Bingowings

I believe Return Of The Ewok was subject of a preservation project.

Adywan said :

no, i don't like the idea of adding a siren. the scene doesn't need it. he gave the announcement, which would have been heard city wide, so the need for a siren to signal the evacuation seems pointless.

I'm just worried about the shift workers who are having a kip while Lando delivers his announcement.

Bespin Worker 1: "Did I just hear the Baron warning us about the Imperials taking over the city?"

Bespin Worker 2: "Go back to sleep darling, it was just another one of those funky cheese nightmares"

Bespin Worker 1: "Did you put the cat out?"

Bespin Worker 2: "No! it's still burning in the oven" 

Bespin Worker 1: "I don't know I've got a bad feeling about this"

In every form of the Fan-O-Matic style reworking Luke is on Dagobah at the beginning of the story (his first scene is the death of Yoda) what order the scenes play out in is a matter of experimentation.

It appears I might be getting my (long mythical) new computer this week so ASAP I will try different combinations.

My instincts point to the Vader scene coming after Yoda confirms who he is as it serves as a reminder of the end of ESB but it may work out differently in the wash.

The most important aspect of the story is the Emperor/Vader thing but it doesn't hurt to remind the viewers, save Han and then go back to it.

Aunt Beru, the Sand people etc have nothing to do with the Death Star but they fill in a story where the Death Star has already been flagged up in the beginning.

The Wampa, Han's tiffs with Leia etc have nothing to do with Vader tracking down Luke but they don't get in the way of a story where that was flagged up in the beginning.

Also I suggested a few ways where the Jabba scenes could be tied into the main story (Vader having the planet watched to see if anyone attempts to save Solo, Fett selling the plans to the Rebels, Fett tipping Vader off that the Rebels are in the Palace etc).

The key advantage with starting Luke's end of the story on Dagobah is he is a fully trained Jedi (all be it still a crash course of about a year) by the time he faces the Emperor and tries to save his friends.

In the current set up he has had about a days worth of training from Ben and a few days from Yoda (presumably everything else was done via Ouija board) and Yoda just hangs on and dies a few miniutes into Luke's return visit.

Docta Nick said:

Something which someone may have said before or not, either way I think it's a good but nearly impossible idea. The stormtroopers on Endor, why are they in white clad armor? Shouldnt they have some camoflague on? I mean, the rebels have it, so should the empire. Also in ROTS they republic has camo, wouldn't they have brought to the empire? That was one of the only things I liked about ROTS, the camo armor, it accually made sense. They're not put into white clad armor suits in a jungle, they have camouflague. Now I know this is basically impossible to do, but it would be pretty cool to see in a mock-up or something. lol.

Angel did mockups of Stormies with clone style markings he might enjoy the challenge (hint,hint) ;-)

In that set up when Luke is saying "I can't do it alone" he is expressing doubts to Artoo over his ability to save everyone now that Leia has blown the plan rushing to save Han so Ben turns up to give him a bit of a pep talk but also to bring the story of his father's fall full circle.

The context changes the meaning of the line.

ben_danger said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knAtC8lxQJg

 

it has some clips in, but really bad quality. interesting material though!

For people mocking the mock ups on these threads just look at what Lucasfilm were using.

It's shows just how much commitment and skill is around here.

Now if only we could get hold of the original elements....

Actually this would have worked as a fine alternative explanation for the droid powerdown in TPM with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon getting on the droid command ship (instead of Anakin accidentally blowing it up) and having them fight Maul on the ship instead of in the Naboo power station.

SomethingStarWarsRelated said:

Bingowings said:

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands Threepio (who has been left with the Falcon) says something along the lines of "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

 

 This looks more promising!

But what do you mean: "Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience...." What dialouge?

He explains that Leia is his sister and Vader's daughter.

Anakin put his fear of losing Padme before his head and fell, Luke put his fear of losing his friends at Cloud City and almost falls, Leia is putting her fear of losing Han before everything and get's captured.

The family tree has more than strength in the Force running through it (something that is played up again when Vader uses it as a trigger to almost turn Luke).

vaderios said:

Monroville said:

Besides, you could still have the siren bit... <:)

That is a good idea ;)

 

-Angel

 

If Ady likes this idea, I'm currently playing Jedi Outcast and there is a nice Klaxon noise as the Doomgiver falls apart.

Sluggo said:

What state would that be?  Unreleased?  It is terrible.

Indeed! Once in a while Hyperspace (the online commercial organ of Lucasfilm) puts out a still image (for which members have to pay a subscription) we have a few grainy frames of the sandstorm scene, a few images of the Jejerrod choke (usually unearthed and presented by fans).

For that scene to be used in ESB:SE suggests that there is more in the vaults that we aren't allowed to see for some reason.

Even the deleted scenes from ANH have been reburied now that Behind The Magic is out of print (why weren't they on the DVD sets?) it's a joke really.

Some of these edit projects and indeed this site were set up to try and retrieve, reconstruct and preserve materials we should be able to buy on an official release but can't.

It would make sense to reconstruct it as a scene which other editors could futher play about with.

All the deleted scenes from ROTJ are in a terrible state and it would be good to have more footage out in the wild (even if it is reconstructed).

bigbaddaddyvader said:

I know this might be going back in the thread a bit but always remember Ady that if you're having any problems with the asteroid chase scene just film a couple of big ass spuds....that's what ILM did......lol

I think we can let ILM off the hook for that creative choice :

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/31/science/up-close-look-at-a-potato-shaped-space-rock.html

Davnes007 said:

rcb said:

Davnes007 said:

I know this is kind of out of the blue, but I started using Blender recently, and did a little test project.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnD18JWdkds

It's a stepping stone to bigger & better things. :)

 wat would it look like if u used the shuttle from ROTS since that's wat the emperor flew in.

But...this is footage of the Rebels landing on Endor...not the Emperor. o_O

 

Extra Fun: Vader's arrival at the Deathstar, alternate cut. (not CGI)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6PeAlUmgYM

It looks good I suggested some time back that the ESB SE footage be used to reconstruct this scene (if someone can find or emulate the right footage of Mr Hamill):

Sluggo said:

94 EXT. BUNKER

 

Han sneaks up behind the remaining Imperial scout, taps him on the shoulder and lets the scout chase him behind the bunker into the arms of the waiting Rebel strike team. Han returns to the front, and taps out a pattern on the bunker door's control panel.  Everyone stands out of sight, police-style, as the door opens.  Han and Leia peek inside. No sign of life. The group enters the bunker silently, leaving one lookout, disguised in the armor of a stripped Imperial Scout, behind.

 

 

95 INT. DEATH STAR MAIN DOCKING BAY

Vader's shuttle settles onto the docking bay of the Death Star. Luke and the Dark Lord emerge from the landing ramp with a small escort of stormtroopers, and walk rapidly across the cavern.

 

 

vaderios said:

sgdelta1771 said:

Regarding this:

*PIC*

I actually like the GOUT one better because the buildings in the background actually look like they're in the background and make Cloud City look like a big city... or maybe it's just the difference i nlighting and more blue in the shadows.  Is there any way to mix the refined backgrounds with the old ones to increase sense of perspective and size of Cloud City?

I said before that a daylight has slight yellow highlights and blue-cyan shadows. GOUT captures that perfectly and gives a weight to the scene.

 

Is just me or the CGI elements are not blending so well with the already mattes in the previous flyby shot?

 

-Angel

 

Could you give us a demonstration by adjusting the new version to these principles?

I'm always keen to learn new techniques and it may be useful for other people who read this thread.

Sevb32 said:

I don't see what you are saying at all. Those are the same background buildings from the original matte painting. The original has too much at the building left above Leia's window to have the skylights.

He's talking about the colour and texture balancing of the shot not the shape of Leia's building.

The original matte seemed more convincing because of the general merky quality of the whole film (as it was), now that it's cleaned up and colour corrected the matte's broad strokes are a bit more obvious which is sort of what I was trying to say with my earlier post, though I understand and accept the answer Ady gave me on this point.

Further to my comment earlier I've amended the haunted hut scenerio a bit.

When Luke lands, after completing his training on Dagobah, Threepio, who has been left with the Falcon, says something along the lines of , "Master Luke, I tried to stop them...."

To which he says something like "Oh no...Leia!". (I'm sure something along those lines can be sampled from other sources).

The Hut scene plays out in the evening as he has been planning his rescue plan for the rescue plan that's already gone wrong (he doubts if he can rescue them all alone now Leia has messed up the plan) and Ben turns up to deliver a bit of information which explains Leia's lack of patience....

This version would have to play now after Leia has been captured and Threepio wouldn't be able to warn Luke about the trapdoor because he hasn't seen it yet.

The basic idea may be a workable way of restoring certain elements of this lost scene :

doubleofive said:

corellian77 said:

shanerjedi said:

Do we really need a siren? He already gave the evacuation order. People are fleeing. We get it already.

Put Ric Olie in the shot then for cryin' out loud.

"Look, it's an evacuation and the people are leaving!"

LOL... I vote ady put Ric Olie into every scene of ESB:R from this point onward.

-- "That's Darth Vader, Luke's father... and look, he just lopped off his right hand."

I love Ric Olie!  I wish we could get that actor in to make an alternate audio track, like sometimes they have one for the blind.  I can't believe that he also plays the drugged-out stage manager in Wayne's World 2 though...

His Wayne's World character was meant to be Danny from Withnail And I (can you imagine Danny surviving through the seventies, let alone the eighties? If he did he would have come full circle by the nineties so that no drug on Earth could effect him).

Gaffer Tape said:

No need to say that.  I, for one, always welcome a good discussion.  I mean, this is a forum.  That's what we're supposed to do, right?

Don't get me wrong I love a good natter especially along these lines but this thread is about the Jabba plan as it currently stands, suggestions about how to change it in a fanedit (and other aspects of ROTJ) are for the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread.

And if you want chew the cud about these and other possible tinkerings please pop on over there, it's a lot of fun and creative too.

I just wanted to thank you for putting the video up here so I could add the points you raised there.

C3PX said:

The depths of problems like this are beyond fixing via editing. This is reconceptualize and rewrite level stuff. The problem with this whole fanedit craze is we decide that everything wrong with a twenty year old film can and should be fixed, and the end result is a hacked up film. Just take a look at all the ROTJ fanedits who tried to "fix" the Ewoks in Return of the Jedi by removing them...

Sometimes good enough ought to just be left alone. Fanedits work when you take something crappy in hopes of making it into something bearable (though this begs the question: what is the point?). But fanedits of decent or good movies is something hard for me to get my head around.

There are a lot of creative approaches to the Ewoks than just cutting them out (giving them more realistic facial movements, fleshing out their culture making them more like real alien people than cuddly teddy bears who take down the Empire without prior experience etc).

My personal bag with them is that they never feel real enough to believe in.

The idea of a shorter than average tribal community fighting along side the Rebels being the deciding factor in a ground battle is perfect (it shows that the Empire like it's leader underestimates the power of individuals and over estimates the power of it's technology).

The execution currently doesn't work but that possibly is fixable.

It's certainly worthy of discussion.

But I conceed not on this thread so I'll scuttle back from my little vacation away from the topic.

Ripplin said:

Perhaps add the Dubai skyline? It's getting wackier by the day! Heh. (some of the buildings are quite nice and interesting, though)

I wasn't suggesting going that far ;-)

I meant something more along the lines of (but as always better than) but I take what Ady says about matching the scenes up as said:

 For this mock-up I pinched from these two buildings and added more windows from the shot as it stands.

As always a dramatic improvement.

Removing the roof cage makes all the sense in the world but (switching on rod for your back mode) these buildings still look rather fake:

They might be improved a little by borrowing some detail inspiration from modern Arabic buildings like these (Bespin architects really don't like windows much which is weird seeing how nice the view is) :

Gaffer Tape said:

Well, I just can't ever let this thread die, can I?!  But I have a good reason for resurrecting it again.  I actually just finished editing together a video version of my original argument!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tlx2ItNLeFM

It's a bit premature for me to be posting this since it hasn't processed yet as of this writing, but I'm just too excited to wait.

Ooh, wait!  It's ready!

Thanks for posting that link, I've posted it on the ESB/ROTJ Wishlist thread because some of the points he brings up might be fixable in a re-edit project and it would be great to hear any suggestions in that direction over there.

Boomstick said: There is only one show I can think of that I would love to have on DVD and that's Rentaghost. I loved this. Downloaded files are OK but I'd rather have actual product.

http://www.play.com/DVD/DVD/4-/92657/-/Product.html?searchstring=Rentaghost&searchsource=0

Other DVD suppliers are available (possibly some that don't charge such silly prices).

Sadly the other seven series have been blocked from release for a variety of reasons, some beyond the BBC's control.

As for Max Headroom :

http://www.crazy4cartoons.com/about_maxheadroom.htm

No drama over here in pedant corner but the Death Star was a weapon, the prison was moved to the same location for story efficiency (remember when Lucas used to do that?).

I see it as a compliment and a boost to my tattered ego to steal even short term credit for any of Ben's ideas, especially ones as well implemented as this one ;-)

Jedi Dark Knight said:

right on the tick Shanerjedi, those where among the original ideas Lucas had, amomng the Death Star being Bespin instead of a moon-shapped station, Vader having a throne surrounded by fire, coruscant filled with piramids, wookies intead of ewoks (I would have gone with that one!), and the like.....the untold riches in the star wars that never was, hehe.

The Cloud City design was based on an Imperial prison design for ANH but the Death Star was always a metal moon.

I've been thinking about that youtube critique of Luke's plan to rescue Solo.

What if it's not exactly Luke's Plan.

Lando, (as the guy says) make's sense, he's the man on the inside, checking out the layout of the palace and to serve as backup if Leia doesn't succeed.

Chewie is a means to getting Leia into the palace by giving her disguise some validity.

So far this looks more like Leia's plan (something that Chewie and Lando would feel duty bound to go along with).

Artoo and Threepio seem to have wandered in from an entirely different plan (they carry Luke's message and Luke's hidden weapon).

What if Luke told Lando to use his charm and connections to check the place out and told the others to wait for him but when he turns up on Tatooine he finds his sister has the family trait of lack of patience when emotional attachment is involved.

Luke senses this while in Ben's Hut and has to figure out a rescue plan for the rescue plan.

I haven't a clue how to get this up on screen yet but I thought I'd just throw it out there in the hope that it would get the ball rolling.

Also I've never been convinced that Luke would fall for the old trap door routine, he isn't the farmboy of ANH anymore he's a Jedi Knight who managed to get away from being cornered by Vader so I just can't see him standing on the right spot to fall into a trap like that.

Dropping Oola down the trapdoor would be a good set up for twisting the expectations of the audience around.

It might be more fun if Luke avoided the trapdoor entirely (especially if it backfired on Jabba) but found some other way of getting into the Rancor Pit (perhaps while trying to get to the cells to free Han and Chewie).

Any other ideas and how to pull them off?