Bingowings

If Stacey from Pink Five can make it into the EU (and presumably be made into an action figure somewhere down the line) maybe Adywan's additions will eventually gain universal acceptance and add to the huge pile of plastic bits that future archaeologists won't have a clue ever existed once humanity wipes itself out and the cockroaches start wearing fedoras and waving whips about.

Mess fixed Angel, though I charge you with doing what you do so well, only even more so.

How's that for punishment?

Syfa-Dias...there's a bit of a drag it might be possible to slip in some reference to him actually being a Council member during TPM (only to die under mysterious circumstances by AOTC).

Maybe just sticking a quiet line of dialogue having Obi-Wan address "Master Dias" when he thinks the meeting about Anakin is over.

So instead of implicating himself Dooku's references to the archives are now hinting that something is going on in the council that he doesn't approve of.

Symbiont circle restored...situation normal :-)

vaderios said:

"So say we all!"

What is that? From what movie is or who said it?

 

-Angel

It's the "May The Force Be With You" of the new version of Battlestar Galactica.

Sluggo said:

Dooku with a purple saber.  I likes it.

While we are exploring this, we also need to be mindful that Dooku has an alter-ego in the movies.  Tyranus needs to be dealt with as well if we are making Dooku a rogue/fallen Jedi.

What say ye?

Tyrannus only gets a mention in a few scenes which perhaps Jason has snipped around already.

Mielr said:

REPORTER: "Are you a Mod or a Rocker?"

RINGO: "I'm a Mocker."

;-)

But are you bigger than Rod?

JasonN said:

Ok, so I posted this in my edit thread (since it's a part of my fanedits of EP2/EP3), but since this thread is about changing the fundamental nature of the Prequels, I thought it'd be a good idea to post this concept for the Count Dooku character:

- turn Dooku from an evil Sith Lord into a rebel Jedi fighting against the Republic to bring down the mysterious Darth Sidious.

 

Obi-Wan and Anakin VS Jedi Dooku - First Duel (EP2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmBR56ciP0U

Obi-Wan and Anakin VS Jedi Dooku - Second Duel (EP3)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dis36Z-I4iI

There is a lot to like here, while some people just don't like purple lightsabres, it creates the impression that before going off the rails (and Sith or not this Dooku is off the rails, he's killing Jedi when he doesn't need to, he could get into his ship with Obi-Wan and Anakin disabled with ease but goes in for the kill giving Anakin a chance to keep the duel going) Dooku held the same position on the council that Mace does.

When Anakin executes Dooku instead of securing his arrest he steps over the same line (not yet a Sith but no longer true to the precepts of the Jedi Order).

It's much more subtle than just having him a Sith Lord (though I could still see if Anakin didn't go to plan Palpatine would continue to work on him, thirteen years is a long time without a direct apprentice).

It would be nice to add this to the idea expressed some pages back of introducing Dooku as an outsider at the funeral of Qui-Gon (perhaps if he hadn't died at that point he might have joined Dooku or brought him back into the fold).

InfoDroid said:

No, that was you being a douche and it's been pissing me off for weeks and really turning me off to this forum lately, so I finally had to say something because you're doing it in almost EVERY thread!

I've replied to your posts in good humour and without feeling the need to call names, I don't even post on almost every thread so perhaps you have an exaggerated impression of what you perceive to be a problem here.

If you have a genuine concern about my conduct please refer it to a moderator or send me a PM but this is not a thread about moderating policy (I am not a moderator) it has a specific purpose laid down on the front page and I shall not comment any further along these lines in this space.

InfoDroid said:

BingoWings said: "I think it's important to remind everyone about the topic title.

 

vaderios has effectively showed us that at the very least TPM need a colour fix but this thread is really about ideas that may radically alter the prequels.

It's a spring board for editors who want to take the existing material and really shake it up, rather than just nibble at the edges.

Already there seems to be some moves in that direction with some new edits but I don't want us to lose focus on the mission statement.

Some of the colour changes are radical (when they set a very different mood) but the case for a clean up has been made here now."

 

 

 

 

Is this really necessary?  I for one was enjoying the screenshots Vaderios was posting.  It was an inspiration to me.  So why cut it off at the head?  What was it hurting?  It was generating excitement over what was possible with mere color correction of the Prequels.

That's just one example of many.  We also have him trying to police the board with this very thread.  But, BingoWings is not on trial here and I'm not the prosecution.  I simply wanted to bring his attention to it, because others might be offended and not speak up.  I'm not like that.

And no, not trying to "come out of the woodwork" to poison the forum here either.  That's laughable.  My reputation and history of participation here speaks for itself.

That thread is about ideas that radically shake up the prequels (as opposed to just making a few minor changes here and there) now colour correction is a great idea and one that Vaderios had made with great aplomb (as he always does, I could look at his work until the cows come home) but colour correction on it's own is not a radical change and the case for that was made, the examples he put up showed clearly that TPM was presented in a rosey hue which took away from the visuals so in that thread it was pretty much case proven.

Vaderios had posted (mostly on other threads) examples of colour alteration which went beyond just correcting the colour and changed the mood of the scene (which is a radical change).

That thread serves a purpose and I was trying to get that thread back on track (which isn't really something to worry a moderator about because no rules violations had happened there).

I started that thread with a mission statement and after a long period I specifically reminded those contibuting what it was.I conceed that, that is steering but it's steering contributors into applying their imaginations and skills to the purpose of that thread.

I think if someone starts a thread with a clear mission statement they have a degree of legitimate responsibility to remind contributors what it is without getting a moderator involved.

Which is why I posted the address of the rules thread because this isn't it.

InfoDroid said:

Oh, it's not just this thread, Bingo.  It's almost every thread.

But again, not trying to give you a hard time.  I'm sure you're sincere in your compulsion to help.  It's just that it can be a little off-putting sometimes and I want you to be aware of it.

Personally speaking, I don't need anyone telling me what I should or shouldn't be contributing to a thread unless I've violated the forum's rules somehow.  And in that case, it's a mod's responsibility to inform me of that.

 

If you could give me any examples that are markedly out of place with most of the other board users I'd be glad to discuss them with you.

Surely the Moderators are a place of last resort (when something has really got out of hand and turned nasty or really obstructive or something has been posted which could get the site closed down).

There are plenty of cries of "Stay on target" (and rarely from myself as I'm just as guilty of swerving as the rest of us here) when a thread goes west (as this one is at risk of doing).

On the whole people do moderate as a team and in a friendly fashion (sometimes warning people who have put up links which might breach the rules so they can be retracted before the moderators need to get involved...that sort of thing).

This thread is about letting people discuss what lengths fan edits can go to and what good they can do.

It's not about board policing policy (there is a thread about that already) http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Fan-edit-forum-rules-and-FAQ/topic/5950/

It's designed as a place where people who cover the broad spectrum of feeling from those that feel they shouldn't exist at all to those that feel that edits should practically remake the edited film can come and debate those points of view at whatever level they hold them.

I saw what I thought was a need for such a thread when I saw those opinions being voiced on a multitude of otherwise unrelated threads.

This is not intended as an organ for me to take control of these boards or tell people what to do.

On the contrary it's to allow people to say what they want to say in a space designed specifically for that task as opposed to throwing a comment in here and there where they might get lost in a thread not specifically related to debate the contributor was commenting in.

If you feel that's a negative contribution to this site, a place I hold very dear, I'm genuinely sorry to read that.

If this thread or any post I make elsewhere breaks any of the rules of this place inform me or a moderator and one way or another it will be brought back into the rules or removed.

I was under the impression that I was getting along fine with everyone here and to be honest this discussion has rather shook me up a bit and given me much of food for thought.

It's not my intension to be a nanny (not unless I get a dimensionally transcendental handbag and a flying umbrella), I saw what I thought was a need for a thread that wasn't there and put it there.

It's getting some use so it must be of some use (it would drop off the board if nobody used it).

InfoDroid said:

Well, I was just curious because I've been frequenting this board since around '04/'05 and haven't noticed you until fairly recently.  It just seems like you try to steer almost every thread toward your personal preference or your idea of what the discussion should consist of.  Your posts are worded somewhat authoritatively and can come across as dismissive (or worse) pushy, so I just wondered if you held some sort of official position here I wasn't aware of.  That's all.

Nah, I'm just British and optimistic so the authorative and pushy vibes you are picking up are a mixture of my cultural upbringing and giddy quixotism.

If I do try to steer it's hopefully towards keeping people being creative and reminding people of the subject heading of whatever thread I've wandered into but thankfully there isn't one steering wheel and as you point out I've only contributed about 680ish posts so I'm hardly a senior partner here.

Hopefully in my brief time on this site I've helped a few people get some ideas or fine tinker the ones they already have. I certainly hope I've never been dismissive (if I have I'd feel justifiably ashamed of myself if it was pointed out to me in black and white, or rather white and grey).

InfoDroid said:

Bingowings said:

Normally I'm against sectarianism in discussion threads but my attitude for this thread is bring it on (both sides) if only to keep it off the other threads.

 

 BingoWings, are you a mod?

I grew up in Brighton so being a Mod could have got me arrested a long time ago on a shingle beach far far away:

No I'm not a moderator but I've seen so many threads pulled off track by debates between people who clearly feel strongly one way or another about the whole fan edit thing that I thought it would make sense to give people a place to speak their brains without putting people off of putting up interesting and potentially useful ideas.

We have all been on discussion boards of one kind or another and seen little sectarian block wars (my games console is the best, my computer format is the best, SE is better than OUT, PT is better than OT, this film I haven't seen yet is going to SUK...no it isn't etc,etc) and they can be kind of fun but this is a creative place with a enough room for people of many points of view to work in.

So I thought it would best to have a place where people with different takes on how far fan-edits can go and how much good they can do can let off that steam and if that makes the work of the mods easier (as long as they aren't throwing deck chairs at rockers) that great too.

DarkFather said:

Poor guy is going to get radiation poisoning.

That reminds me of TFU, where you can use the Force to dangle Imperials in front of the Death Star beam and disintegrate them.

 

You can do similar tricks in Jedi Outcast in the multiplayer levels. Presumably gunner outfits offer more protection than those poor guys in ANH and who get filpped around in ROTJ. If someone were to do a true mockup there could be some kind of protective screen or forcefield to protect the workers.

If we have to have flip shots couldn't they be a bit more creative and show angles we have never seen before?

doubleofive said:

Doesn't help that Wicket seems to do all of the action in those movies.  If we splice him into RotJ, he'll get around the battle rather fast.

 I suppose he could be recoloured and become other Ewoks, for example the scenes of Wicket in the glider could be colour matched with the glider flyer in ROTJ.

Normally I'm against sectarianism in discussion threads but my attitude for this thread is bring it on (both sides) if only to keep it off the other threads.

Not really a mock-up more a proof of concept, but instead of having that laser going off at the side, it might be fun to see it go off over the heads of some of the gunners.

It would be very yes to have Husker in Episode Six.

It knocks spots off of some of mine.

Mockups are for illustrating ideas so it doesn't matter if they are a bit rough but that one looks pretty cool to me.

He looks like an A-wing pilot...mmm

BarBar Jinkx said:

that is one of the more well known gaffs

I've never heard of it before, not like this one :

Nice to see ESB remembered on this thread. The ideas here aren't just for the Revisited projects and now we have a few ideas of what won't be in ESB:R it makes sense to move some of those ideas that Ady won't be using over here for other editors to use.

Nice mock ups too.

Just as a vanity project (and it just popped up on the ESB:R thread).

If we stuck this guy :

in one of these suits :

just for a little shot it would be cool beyond words.

Well spotted Axia.

There's very little in Caravan Of Garbage that is useful other than, perhaps this shot :

Later on the beam does get more intense so it's only like that when it's building up but I see your point about the guys, wouldn't they be vapourised when the beam reached full strength anyway?

It's like that in ANH so I suppose it's too late to change it but does have to be exactly the same, with exactly the same guys, just flipped around?