Bingowings

I watched it.
But as I hate franchises his argument didn’t wash with me.
As I mention in the comments I only like Raiders and the first 20mins of Indiana Jones and Incredibly Racist Movie of Doom as films because it’s the only time there seems to be something new going on. The Last Crusade is as not for me as Jedi and Crystal Skull is another PT movie.
Similarly I don’t enjoy the Terminator sequels or Aliens as much as I’m culturally obliged to because they are too parasitic on the first superior film.
Writing stories isn’t as difficult as people seem to make out and TFA has the advantage of having interesting well acted characters and a director that moves around a bit.
I’m fed up with references, it was bad when Chewie did the Tarzan thing in Jedi but it’s almost as bad when you get it happening in the same series.
Maybe I’m just getting too old for contemporary culture.
Television does this sort of thing so much better too.
I had moderate expectations of the film when I went in (after 3 PT films and Prometheus) but I came out feeling nothing much. I think I’ve been more energised about the film talking about it here than actually watching the thing.

SilverWook said:

He probably wasn’t expecting Han to try and confront him? Someone you haven’t spoken to in years might provoke that reaction.

I got the impression that the moment Han stepped onto the bridge he knew what was going to happen.
Ben/Ren is so conflicted that Han is willing to be killed just to take the pain away from his son.
He doesn’t take the weapon away or point it away from himself he lets it sit there. Han the cynic has made his peace with the universe and is doing whatever he can no matter how weird and twisted to make his son feel better. Which for me, reading it that way was a very sophisticated character interaction. Even if plot wise it’s Kenobi letting Vader kill him all over again.

Ben poked first

Originally computers were people who did scientific calculations, the modern use of the word is relatively recent : http://press.princeton.edu/titles/7999.html

The film was made to appeal to fans but it made for the shareholders of Disney.

The corporate model of how to appeal to brand loyalty doesn’t often manifest as good storytelling.
The best MCU stories have arguably been with lesser known superheroes which gave the adapters a freer hand.

Star Wars is very well known so a corporate entity like Disney will want to make sure all the appealing ingredients are there on view to lure customers to buy product, which can limit the film as a piece of art.

Such creations tend to feel like greatest hits medleys in concerts rather than great songs in their own right.

TV’s Frink said:

Interesting idea. I can’t see our heroes on the side with Death Stars, however.

Once the Empire had collapsed I doubt if the technology would go away and I doubt if our heroes would have much say.
Every galaxy would have it’s Project Paperclips.

It’s still to small scale a bit like the Jedi crawl.

The first paragraph shouldn’t be about characters at all.
It should set the political scene and then the military stakes.
The lead players should be mentioned in the second paragraph
and then the third should lead into the first scene of the movie.

I still can’t help but think the film would be so much more interesting if the First Order were the resistance against the Republic and the Republic had Death Stars.

The bad guys would be preaching their message of hate from a position of weakness and the good guys would overstep their ethical and moral responsibility leading to more converts.

Hollywood could do with making that sort of film at the moment and it’s a combination we haven’t seen in a Star Wars trilogy so far.

Delicieuxz said:

Bingowings said:

The Triumph of The Will is a quoted inspiration for that composition. The original source might send shivers up our spines but for patriotic Germans it may have felt good back then. Even the title A New Hope has fascistic undertones. Hitlerism plays with the same heroic language that mythology does. Star Wars is modern mythology.

None of that is Nazi imagery, trying to evoke feelings based on expressed association. The A New Hope shot posted above is not trying to instil audience feeling by conjuring up a known counterpart, particularly a beaten-do-death and low brow cheap fall-back one, such as Nazi imagery in serious fiction.

I’m not sure if English is your first language but that is what I said. The imagery used in the Throne Room scene is meant to evoke the original intent of the Triumph of the Will composition, that of heroism and triumph not the feelings associated with Nazism. The Imperial uniforms and Jack Boots and even to some extent Vader’s helmet is supposed to remind us of Nazis.

I’m all for associating Nazism with evil. I think culture needs a bit of a reminder now and then but bear in mind the Nazis themselves pinched from Ancient Rome and even more Ancient India for some of it’s iconography and so did the first order and movies about both.

I am very old you know. 😄

In the AOTC blooper reel there is a clip where Hayden is on the refugee ship set with Nat Portman. He burns his lip on the soup and says, “Ow that’s hot!” You might be able to extract it and use if for when he is on fire.

Laserschwert said:

Always loved this one:

He’ll go blind again. Don’t stare.

Ax3=clonecloneHan.

After Leia gives out the medals Chewie holds up a glowing plasma bomb and in the voice of Brian Blessed calls out "PEACE!

Back in 1977 most of the middle aged cast and crew would have had a WW2 experience, particularly the British crew. It would have been more obvious to them than us lot. As I say it only makes us feel uneasy because we know what the people who commissioned the original film were up to. The original shot wasn’t designed to provoke disgust but awe and heroism. Lucas reclaimed that for the good guys. In ROTJ and AOTC the same sort of imagery was used to evoke the fascism that used the imagery in our past. It"s a shame Chewie didn’t hold up a giant plasma bomb at the end as a simple of peace though 😄

The Triumph of The Will is a quoted inspiration for that composition. The original source might send shivers up our spines but for patriotic Germans it may have felt good back then. Even the title A New Hope has fascistic undertones. Hitlerism plays with the same heroic language that mythology does. Star Wars is modern mythology.

Like I said earlier we don’t do jokes about poking. It will come against rigid resistance.

What if Luke taught Han to come back as a ghost to haunt Kylo.
That way his death would be another annoying callback to the original trilogy but he still could redeem his son from beyond the grave.
Han and Leia might know his death would be necessary to break through Supreme Leader Snoop’s influence.
These next films are meant to be weird right?
Ghost Han is kind of weird (sort of silly too).

InfoDroid said:

Han could be killed when the charges blow at the bunker.  He could be swept up in the explosion that seems to level several city blocks.

He could fall into the shield reactor and in revenge Chewie could shoot the guards protecting it and detonate the charges on the dish… … …

cough Leia cough (remember you read it here first http://originaltrilogy.com/topic/SAVE-LANDO/id/10311/page/2)

There is a deleted scene in my life where I am forced to listen to Carrie Henn’s screaming and awkward line delivery which perfectly explains why I love the opening sequence to Alien 3 😄

I like those sorts of scenes too because it makes the fiction feel less fictional.
But then I here Padme use the word “kids” and it just doesn’t sit because it’s too informal for a former monarch.
I guess I’ve just hung around too many queens, alien and otherwise.

Does anyone think Disney will do a theatrical release of an extended edition on the build up to Episode VIII and then double dip the home releases?

This forum doesn’t do penis jokes, It’s bigger than that.

I thought it was blue and gold???

Why would the military of an evil tyrannical empire frame a bunch of nomadic desert dwelling natives for the massacre of a farmer, his wife and a local salvage business?

Dunno?

Some conspiracy nut would probably start yapping some crazy talk about top secret weapon plans or something.

Another thought is that Snoke is actually Maz Kanata.
She confesses to knowing the Force but not being a Jedi.
Sets Rey on her path to finding Luke.
She could be a sort of dark version of Yoda.
The old small figure who is really powerful and wise but also a bit wicked.