Sorry but I couldn't resist the temptation of the off topic side :
As I suggested back on page one the only way I can think of making the Jabba scene work is by changing the subtitles so he says something new (and if Jabba was colour and light corrected and someone sorted out that bleedin tail).
Harrison is very good in the scene and having Boba in there adds a certain something (it's a pain that Lucas seems to have Fett as more of an henchman to Jabba in ROTJ which in the round is compounded by his appearence here but....) away from that it's like he was saying "Ok you've got your last chance but look what's waiting for you if you screw up this time".
That's a lot of ifs and buts for a little more charming rascal but perhaps someone could pull it off as a mini-project which could be inserted in to edits by those who want to.
When you see the deck burning that's real (a controlled fire on the physical set) but the explosion is very much a model.
Davnes007 the corvette sticking it to the man was great to be honest I never got to it on the first viewing I've been in a bit of a hurry today.
I'm sorry those who love it but the Sail barge explosion (in fact most of the model work on that sequence) is one of the things I hate the most about Jedi.
The full sized set they built was beautiful but the models just look like models (the OUT Sandcrawler model was more convincing to me) and the explosion was just awful with no weight or sense of scale at all.
Those production paintings really felt like a space opera version of a pirate film.
The other thing that always bugged me was that the pit of Carkoon was hardly a pit at all, more of a dent.
I'd love to see the sequence reworked.
EyeShotFirst said:I always thought christopher lee was scary enough. He was almost as good as dracula as gary oldman (shame the one with oldman had Keanu Reeves who sounded like he was stoned and then Wynona Ryder's clepto ass) Ahhhh it is a shame though Anthony Hopkins added another point to the good actor side of the cast.
Coppola's Dracula was an obscene joke, to have the nerve to stick Stoker's name to that silly film (all be it with some nice bits) was the final nail in the coffin of his reputation. Hopkins was terrible, he acted like he was suffering from concussion, shame really because if you stuck a white handle bar moustache on him he could have been a not bad Dracula. Oldman tried his best with a terrible script (at least he got the accent right but he wasn't Dracula.
The let down of being promised a faithful adaptation of the very filmable novel only to watch that hideous concoction was worse than TPM.
Lee got the nearest in Nachts, wenn Dracula erwacht : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Count_Dracula_(1970_film)
Even that made some large changes.
It could weaken the supporting structures so when the repulsor drives malfunction they can't support the weight of the upward pointing end.
It seemed to be a very large long distance cannon so firing it at short range (I'd imagine) might have a Thermite like effect (hot metal squirting out of the window slats...that sort of thing).
BarBar Jinkx said:1st of all Titanic 97 years gone last week RIP (we irish have a special place in our heart for the little ship)
2nd of all the titanic snapped in half due to her sheer size, the barge is tiny in comparison the explosions would have to be well placed & timed to be able to pull off that shot
The explosion is caused by the barge gun firing at the deck at close range so predicting the effect would require a full knowledge of how the gun worked and what was where in a craft we don't know about, it was certainly a heavy ship (not as heavy as the Titanic by any means) but it could sink that way if we wanted it to.
The explosion in the film as it stands is very boring, not very convincing and doesn't carry over the visual metaphor of it being a sailing ship in a sea of sand.
The sequence was meant to evoke pirate movies but for once George was a little too subtle with his evocation.
vaderios said:Thats why we must not have AT-ATs in Endor battle...
-Angel
The Multi-Troop Transports made easy work of trees in TPM so I don't see it as too much of a problem.
Maybe they could have a tree felling craft like the one that was very useful (and then suddenly not needed) in KOTCS.
Or perhaps some foot blades could solve the problem, if cars can have snow tires I can't see why an AT-AT wouldn't have forest feet or some kind of terrain modification (though clearly, the ankle joints would need to be modified in this mockup):
These are the same sort of feet that squashed a two man aircraft in ESB so between stomping and cutting and blasting they could have a good chance of clearing a path (it might help if there were some small ramming devices out the side to make sure trees didn't fall the wrong way).
Air support (something mysteriously absent from this battle).could clear paths as well.
Davnes007 said:Bingowings said:I was thinking about the Sail Barge explosion and how it could be made to look more like a maritme disaster.
Here's the bang we know so well :
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But it might look more Titanic if the loss of power and the force of the explosion made it tip up into the pit (a bit like a sinking ship):
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I tried to do a mock up of it snapping in half but I can't find enough photographic material to pull it off.
I threw together something that you might like...I think
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp27zx62zRE
After Effects would have been better to use, but I'm still a beginner with that.
I was trying to evoke this famous painting of the Titanic :
and mix it with the snapping in half we now know that happened.
To get it to work would require more model shots (the barge seems to be the least photographed model in the Star Wars universe screengrabs aren't much help and the physical set (which was beautiful is always photographed cluttered up by other people, models and the like).
It needs to tip back into the pit (with a nice groaning noise) with the nose pointing up and then snap in the middle and then explode.
It would be nice to see it fall from a different angle (like the truck flip in The Dark Knight).
I don't think it's doable with stills despite Davnes always watchable efforts.
Asteroid-Man said:Does anyone know the real names of ID, TJD and adywan?
To paraphrase the Joker, "Those ARE their real names" ;-)
I was thinking about the Sail Barge explosion and how it could be made to look more like a maritme disaster.
Here's the bang we know so well :
But it might look more Titanic if the loss of power and the force of the explosion made it tip up into the pit (a bit like a sinking ship):
I tried to do a mock up of it snapping in half but I can't find enough photographic material to pull it off.
I'd send the memo back further in time to 1979.
George you might not get this yet but the team you have here is ideal, trust them and don't get upset if they do things better than you could (take pride in the fact that you made that success possible) and take a bit of a break when this one is finished a whole year off and spend some quality time with your family.
Try and rescue your marriage but if you can't stay very close friends with Marcia and don't let Gary Kurtz and Lawrence Kasdan out of your sight (you need each other).
Let Kersh direct all of them, just come up with the basic story, give it to Tom Stoppard to write and direct something that isn't Star Wars from the money you are making.
Perhaps the original ending music would be more palatable if any allusion to it being an Ewok tune was removed.
During the celebration the Ewoks could play a very basic tribal tune with no vocal (but the same rhythmic structure) and then the orchestra and the choir could fade in.
One of the problems with the "Yub Nub" song (especially the film version which is very different from the album version) is the attempt at poetic beauty backfires into comedy.
What is attempted was to have the Ewoks sing their celebration song and the orchestra and choir (presumably representing the Galaxy and the audience take over) but it comes across as the Ewoks suddenly developing amazing choral skills (the Ewoks become Welsh).
If the Ewok singing was removed that effect might come across better but it would need someone skilled in music editing to try it.
Monroville is making a point about shot composition. I'm just distancing my rough and ready mock up from that branch of the discussion as it's being used outside the context for which it was posted.
I'm not in anyway upset I just don't think it's fitting to illustrate that point with an image I knocked out in a few minutes to serve a very different purpose (I don't agree with the point either so I'd prefer it if another image was used).
adywan said:Bingowings said:It's just a rough mockup (and not a very good one) it certainly doesn't look as good as the sequences Ady has put together (I put the thing together in about 20 minutes) it was put up to illustrate a point in the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread not to be presented as an alternative presentation style for a sequence which has had months of work put into it already.
I know the idea will not be in ESB:R but it so I put it on this thread because it's not exclusively an Ady thread.
I hope my digital scribblings will not be used to beat about the bush with the wrong end of the stick out of context.
no, i wasn't criticizing your mock-up in any way Bingowings. sorry if it came across that way
Oh it didn't I was just making it clear that I didn't endorse the context in which it was being used, especially as it took so little time to make and it doesn't move about for two and a bit hours in surround sound.
I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer I gave in another place.
It's just a rough mockup (and not a very good one) it certainly doesn't look as good as the sequences Ady has put together (I put the thing together in about 20 minutes) it was put up to illustrate a point in the ESB/ROTJ wishlist thread not to be presented as an alternative presentation style for a sequence which has had months of work put into it already.
I know the idea will not be in ESB:R but it so I put it on this thread because it's not exclusively an Ady thread.
I hope my digital scribblings will not be used to beat about the bush with the wrong end of the stick out of context.
I didn't have access to Angel's matte so I put in someone's holiday snap of Norway and used way too much glare (the leg is hiding someone waving at the camera).
shanerjedi said:And pulled out any Jedi ideas to add to the wishlist (it might also be cool to do the same for the prequel ideas).
I used to follow that thread years ago. Some really good stuff in there, but I get an error message when I go via your link.
I'll try manual. :D
I hope it's fixed now (there was an extra space in the link as I posted it).
I know Ady isn't going to do this with ESB:R but it would be nice to see the AT-ST's scouting for targets:
Veers was to play a major role in ROTJ so I think George and the gang might have had a rethink when they were brainstorming for ideas for the next film.
Veers was to be ordered to deliver Luke to Vader but Jejerrod (a Grand Moff and rival to Vader, a role that would become the inspiration for Xizor in Shadows Of The Empire) countermands the order and sends him to the Emperor instead. Vader chokes Jejerrod to death in response.
It might have been inspired by this Burlesque routine :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn43vAFDfRs
This one is also wonderful :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpuEoj4RZ38
Enter at your own risk (tassles are featured).
Docta Nick said:Gaffer Tape said:Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:Yeah! it's just a kid's show...
Come to think of it, this has always made me wonder... what exactly did the Empire do to them anyway? I mean, when we see Stormtroopers, they're usually just firing blaster rifles. They singe a little bit... but this? I mean, even Darth Vader walked away from a near lava dip in better condition than this!
O just showin kids the consequences of playing with matches. Either you set urself on fire or stormtroopers light up the living sh!@ inside you. Normal kids stuff
Receiving stolen goods, engaging in unregistered adoptions, restricting the ambition of potential conscripts, the Perps had it coming!
The Phantom Menace was a villain in Flash Gordon, the bubble screen the Trade Federation is straight out of the Buster Crabbe serials (including the sound) and the crawl in all Star Wars films is lifted from those serials.
Lucas wanted to make a series of films based on Flash Gordon in the seventies and when he couldn't get the rights he tried to write something in the same vein.
The result was ANH so presumably it was a nod to that heritage.
Contextually it refers to Sidious the allusive, something elsewhere that is manipulating everything from behind the scenes.
Nice impact there Davnes007 and at least it's more in scale than mine was.
If someone has the time it might be a good idea if someone dived into here :
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/The-legendary-Starkiller-Ranch-Thread/topic/3886/
And pulled out any Jedi ideas to add to the wishlist (it might also be cool to do the same for the prequel ideas).
If it proves too much I will attempt to do it myself (it looks a lot like hard work to me) ;-)
Janskeet said:Could somebody who has the GOUT post images of scenes from inside the Death Star in ANH, I know the pink tint was worst during the garbage compator scenes.
The screenshots thread has a lot of Death Star scene comparisons but not the trash compactor.
