vaderios said:Well it seems here is the most aproporiate place.
Now the light comes from back of the open hangar door
-Angel
It would be nice to see your animated matte idea here with the failing lights strobing and making the ice go from black/blue to white/blue and back again.
There's no stopping other editors from making a ROTJ:R Purist Edition (that is taking some elements from it but keeping the original story largely intact).
Just as there is nothing stopping people from making ANH:R or ESB:R Almost Completely Remade Editions (just as long as credit due is given).
We are all playing with the work of the original crews of these films so there is nothing stopping us from reworking each others work too.
I'm looking forward to a real shake up for ROTJ as in my view it's more in need of one than even TPM but the originals aren't going anywhere so there is no need to be precious about any edit.
I think we will all be thinking that far ahead all the way up to seeing ROTS:R but I doubt if we will get much in the way of answers for a long long time.
This isn't an exclusively Ady centred thread anyway.
It would be fun to come up with ideas of what could be done in a Vader suit so anyone with balls to make one and film it (including Ady) could have a look and see what appeals to them.
That's a game we can all enjoy but we are still putting up ideas for ESB:R which won't appear for another year so getting even concrete rumours about ROTS:R is a bit like mining for fossilised telephone sanitisers.
I doubt that George would go out of his way to target one actor, suffering from and doing a lot to raise money into findiing a cure for Prostate Cancer, just because of some yet to be proved theory that he was leaking plot details to the press.
That would be like saying Anthony Daniels and Kenny Baker don't get along.
Perhaps if George looked under the sofa cushions of his tiny $100,000,000 ranch he might find a bit of lose change he could send big Dave.
I was thinking more along these lines (the land masses and oceans spoil the gas giant look) :
InfoDroid said:I like that... :D
It would be hard though to get all of that exposition into the movie without either having a prologue which explains it or an entire crawl dedicated just to that.
It wouldn't have to be all explained a few hints in the crawl, a few comments in subtitles and a few visual cues like adjusting the Easter Island head things should be enough.
The rest could be filled in by the imagination of the audience.
Remember how much more fun the Clone Wars and Darth Vader's Jedi Purge looked when it was just a few words rolling around in your head?
The same could be going on here.
Lucas made a rich backstory in very broad strokes for the OT which added to the texture of the rather simple story of ANH.
When he did the prequels (basically fleshing out that back story) he should have replaced it with a backstory of it's own.
The few attempts aren't strong enough (we haven't a clue why the Sith want their revenge for example).
The only really interesting bauble in my view was the Darth Plagueis thing.
Giving Dooku a backstory and adding a backstory to the Naboo crisis would go someway to making the PT as enjoyable as the OT.
InfoDroid said:BingoWings,
That's an interesting idea about the Neimoidians being worshipped as gods...has a Stargate feel to it. It could work by using subtitles for Neimoidians and Gungans, but it would be tricky. How can that be developed and tied into the reason they're invading?
Alternate history time.
A longer time ago in a galaxy far far away....
The planet Naboo was home to the Gungans, a relatively primitive race.
The Neimoidian Federation was at war with humans who were expanding into their sphere of influence.
The Neimodians colonised the planet as a staging post during their war, the Gungans saw their advanced technology and believed them to be gods.
Eventually the humans drove the Neimodians off the planet and claiming it for themselves.
The Naboo and the Neimoidians later became members of the Republic but the defeat entered into the history books of the Neimodians and the resentment remained (it became a cultural yearning to reclaim the world even thousands of years later, there are plenty of real world examples).
The Gungans developed their own advanced culture along side but seperate from the Naboo, partially enhanced by studying technology left behind by their Gods.
Initially they resented the Naboo for driving their Gods away but thousands of years later the reasons for their resentment had largely been forgotten and developed more of a cultural flavour.
The Gungan religion remained but when the Neimodians returned the Gungans were too sophisticated a race to see them as their Gods of old.
Palpatine played on these ancient feuds to spark one side of his phony war.
If Nute Gunray could reclaim Naboo legally he would return home a strong leader who has returned a long lost province.
The Republic would be thrown into chaos because one member race has attacked another and the Senate has done very little to nothing to stop it.
The Trade Federation could even use the Gungans to legitimise their invasion, claiming falsely that they are a force of liberation returning the planet to it's indigenous people (which would give Jar-Jar more of a reason to be in the story).
Davnes you are definatly on a roll at the moment lovely stuff.
I still think a blue/green ringed gas giant like Uranus or Neptune would be a better contrast with Yavin (and less like Saturn which is what usually springs to mind when people think of ringed planets) but that's just my personal preference.
Keep up the good work.
I think you mean the ones doubleofive posted which explains my confusion.
The picture is more crisp in the 2004 DVD because it had an extensive restoration done on it and was digitally remastered specifically for the DVD format but the colour has some of (but not quite as bad) the tinting that made weird all the SE DVD sets and then there is Vader's pink sabre (the most pink in ROTJ) and all the sound problems.
If the OUT had been restored to the same degree and remastered and presented well (instead of being essentially a LD transfer) I imagine it wouldn't have got the GOUT moniker.
Even then it should have been in the 2004 box set and the SE discs should have been treated with more care and given a proper sound mix but then if we had that I imagine that some of the creative people on here wouldn't have hung around for so long and newer people like myself wouldn't have joined on.
So George when he does something wrong still does some good, from a certain point of view.
Sluggo I think colour stripe should return, it would be the easiest way to make the shuttles look different from each other (though I think what with Palpatine replacing the blue guard with the red, the stripe should be red to reflect this colour scheme).
I've never heard of this factoid before and I suppose I was hypnotised into not noticing the matte missmatch so thanks for pointing it out.
Now I have an whole new Doh! moment to notice when watch Jedi ;-)
oh_riginal said:Bingowings said:The problem is that to see it that big they would have to be between galaxies or the other galaxy would have to be colliding with theirs (which would make it visable in almost every shot in the saga) or very, very big (which would have the same effect).
We can only see Andromeda in detail in those nice photographs through looking through a very powerful telescope.
Everywhere in our galaxy the view would be pretty much the same (though both our galaxy and it are moving together very quickly).
I don't get it... supposedly our sun is located in one of the spiral arms of the Milky Way, right? Yet when we look around us (to the sky naturally) we do not see the arm we are in, or the rest of the galaxy... well, technically we do I suppose, but we don't SEE it, if you know what I mean.
So if we are not able to see the galaxy around us, how would it be at all possible to see ANOTHER galaxy? Telescopes see differently than the naked eye, right? Am I wrong about that? I don't know.
So... I'm just gonna go with the idea that the image shown in the background as the Falcon flies by is a forming star, nothing more. Though an updated version could be cool either way.
Andromeda is 2.5million light years away so it will look roughly like this:
wherever you are in our galaxy (unless you have a telescope). The reason why you might not see the galaxy we are in may be light polution, most humans through our history have been able to see it (it's why the galaxy we are in is called The Milky Way it looks like a splash of milk across the sky if the sky is dark enough) here it is from Death Valley:
Here are two mock ups I did in the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread showing an accretion disk instead (not up to vaderios' standards) :
As for the object in ESB being the Rishi Maze it seems a bit odd to me that the Rebels, after suffering such a defeat, would hide in what must by then be one the most notoriously famous areas of space.
It's like a bunch of anti-American spies hanging out at Mount Rushmore, mmm...didn't Hitchcock do that one already ;-)
Asteroid-Man said:First 2:30 of the movie: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2MNTUWZWJust wanted to know what you guys think of the opening.
I assume I have to register because I can't see the code I have to enter.
teharri said:Is it just me or does the color on the 2004 dvd's actually look better than the original in this instance. I am referring to the images from Bingowings above.
Which images are do you mean teharri?
"May I suggest a new strategy...Artoo let the humans win" :
Now you know why GOUT ain't OOUT (or at least one of many reasons).
The problem is that to see it that big they would have to be between galaxies or the other galaxy would have to be colliding with theirs (which would make it visable in almost every shot in the saga) or very, very big (which would have the same effect).
We can only see Andromeda in detail in those nice photographs through looking through a very powerful telescope.
Everywhere in our galaxy the view would be pretty much the same (though both our galaxy and it are moving together very quickly).
He's heading from that small moon.
Something like this too:
Docta Nick said:The thing (whatever it is) at the end of esb always kinda botrhered me 2. maybe u should just change it to a regular star..idk just an idea
That is what I was sort of suggesting.
Only rather than just a star, make it a very young star with an accretion disk of proto planetary matter around it.
That way we can keep the basic spiral shape of the original shot, keep the characters in their galaxy and even get a nice pretty glow from the star into the bargain.
Everybody wins.
Something like this :
Monroville I would like to direct you to this related conversation over on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread (starts near the bottom).
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/ESB-and-ROTJ-Wishlist/topic/8826/page/51/
I would have posted it here if those images came here first.
EyeShotFirst said:Damn so that means I cant write my graphic novel. Boba Fett vs. Predator. LOL
You can write it but you'd need a Star Trek cliche to get them together ;-)
Sluggo said:Bingowings said:It has been speculated that the Falcon isn't flying towards isn't a galaxy (as all of the story takes place inside the Star Wars galaxy and travel between galaxies would require technology beyond even that shown in the saga, not something that concerns me much as I don't feel Star Wars is science fiction).
It may be an accretion disks around a young star (something that doesn't really match the current image or your lovely new one both of which look like spiral galaxies).
It might be nice to experiment with images of what accretion disks might look like (some look very pretty and there are a lot out there if you do a search) :
It has never really bothered me that perhaps the rebel fleet was hiding outside of the galaxy at the end of ESB. I think the final shots could use a little punching up, but nothing too drastic.
It depends on how science fictiony you feel Star Wars to be.
If it's pure fantasy that's fine but sort of doesn't make much narrative sense because if the Rebels can hop in and out of their galaxy why bother building bases?
The spaces outside their galaxy would be huge, imagine that looking for the Rebels in their galaxy was like looking for one person in a major city, looking for them at that distance from their galaxy would be like looking for one person in a city the size of our entire solar system.
The Imperials wouldn't stand a chance of finding them.
In terms of Science Fiction, Proxima Centauri (the nearest star to our own) is 4.2 light years away, a long distance but with the technology shown in Star Wars a short hop, Andromeda (the nearest spiral galaxy) is 2.5 million light years away to see it the way we see the object out of that window we would need to be half way there.
Even with Star Wars style technology it would take aeons to get to that point and aeons to get back.
I don't think Star Wars is science fiction but even as a fantasy it has to make sense within it's fantasy realm and an accretion disk would look similar (in many ways nicer because of the glow coming from the young star) and make sense both as in a fantasic and in a science fictiony manner (making both sets of fans happy).
Post no longer necessary
It has been speculated that the Falcon isn't flying towards isn't a galaxy (as all of the story takes place inside the Star Wars galaxy and travel between galaxies would require technology beyond even that shown in the saga, not something that concerns me much as I don't feel Star Wars is science fiction).
It may be an accretion disks around a young star (something that doesn't really match the current image or your lovely new one both of which look like spiral galaxies).
It might be nice to experiment with images of what accretion disks might look like (some look very pretty and there are a lot out there if you do a search) :
The in credits celebrations look really good Davnes, the idea itself I'm not keen on for the reasons I described earlier but you have done a good job proving the concept and some editors may want to go that way after seeing what you have done.
It's nice to see the overhead super laser in motion.
Between us we could do a mock-up matte with a protection screen of some sort or some kind of stucture around the gunners that fits's into the aspect ratio of the film.
Thanks for taking the time to put one of my ideas to the test.
That's what I love about logging on here, team work and community spirit.
Sevb32 said:They already did it! Just didn't release it yet.
They may well have already done it but I for one am not sure if I will be buying a blue ray player for a long while and going by the DVD set I'm not sure I will buy the same film again for the umpty thrumptieth time, possibly at a stupid inflated price and with the Ugnaughts replaced by cats wearing dog outfits waving turquoise laser toothpicks around in the latest round of George's attempt to capture his original vision and with everything tinted mauve this time.
The TPM puppet is an element (a really awful element) but while fiddling about doing something else I saw it starting to look a bit like Yoda so I posted a few pictures to see if it was just an accident or if anything could be done to save this very expensive mistake.
Clearly nothing can but it was worth a try especially seeing as we have no idea when this CGI Yoda will turn up and there are a lot of people who want to do edits of these films now (think of how many edits we may have missed if we waited on Lucas, would we be actually editing at if we waited on him long enough he might make the perfect Star Wars anyway, unlikely but possible).
We have no guarentee that the new CGI Yoda will work any more than the new Jabba in the DVD version of ANH did (same model as in TPM but colour and lighting way off and no solution to the tail stepping problem).
Just saying George is going to fix it if we buy yet another version of a film he should have got right the first time is no reason to be complacent.
I've been having a thought about the Trade Federation and the boring tax situation, Magnoliafan turned them into slave traders, but if a skilled artist manipulated those carved faces at the Gungan sacred place there could be another reason for them wanting the planet.
Something like this (only better):
Now it's more of a case of wanting it back rather than just wanting it.
They could have colonised the planet a long time back when the Gungans were still a primitive race (something the Trade Federation still think they are) only to be driven off by the Naboo. The Gungans religion could have started off as a Cargo Cult worshiping the Neimodians as Gods, later as they became a sophisticated race they still believed in the Gods but didn't recognise the Trade Federation as being them:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult
It would explain such practises as life debts if their Gods were really business obsessed bureaucrats and there are many regions on our planet which nations argue they have a legitmate claim to even though they haven't held that area for centuries.