAsh said:

I think the official EU (read: bullshit ass-covering) explanation is that the warranty on Artoo's jets had expired by the time of the OT, forcing his CPU to lock them off, or something stupid like that.

I think they should be removed from the PT, not added to the OT.  I thought they were ridiculous and, frankly, stupid.

I thought as a device it made sense, Artoo is an astrodroid, he has to work outside ships and the jets would come in handy for that and in that respect I don't mind it being introduced into the OT if and only if it made sense and for me it actually makes more sense to use it in that scene of ROTJ than either of the times it was used in the PT.

But in ESB it's never necessary.

You could argue that Artoo might have avoided falling to floor when Luke was destracted while lifting him with the Force but he was surprised and they seem to need to warm up before being used.

And the marsh gas problem is a much better get around for avoiding falling in the bog than Capt Antilles not keeping up on his warranty payments is in EU.

 

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#351085
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Cibernite said:

Sounds like You want to do Vader like in ROTJ Infinities With out the White Armor.  That is the only thing I hate about the Comic.To me Vader is Not Vader without the black Armor. In a story I'm doing, Vader did survive the Battle of Endor but He's no longer in the star Wars Galaxy He's in our Galaxy fighting against Evil Forces. Sort of like Batman in The Dark Knight. You really don't know which side he's on until he acts.  I like the idea of Vader surviving. The viewer doesn't need to see him after Luke takes him to the shuttle. He could be undergoing repairs on the Medical Frigate while the others are on Endor celebrating.

White hat Vader??

As much as I like the Infinities range and it might make an interesting alternate take, I can't see it as a general improvement idea.

The Anakin we got was bad enough but to have him still under the mask after Jedi but acting all David Boreanaz?

How do you atone for hacking toddlers to bits with a laser sword (without at the very least dying a bit)?

I'd need a lot of convincing to see that idea with legs (or even workable stumps).

 

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#351060
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Dangerous Incorporated said:
Bingowings said:
Dangerous Incorporated said:

In the prequels and CW Series we see R2 use his rockets which we didnt at all in the originals. Could R2 use his rockets to get into the X-Wing when Luke is on Dagobah when Luke leaves to help Leia and Han? As we saw on ANH, it seemed liked a big production to get the droids in the ship. But then in ESB there isnt anyway for him to get in.

 

I know this was breifly covered a few pages back but I though showing R2 boosting his way into the X-Wing and/or boosting his way out on Cloud City.

Using rockets right next to a vehicle in the middle of a swamp, might turn out to be explosive.

If R2's rockets were to make a OT appearence it makes more sense to me that he would use it to escape Jabba's barge (and an awful slapstick gag) in ROTJ.

 

I dont see why it would be explosive as Ive seen in the CW series R2 boost his way into Anakins fighter. The swamp wouldnt be combustible either as its mostly muddy water.

 

An ideal medium for swamp gas.

 

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#351056
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Dangerous Incorporated said:

In the prequels and CW Series we see R2 use his rockets which we didnt at all in the originals. Could R2 use his rockets to get into the X-Wing when Luke is on Dagobah when Luke leaves to help Leia and Han? As we saw on ANH, it seemed liked a big production to get the droids in the ship. But then in ESB there isnt anyway for him to get in.

 

I know this was breifly covered a few pages back but I though showing R2 boosting his way into the X-Wing and/or boosting his way out on Cloud City.

Using rockets right next to a vehicle in the middle of a swamp, might turn out to be explosive.

If R2's rockets were to make a OT appearence it makes more sense to me that he would use it to escape Jabba's barge (and an awful slapstick gag) in ROTJ.

 

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#351035
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vbangle said:
Bingowings said:
vbangle said:
Bingowings said:

My attitude to the glow effects is that if it works why not do it?

Easy for you to say, you're not the one who is spending his every waking hour working to get this edit done. If the glow effect is so important you could always do it yourself.

 

With respect vbangle you appear to have quoted a post without reading it fully, if you re-read the whole post you will correctly gauge my tone and get the answer to your question.

 

I think you misunderstood my tone. I was not trying to be overly critical of your suggestion. I understand what you were saying. I enjoy your posts and viewpoints. Was just having a discussion.

I love how others who are OT virgins to this forum can criticize others or spam a thread with little or no reaction by anybody, I make a critique by expressing MY OPINION and its spurs some idiot who has NEVER contributed anything to this board ever to post a bitch.....LAME.

 

Seeing as my understanding of the effort involved and that this is Ady's project was impllicit in my post and that I placed no great importance (only possible merit) to the idea (which was not my own) it's easy to see how your tone might be misconstrued.

The use of un-diplomatic phrases like bitch, lame, idiot and referring to new contributers as mere OT virgins can only lead to a continued misreading of your intensions.

If you moderate your choice of words I'm sure everyone will get along with you just fine and new comers will be less likely to jump to (unfounded) conclusions about you and more likely to contribute something of a Star Wars nature to their posts.

 

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#351028
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Welcome from beyond the shadows frank.

vbangle like all of us here contributes and that alone is a positive that outways any misunderstandings that people might accidentally wander into on boards like this.

Everyone on here knows how much work Ady is putting into these projects (just as all of the editors on here do, editing generally is hard graft and projects like these even more so) but surely the point of posting opinions and ideas is to help each other make our projects as good as they can be (not to obstruct people or put them down and off from editing or contributing intellectually).

If we don't give our ideas and opinions they stay stuck in our skulls where they are no use to anyone.

An idea or an opinion is not a demand that a particular editor does something (not from this side of my computer screen anyway).

It's a donation of time and effort to a cause that the contributor feels is worthy of the effort.

Many of the changes that Ady has made came from suggestions that have been made here (some of which Ady changed his mind about after initially feeling that he wouldn't do it)and the same goes for other editors here.

As long as suggestions and opinions are constructive and polite, even if they aren't taken up, they are better out in the wild where someone might make use of them than hidden in the back of someone's mind.

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#351026
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vbangle said:
Bingowings said:

My attitude to the glow effects is that if it works why not do it?

Easy for you to say, you're not the one who is spending his every waking hour working to get this edit done. If the glow effect is so important you could always do it yourself.

 

With respect vbangle you appear to have quoted a post without reading it fully, if you re-read the whole post you will correctly gauge my tone and get the answer to your question.

 

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#351022
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My attitude to the glow effects is that if it works why not do it?

There could be many reasons why the effect doesn't work on Vader so adding a few here and there where it adds something artistically to the non-masked characters makes sense to me.

There aren't that many shots where it would have added anything to ANH anyway (the Death Star corridor was too light and Luke on the Falcon and in Ben's hut weren't combat situations so nothing artistic would have been added to the scene by adding the glow, the only scene where it might have added something was in the Cantina scene) so not having it in ANH:R isn't really a problem for me.

The glow on Luke with Vader baring down on him adds to the sense of peril, so it does something artistically, a glare on Luke trying out his sabre for the first time doesn't really add much.

Though I appreciate it's more work and as always it's Ady's edit so the decisions are all his to make.