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SilverWook said:

I can't find it on Youtube, but I did find what appears to be some fascinating behind the scenes footage from the shoot!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B_69vakbrc

Interesting that bits of the Death Star docking bay control room set were still around when this was shot. (Circa 1979?)

Chunks were repainted and put into the Executor set in ESB (possibly including the bit that is replaced by the televison behind a plastic dome thing here) so it makes sense that other bits would still be tucked away in Elstree as late as then (they might have hoped to recycle them too).

rcb said:

EyeShotFirst said:

The Idea of just ending ROTS with anikan burning in the flames is just too good. We dont really need flashbacks but it would help tie in the PT to the OT. But still how do we remedy the whole vader was a pupil of mine and was suduced by the darkside thing. If we did dreams with anikan. We could just add shots of vader swinging his saber about through the home of padme. and add screams. But leave the anikan padme scream out of return of the jedi. Their is enough tension in that scene alone and plus we by that time know what is going through his mind and we know what happened to him by the simple line. Noooo I am your father. that already clears it all up. But still that scene in A New Hope were Obi Wan said vader was a pupil of mine until he was suduced by the darkside. We could though look at it from the shakespeare aspect of irony in which you know what the character doesnt know. for instance Luke does not know that vader is his father and obi is hiding that from him but YOU know it. Hell if romeo and juliet can pull that off and be one of the masterpieces of all time then why not. So you know who vader is obi wan knows who vader is but luke does not know who vader REALLY IS until he reveals with the line "I am your father" you see and luke really doesnt know it. Even obi wan admits in ROTJ that he lied to protect Luke and Leia from the Emperor and Vader. It works and still makes sense. But ROTS ending with anikan in the flames really pumps things up with a what is gonna happen next and A New Hope you find out hes mean and in a black suit.

i think flashbacks would be cool. when i watch that scene, i just think back on how sweet a kid he used to be and how that little boy could become something so evil. and i got teary eyed when the ewok died. i don't wanna see anymore of that. :(

It's not even certain that Corpsey actually dies and we should feel upset when people get killed in battles.

The problem with ROTJ is that it tries so hard to be a happy jolly upbeat ending with all the loose ends tied off that it feels fake.

No victory is ever complete, not all the good guys win, not all the bad guys lose.

Star Wars is a fantasy but even myths have a bitter sweetness to their endings, Arthur must be taken to Avalon, Robin Hood must die, Lando and the Falcon should go bang.

Darth Lars said:

Monroville said:

If anyone has seen the www.pinkfive.com spots, could it be conceivable to get the guy who does their Obi-Wan impersonations to dub over Ewan's lines?  Ewan is one of the better actors in the PTs, but that's not saying much.  It wouldn't just be a matter of having someone who sounds even more like Alec Guinness but also someone who could impart a little more seriousness...

Whoever you get to impersonate Alec Guinness, I think that he should try to impersonate the voice of Alec Guinness in an earlier work, when he was younger. I think that the tone of voice that Obi-Wan uses as Luke's mentor would be inappropriate for most of the prequels, as he is not in that role and in other circumstances.

If you watch films like "The Man In The White Suit" Alec Guinness' voice didn't change that much as he got older and in that film he is playing a young, slightly naive but altruistically driven man, learning a trade that most people don't understand (rather like learning to be a Jedi).

I don't think the Empire tortures people in party dresses.

They even made Han take his jacket off.

vaderios said: Good but i think that the whole sunset feeling is lost with all the orange gone ;)

On second thoughts he looks more like Doc Brown, especially with that hair.

"Our intelligence points to disgruntled Libyans looking for some crazy wide eyed scientist."

The puppet is beyond saving by just colouring/lighting adjustment (I just got a bit excited when I saw the puppet looking a bit more like Yoda).

Dear Lord it's Denis Healey:

Oh again no, this is Denis Healey.

I've never seen that MTV parody before, worked rather well it did, humm?

The real biggy is the lack of jaw line and cleft chin in the OT Yoda (who built the TPM puppet Michael Jackson's plastic surgeon)?

It doesn't matter what I do I can't get it to look (character wise) quite as right as my accidental effort, this one looks like Jimmy Savile:

It's great to read how you have built upon the ideas you liked from seeing other edits, adding your own imagination and skill to the mix and I'm really looking forward to seeing these.

I'm also intrigued to see how other people will run with your ideas too, it's like watching evolution happening right before before your eyes only with... Star Wars (sorry but I appear to be suffering from acute Nerdmonia).

There must be some nice high rez Falcon dashboard photos out there somewhere we can play with.

Bienvenue Jipsu!

Hope to hear more from you.

ben_danger said:

what if anakin keeps on having dreams of being murdered by Vader? perhaps that is what he is chasing enstead of padmes death, or maybe he sees vader kill her too, and then slay an epIII aged obiwan, then slay a baby.

 

could be in that weird slow motion like the cave on dagoba

That could work, it would certainly blur the line between Vader and Anakin but only if it was done ESB style and not in the ROTS style.

We could just see a darkened gloved hand and hear Padme call out for Anakin as she gasped for breath but then we have the problem of why is she there if not try to save her husband (she could still be trying to do that but it would have to be something that only clicked into place for the first time viewer when they watched ESB)?

Perhaps the Seperatists contacted her to beg for an armistice (Nute Gunray can be over-dubbed) only to be killed by Darth Vader before she gets there.

The original is very low in contrast but please give it a go yourself as I said I was actually trying to do something else and it just suddenly started looking like Yoda (of all people).

It would be funny if a colour change could rescue the ugliest puppet in the Star Wars universe.

++UPDATE++

I'm beginning to think this looks more Yodaish because the contrast is too high (it's making those awful eyes actually look dark like the Yoda of old).

Chrille said:

The problem comes when Obi-Wan calls Vader his pupil, and says that Vader killed Luke's father. A prequel viewer would know that Obi-Wan never had a student called Vader, and that indeed Anakin was his only student. Wouldn't that make the viewer figure out Vader's identity?

When we meet Anakin in ROTS he is a Jedi Knight, Obi-Wan could have had other pupils after Anakin and a few bread crumbs could be left at the scene like having Palpatine refer to Vader before Anakin's fall (because Palpatine has already decided that's what his new apprentice will be called before he has fallen).

Though I have said that re-colouring isn't that radical a change, there may be one possible exception.

Everyone seems to agree that the TPM puppet was rubbish, but this kind of happened by accident so perhaps someone could try and replicate the effect?

EyeShotFirst said:

Yes Yes Yes. Have anikan supposedly die in the fire. Hell yes it is perfect. And remove some of the emperors join the darkside tones and then it would work perfect. If we absolutely had to we could just add a shot of vader on a ship thinking and going against my hating flashbacks have a flash back of the emperor getting darth from the flames of course it would be before the emperor arrived in ROTJ but absolutely has to be after the I am your father part or even after yoda and obi telling luke vader is his father. or we could show the scenes with obi wan saying vader was suduced by the dark side and luke and leia were hidden from him while showing the last bits of ROTS it would totally work. coz obi wan and luke sitting on the stump is boring add the clips of course thats just my extension of bingowings words.

It would be much better to have Anakin appear to die defending Mace.

And a masked Sith Lord called Darth Vader fall into the flames.

"This Nurhaci must be a real small guy" 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurhaci 

My feeling about the Vader suits is that a good case could have been made for Vader updating his suit between films if the suit in ROTS had looked quite a bit more retro than the one he wore in ANH. (see the Radical Prequel Redux Thread for details).

Instead we got a very tidy hybrid of all the OT suits which looked more advanced than the one he wore in ANH, which like so many of George's decisions creates more problems than were there before hand.

If someone fixed the ROTS suit the updating theory would automatically correct any continuity issues with Vader in the OT.

Don't worry, once the new trailer comes out I'm sure there will a lot to talk about.

As for the data screen on the Falcon (though I don't think it's actually necessary) it could be a nice project which might be useful more for ROTJ:R during the Endor Battle but might work here too.

Unless we are going to alter the glow from the screen it would have to be mostly blue.

Perhaps the Nav Computer from TPM would be a better guide as it's onscreen longer and the two ships are closer to each other in size.

I'm stuck because I can't find good shots of the screens but here's the best I could under the circumstances (I'm sure other people could do a lot better) :

Monroville said:

If anyone has seen the www.pinkfive.com spots, could it be conceivable to get the guy who does their Obi-Wan impersonations to dub over Ewan's lines?  Ewan is one of the better actors in the PTs, but that's not saying much.  It wouldn't just be a matter of having someone who sounds even more like Alec Guinness but also someone who could impart a little more seriousness...

And those DARK SIDE clips are pretty amazing!  It goes to show that even with just the editing you can damn near completely alter the feel of the movie.  Add in some different music (I love the add-in of the RAIDERS Marion music) and redub damn near all the voices and we may just have something!

You know, after watching this clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOzZ-MkX27I&feature=channel), is there any way someone could do a reverse TEMPLE OF DOOM (with the bar in Shanghai called OBI WAN) and name the bar MARCUS' PLACE, TYRELL'S or something along that line?

The Lao Che Club, Nurhaci Bar, all good options (even if only Aurebesh readers would know).

Jon Culshaw (famous for his Tom Baker impersonation) also does a really good Alec Guinness : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qT2tPZtcz8

I'm such a terrible jaded film nerd that I really couldn't help but notice but that's part of the fun.

Out of Chekov's ear and almost into Padme's, nice job though, especially the recolouring and light adjustment.

We are the sort of people who bugger up peoples enjoyment of films by pointing out flip shots so not noticing the Ceti Alpha V earwiggy things and the like is unlikely but then I want Edward James Olmos in Jedi so who am I to talk?

While we are on the subject of inserting celebrity cameos into Star Wars films I'm keen to stick Sun Ra onto the Jedi Council too.

It was the nearest thing I could find that matched the description.

Here it is I think...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_S6UgkQk0

If the Ewoks instantly think Threepio is a god I thought it might be nice to show they have a god like Threepio.

ben_danger said:

blow pipes would be cool to give that pygmy image.

 

did anyone think anything of having stuff carved into trees, and grizzly charms hanging from the branches?

A few details like this face carved into a living tree might be nice:

DuTwan said: 

Dooku being a Sith is a good idea, remember Sidious only uses Dooku to start the war and Dooku is but a 'nesserary loss'. Making him a rogue jedi starts bringing up issues like 'grey' jedi etc.

 

Surely Palpatine's description of his former master as someone who could "Save the ones he loved" (not forgetting the possibility he could be lying through his teeth) creates a grey area for the Sith too.

There could be a strong case made for lapsed Jedi who don't fully accept and participate in the Sith way of life but act in ways which could be described as evil, just as much as wavering Sith who embrace Sith teachings but aren't totally and irredeemably evil like Darths Plagueis and Vader.

It adds a level of complexity to their roles which lends credibility to Anakin/Vader's fall.

It makes it easier to believe (even through Hayden's flimsy performance) that Anakin is sincere when he comes to the conclusion that the Jedi are evil and that acting the way he does is for a greater good. The Jedi certainly share some responsibility for how Anakin turns out and going by the way Yoda and Obi-Wan rather wantonly manipulate Luke, it's a lesson they don't ever truly learn from.

In a sense the chosen one role of Anakin, bringing the force into balance (something some editors want to remove) creates the polarised world of light and shade we see in the OT out of a more grey world in the PT.

Good and evil exist throughout the saga but in the PT the division between them is more murky.

Chrille said:

oh_riginal said:

This has probably already been brought up, beat down, destroyed, and rebuilt, only to be beat down again, but...

... I would really love it if R2-D2's beeps were changed to fit in with the rest of the Star Wars saga!!!!!

Even the PT got the beeps right. What the hell is up with R2's beeps in ROTJ? That has always bugged me, even when I was a little kid.

 

To quote C-3PO: I heartily agree with you, sir.

R2's beeps suck in ROTJ, and it has bothered me for some time. I know it will be time-consuming, but I hope ady corrects this.

To be honest I never noticed Artoo's beeps being off in ROTJ but in ROTS they were really all over the place (the Tellytubbyish "uh-oh" being a partically ugly utterance...even Artoo got a rubbish script on that gig).

I'll have to listen again.

Darth Piccolo said:

vaderios said:

I continue this conv away from ESB:R thread

Adywan said:

a lot of the problems with the PT looking like a video game is the colouring, which i will be sorting out

Thats True. Plus how everything look fake and in some cases bad composited in AOTC compare with the ROTS

 

-Angel

 

hey vaderious any chance of replacing the background of that scene in AOTC with the one in ROTS

Part of the problem with that shot (besides Mekon Yoda) is that TPM pink tint again having a little holiday in AOTC. If the carpet got the ROTS treament (as in rolled up though it's obviously meant to be a different level) it might look alright (I just can't stand the Yodamobile, "For my ally is the Force and a powerful ally it is...but can't be bovverd to use it can I, when floaty chair machine I have.").

I think the world is big enough for different edits with different ideas about lightsabre colour schemes.

Adopting a particular rationale behind what (if anything) the colours mean could become an editor's imprimatur so you instantly know which one you are watching (there's Magnoliafan's orangey Dooku blade, there's Jason's grandmaster purple).

I always saw Mace as a kind of Council Enforcer (making sure the Jedi aren't breaking their own rules) which is why he can't believe Dooku would assassinate Padme because he'd have to have passed extra character tests to be raised to that level. It also explains why he gives Anakin such a hard time all of the time.

Yoda seems more like a Council Chaplain teaching children, offering pastoral care for the spiritual and emotional needs of the Jedi and keeping the basic philosophy of the Jedi alive.

All Jedi Masters are Jedi Masters though (they can all do certain things to a certain level) though it would make some sense if they held specialised positions based on their particular strengths.

Maybe the Empire would never have risen if they had made Anakin the sulky child murdering master.